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System, racism, left, anomalies, election, Maricopa County, lawsuit, audit, Massachusetts, movement, vaccines, mit, infrastructure, freedom.
Kristi Leigh, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai
Kristi Leigh 00:00
The Maricopa County Election audit saga continues. So joining me today is Dr. Shiva do Ray. He holds four degrees from MIT, and is also a world renowned systems scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, perhaps best known for inventing email, but most recently garnering attention for his involvement in the election audit there in Maricopa County. Thanks for joining me on K li m dot news, Dr. Shiva. And please tell me what’s the latest with this because it seems like an ongoing saga?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:37
Well, the latest is that, you know, on September 24, just to review is when I presented my findings, from analyzing the images of the early voting ballot envelopes, right, the return envelopes. We present that on September 24.
And then after that, the Attorney General has asked us to submit some more evidence which we’re frankly doing today. So it’s going to move to the attorney general who appears to want to conduct an investigation. So remember, the ruling of something being fraud, quote, unquote, fraud is not what the Senate does, right?
The Senate and the House, in Arizona passed laws, but is the Enforcement Division, which is the Attorney General’s Office, which is one that’s going to decide if something’s broad, and people need to be you know, prosecuted, etc. So that’s where it’s moving to. And we’ve been asked to provide some more evidence for that. So that’s what the status is.
Kristi Leigh 01:32
Okay. And then you actually have an event. Are you still planning on having an event on Thursday?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 01:38
Tomorrow? Yeah, so one of the things, you know, that we have been really trying to educate people on, and, frankly, educate everyone on because this issue of election integrity, you have to understand Republicans have been using what I call the squishiness, or the arbitrary nature of these systems to, you know, you know, do election malfeasance against other Republicans, Democrats have been doing it against Democrats, Democrats have been doing it Republicans, Republicans have been doing it against Democrats.
This is systemic. And that’s what people need to understand the issues that we’re dealing with, they’re looking at systems in the modern world, we have engineering systems. So for example, the airplane system, right, the health care system, and you go on the election voting system is a complex system.
And if you think about it very simply, if you were in the business of making cookies, right, you know, and you look at a cookie manufacturing plant, the, you know, flour, and the chocolate chips come in and one end, and it goes through a process.
And at the end of it, you get cookies. Now, if there’s something wrong with the cookies, simply just looking at the cookies at the end of the process doesn’t solve it, you have to go way upstream into that process. Where did the flour come from?
Where did the chocolate chips come from? Right? How are they processed? This is fundamentally calls. This is fundamentally called a engineering system. And the modern world is composed of all the systems that we as humans rely on.
And if in any one of those processes, something is not correctly managed, if something’s not transparent, if you frankly, but don’t don’t know what the process is, that’s where quote unquote, fraud can take place. And what we’re noticing here is we looked at the process of when a early voting ballot envelopes, let’s say comes to you, you sign it, put your ballot and you send it back, then it starts this process. It’s called the early voting ballot processing process, right?
Where people are getting all these early voting ballots, the envelopes are first scanned. And then after they’re scanned, people are looking at the signature on the cover of that envelope and then deciding does that signature match what they have on file? And if it’s blank, and they go through this process, what’s a very complicated process?
The interesting thing is this process is not really fully transparent. So when we found different anomalies in this process, right, we raise questions whenever accused anyone, if you remember that the hearing that I gave, there was no accusations. We sit here anomalies. And we just want to know answers. The response.
Unfortunately, the culture of response by the Maricopa county officials and through their media proxies has been not to really have a transparent dialogue. So this Thursday, from 12 to 4pm, Eastern Standard Time, you know, on behalf of the public, we’re going to essentially discuss everything that’s public.
You know, I have a right to discuss everything that’s in the in the public stage here, which is all the reports we filed. Any of the information we’ve shared publicly and is basically to invite the Maricopa county officials to a dialogue to say, hey, look, I’m going to do the audit. You are the person who can answer this. Let’s have an open dialogue.
So we’ve done it as an open forum. I’m not sure if they’ll come but perhaps other election election officials will come. So this left right divide It is really unfortunate, because it’s never going to solve a systems problem. So, tomorrow, Thursday, I think it’s October 14 12 to 4pm.
People can watch it on my YouTube or my Facebook will have a call in where people can we’ll go over all the anomalies. It’s for press, it’s for the public, it’s for the Maricopa county officials. It’s basically to say, let’s move beyond vitriol and controversy and partisanship have dialogue.
Kristi Leigh 05:27
And that’s the biggest pushback you get with this is people have tried to squash it. Definitely the mainstream media said, All this audit did was proved that Biden won. And it’s been so divisive in that manner. But what I found interesting and reading up on this is, you say you didn’t even vote for Donald Trump in 2020. And that this is just to have to follow the books to follow the rule of law that we have in place.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 05:53
Yeah, in fact, I critique Trump, you know, I never first of all, I’ve never been ever voted in the electoral process, even though I’ve been a US citizen since 1981. never voted, because I didn’t believe in the left, right narrative.
I was an activist, I mean, I put that into one of the documents, or I’ve been a ground activist, you know, organizing people to, you know, did the anti war protests, organized food service workers who I was a student at MIT, you know, expose corruption in academia.
So I’ve been a fighter, but I never believed in the two party system, the first time I ever voted was because Trump’s rhetoric and his, you know, uncompromising attack was what inspired me. But during his presidency, and after I had some serious issues, you know, nothing happened to Hillary, for example, right?
We did operation warp speed, in spite of, you know, the many communications we had with the White House about Fauci. We know, he did say, to tell some of these very, you know, close supporters that he’d walked with them to the Capitol, and then he drove off, and people got killed, and in fact that people did get locked up where his supporters, so I brought up these contradictions, you know, not in any malevolent way.
But to state that, you have to address the fact that if you’re going to go after the establishment, you can’t really compromise and you have to surround yourself with those people who actually want to go, you know, do the right thing. And I don’t think that occurred in those four years. In my view, what occurred was that we allowed, you know, various parts of the establishment to actually get even stronger. And that’s why Biden was able to come in and execute all the vaccine mandates and those things.
So I’ve been critical. That’s why I didn’t vote in 2020. But I did vote in 2016. And as a scientist, and as an engineer, my intention is to always find what the truth is. And the system’s approach is the way you do it. You know, every Monday evenings, we started a whole way of teaching people this if people go to truth, freedom, health, calm, we have now 60,000 People all over the world.
We’re recognizing not only the United States, but we need to go beyond this left, right paradigm. So there’s an approach to train people on this. And it’s called an engineering systems approach, we start looking at the world as a system. There’s a science to it.
And that’s why when you look at these election systems, it’s not left or right. There’s an engineering process here. And if the election officials in this country, were the ones who ran, let’s say the airport systems, we’d have planes falling out of the sky, probably every other day, because they don’t really have to follow a process. It’s all very squishy and arbitrary.
Kristi Leigh 08:39
But to that end, there is a system and there’s actually laws on the books to protect the vote to protect people’s vote, many that seem unaware of the right to do an audit. Did you want to talk about that? Because we’ve heard a lot of people say, Oh, just even questioning. Our vote is on American. Did you want to speak on that?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 09:00
Yeah. So one of the things you know, I was scheduled to speak at the house and they had someone else go, which is fine. But when most of these congressmen do not even know the law, the law 52 USC 20701, which is passed around 50 years ago, by the way by a Democratic majority, was to encourage audits.
52 USC 20701 says, The 22 months after an election is when Americans are encouraged to audit things encouraged to bring up questions encouraged to bring up anomalies. That is what the law was set for. So when this guy Ro Khanna was asking the question, you know that it was unAmerican to essentially run an audit isn’t what he’s talking about.
He’s a Yale is a Yale Juris Doctor. So he’s sort of either dumb or he basically doesn’t understand the law or both. But the reality is that the laws on the books are to encourage every American citizen to Bring up anomalies like we did in our audits, you know, it’s small or large and significant, or monumental.
Because when you bring up anomalies, you know, I run a couple of companies, when customers call us saying, hey, our technology is not working, we don’t say you’re a conspiracy theorist, we don’t say you’re, you’re an anti Vaxxer, we don’t You don’t call them names, we say thank you, we’ll go look into it.
Some of it may be stupid, some of it may be right on target. Sometimes it’s something really small, that leads to a larger problem, which we go solve. In business, you have to solve these problems, otherwise, you’re gonna be out of business.
But these guys, these unelected officials, many of them who they are, think that they can violate engineering principles, which is when someone reports something, it is your job to have a culture of embracing it, thanking people and going and finding out what it is and transparently answering it. So 52 USC 2071 was set up to support that engineering process.
Kristi Leigh 10:54
Now, speaking of calling names, I know that you’ve endured a lot of personal attacks. But then I found it interesting that in your response to some of those personal attacks, you threw out that some people are being racist, which got a little bit of heat in and of itself. Do you want to expand on that or explain that?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 11:12
Yeah, it’s very important to discuss racism, you say, for far too long, the left has had an a Gemini and Gemini on the discussion of race. So let me explain my definition of racism, which is really the accurate definition. You see what happened is that the right the Republicans denying racism exists, all right. So that has created a vacuum for the left to own racism.
And so their definition of racism is very narrow. For example, if you use the N word, or if you oppose affirmative action, you must be a racist you following what I’m saying? So they have engineered it, that they have bounded racism into a very, very small box. So there is a racism.
And the real racism is this is putting people into a box and saying, if you are black, then you must talk this way, speak this way be like this, if you are from a white person from the south, you must obviously hate black people, right?
If you’re an Indian, you must be moving your head from right to left and support Gandhi and not be an aggressive person and not expose corruption, for example, you say? So they put people into these boxes. And putting people into those boxes, what I call a segregationist box, is the real racism.
And the racism occurs specifically when people step out of that box. So I’ll give you an example. When I was at MIT, when I came there in 1981, I was on the front page for, you know, a note was there that I created the first email system and then I didn’t think much about it never promoted it.
Won a bunch of awards at MIT was on the front page of MIT when I won my Fulbright starting the first email management company and many other things. But when my materials from the invention of email went into the White House, appointed to the Smithsonian, it created a quote unquote, controversy, there is no controversy that created that controversy because I didn’t invent email while at MIT.
I invented it before I came to MIT, in the ghettos of Newark, New Jersey, in a small medical college in the center of Newark, New Jersey. So that reality was that all great innovations must come from this bastion of technology, MIT, and surely couldn’t come from somewhere else, you see, I stepped out of the box.
So in this case, we want to call out the quote unquote lefties the liberal elites for their racism because a guy like me, in their mind, and this, they’re real racists, a brown skinned Indian guy who’s highly educated, as all these degrees is accomplished is supposed to be a liberal Democrat. And I surely should not be doing an audit.
Right, that may expose the liberal elites that they may have done some malfeasance. So ROH Khanna, if you know that, Congressman, you know, he fits into that nice box. He’s a quote unquote, good Indian, but I’m not being a good Indian. And that’s really the subtext of these attacks, when they try to brand me as a conspiracy theorist, when they try to say he’s an anti Vaxxer.
You know, you try to brand people and you ignore the fact that they did go through the American dream did work hard and got all those accomplishments on their own. And that’s what they want to deny. You see, so if I had gotten all those accomplishments, and didn’t do election fraud analysis with all the skills I’ve gotten, then I’d be a good Indian.
But that’s really the subtext here. And so we need to have a discourse on racism in America, because the right wing and the Republicans have done a grave harm here by saying it doesn’t exist. So it’s created this unfortunate vacuum for the left to own it. And I’m saying that someone like like me, who has actually endured real racism and sees racism in a very different way? You know,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 15:07
we’ll talk about this Yes, you are racist when you brand, a guy who worked extremely hard earned all of his degrees, is a Fulbright Scholar, you know, has you know, done as accomplishments, and you try to just narrowly when you lead with that statement, and the way they brand you that saying, we’re going to lynch you publicly, quote, unquote, Lynch, you because you’ve stepped out of your box, that is a racism.
So I’m want people to raise their consciousness to recognize that the liberal elites in most of these liberal institutions who talk about racism are the real racists, because they want people to be in their nice little boxes and actually want to separate people. If you go to any of these universities, you’ll find out, there’s 100, you know, 300 different little clubs.
There’s the African Americans club, right? There’s a black students union. There’s the afro Students Union, there’s a Latin student, and there’s a Cubans. I mean, they’ve created a little club for every ethnic group right now. And they and they support that through funds and federal funds.
So if you truly cared about bringing people together, why are you creating so many different little boxes for everyone? So that’s the real racism, there is a racism. So that’s why in that attack, I said, this is not only misinformation, and disinformation, in my case, but it’s a racist smear campaign.
And I wanted to educate people on racism, and was fascinating when they said, you know, he’s crying racism, it’s fascinating, because typically, the, you know, the right will say that. So here’s the left, when I’m calling them out on the real racism, getting upset at that when they are the real racist.
Kristi Leigh 16:46
And to the end, before we move on from this subject, I wanted to get your thoughts on this, because you’ve said I’m not Republican, I’m not Democrat, I actually don’t like the two party system. I’ve actually said the same thing.
Multiple times, I don’t identify as either I truly don’t. But when it seems like whenever you are not, with the narrative with what is accepted by the media, they label you as right wing or Republican.
And we’ve even seen a long time classic liberals, like Glenn Greenwald, who is a homosexual classic liberal bit, all of a sudden being called right wing, we’ve seen Brett Weinstein being called or Weinstein being called a right wing. So what is going on with if you’re not Democrat? You’re all of a sudden, all the way over to the other side? What’s going on
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 17:41
with that? Yeah, I mean, I mean, one of the things we do is we we say, you need to go beyond left and right, what’s happened is the it’s neoliberalism. Okay, that’s been taught, and they in most of the large institutions, and, look, Noam Chomsky used to be a mentor of mine. Okay.
And I disagree with Noam on many, many things, because he’s become blindsided to this neoliberalism, even though he attacks neoliberalism. Because, you know, what’s happened is the the most of the university elites have fashioned what they believe, to be the right way of doing stuff. And the right way of doing stuff, is that the academic institutions are the ones that know best, right? We know better. Freedom should be suppressed under certain conditions, right?
It’s good to suppress certain kinds of knowledge. And so they’ve essentially gone against essentially the scientific method. So because once you do that, you can now start branding people, because now you become frankly, unscientific. So the process has been, first of all, what we discovered in my lawsuit in Massachusetts was we discovered the censorship infrastructure.
And that means you basically define what is acceptable discussion, this discourse, and what’s unacceptable discourse. So first, you contain freedom. And once you contain freedom, you can contain debate, and discourse, which means you can contain what is truth.
And so what we’ve done is we don’t practice the scientific method, which is you throw out a bunch of ideas, you have to validate it in the marketplace of ideas. So once you limit that you go to what’s called scientific consensus now, and that is how academia has become a bunch of people say, yes, the sun goes around the Earth. Yep, that’s true. Doesn’t matter that you have evidence that’s false, right?
Yes, co2, is what we need to lower and that’ll save the world environment. Yes, you know, everyone needs to get the same job, and then you’re going to be cured of all types of immune issues, right? So we’ve created this very reductionist view.
And this has come as a result of the scientific method being annihilated, which resulted from freedom from censorship being enforced. And all of this started at the major elite institutions. And the reason this is this Happiness because of fundamentally capital flow.
So if you look at any of these areas, be it Big Pharma, right? Be education, be it any of these things, there’s immense amount of capital involved. And they need to control certain narratives. So they can sell, frankly a product that can monopolize, ultimately a product or a service. So it’s ultimately related to money.
Kristi Leigh 20:21
And going, I want to get more into that in a minute. But I wanted to get back to the election thing. This isn’t the first time you’ve come into election issues. Didn’t you have your own personal lawsuit with election integrity when you ran for federal Senate?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 20:38
Yeah, I would say that it is our work in Massachusetts, which then dovetail to the work we did for the Trump election, which really started, frankly, a lot of the movement here for the real movement for election integrity, that movement for election integrity has been typically again, owned by the left for 2030 years, and they’ve essentially destroyed it.
So we came, we were the New Kids on the Block. And it was personal Lee, what occurred to me in Massachusetts, you know, we ran for office as a Republican in the Massachusetts GOP, which is a highly highly corrupt organization. We had 3000 volunteers on the ground 20,000, lawn signs, 10,000 bumper stickers, we raised $2 million, which is a lot for primary.
And the Massachusetts GOP ran a person against us who no one even knew. So the word on the street was we won that by a landslide. I mean, you couldn’t get around Massachusetts without knowing who Dr. Shiva was. So when the results came in on September 1 2020, it turns out in the hand counted primarily hand counted County, Franklin County, we won by 10 points.
And in every other county that was machine counted, we win, we lose 6040 6040 6040 6042, a guy No one even knew he didn’t have any lawn signs out there. No, no campaign. So that’s when I realized that something seriously wrong is going on in this country that began my journey to using all the engineering skills, I have to understand the voting systems.
We filed our lawsuit, where we found out that my votes were flipped. We showed that mathematically but then more importantly, what occurred was when I started sharing this on social media, I had close to 360,000 Twitter followers.
We expose at the state election director, Massachusetts in a series of email conversations, she’s admitting that she deleted ballot images, which are the images of the ballots, and she said, we don’t have to save them by Massachusetts law. So that’s false, because 52 USC 20701 for a federal election demands that you say them for 22 months.
So those email conversations I shared on social media, essentially implicating her of criminal violation. She then contacted Twitter, to what we discovered later in my lawsuit was a Twitter partnership, the governments of every government, local and state government have a partnership with Twitter, which is what our lawsuit uncovered, and they use that partnership to silence a US Senate candidate.
Think about what I’m saying political speech is the highest form of protection. We moved our campaign to tour to the general election as a write in campaign I was still a bonafide candidate. And the state election director of Massachusetts contacted Twitter through their portal through their VVIP portal to shut down a US Senate candidate.
Well, we got all the terms of our TR o went into a full blown lawsuit. Twitter was brought into the lawsuit, the judge had me bring Twitter and by the way, I filed a lawsuit all by myself, no swamp lawyer in Massachusetts wanted to take it on. So it was me against seven lawyers on May 20.
In that lawsuit we exposed we discovered what are called the playbooks which people go to win back freedom calm, they can find those playbooks documents, which show that the government has created a recipe a user’s manual for how state and local officials will silence anyone, any American who even says that they are corrupt. Okay. So we expose that in court. The judge was freaked out.
He said, This lawsuit will be taught in every constitutional law class. And then he’s the one who recommended a lawyer. And, you know, seven weeks into this, we found out the lawyer who we got, did not want to go after the Ricoh conspiracy we just got he just wanted me to go back on Twitter and walk on my way.
But we discovered so much through those playbooks and the long fuse report, which was done at Stanford, which showed that I was being surveilled since 2020, along with five other people, including Trump, Breitbart in Gateway Pundit, James O’Keefe, and one other person, so it got too hot even for the judge to handle and the judge sealed our lawsuit.
That’s what happened. And we didn’t want to just be on Twitter and we said, forget that. I’m not going to give you guys the victory to say you put me back on Twitter and therefore everything resolved. I said, I’m walking away. But we are going to expose a larger issue that we don’t have the First Amendment in this country. It’s gone.
And Tucker Carlson didn’t talk about in fact, Glenn Greenwald then talk about it. So it’s almost as though there are sort of the grifter. People are now recognizing that they need to go beyond left and right. Tucker Carlson is one of the most awful people in this because he’s part of the not so obvious establishment, Tucker watches which way the, you know, the wind blows, he’s too little too late.
You know, in fact, this whole thing with the vaccine issue, when you really look at it, you know, I was the first one from a scientific basis to expose Fauci. And the guy’s a complete charlatan, he will it has been around through administration after administration.
And the reality is, when you look at it from a scientific approach, you know, my PhD is in Biological Engineering, the guy knows nothing about the immune system.
In fact, all the policies that were enforcing are based on 100 year old model of the immune system. In 2019, I was asked to give the lecture at the National Science Foundation, invited lecture on the modern theory of the immune system, and everyone knows that the immune system is very complex.
But the bottom line is, what’s happened is, with the suppression of discourse, we now control science. So it’s scientific consensus, versus the scientific method. And that’s why when you annihilate freedom, when you annihilate science, you don’t really know what’s good for your health.
And when you have unhealthy people, they don’t have the strength to fight for freedom. That’s why you know, the movement that we create, announce a global movement, truth, freedom, health, our slogan is beyond left and right.
But every Monday evenings, we train people to really understand the system’s approach. There is a nuclear physics, there’s a science to understanding how to build movements. And that science is what needs to be taught. Otherwise, people are going to be grifting all day.
Kristi Leigh 26:41
So my question is, is you’ve had the success of bringing evidence you’ve dug deep, you’ve been able to bring it forward, you’ve even won many lawsuits. How do you not get discouraged? Because from the outside? What’s it mean? Because nothing’s changing. Are we ever going to see anybody held accountable? So what is essence? What good is the
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 27:07
Yeah, Christie, the bottom line is this, that we know, change is gonna come from the legal system, the fundamental change, when you go into fundamentals of what’s going on with the censorship infrastructure we uncovered in our loss of when you go at the fundamentals of election malfeasance that we’ve uncovered.
When you go at the fundamental of the scientific establishment no longer serving science, we’re going down to root root root cause issues. And if you go back to history, root cause issues were never solved by lawsuits. They were never solved by legislation.
They were solved by something much more fundamental people’s movements, actual and to be specific, working people’s movements. In the 1800s. In 1886, for American workers were shot for basically fighting, not shot, they were hanged, because they fought for the eight hour workday in Haymarket Chicago.
Workers all over the world commemorated that as Mayday was not a communist holiday. It was an American, it was truly an commemoration of the American working class. By a late 1800s, early 1900s, there was what was called a great upheaval. And by the mid 1900s, that upheaval is what put a gun to the head of the establishment Democrats and Republicans, and they built infrastructure in this country.
That’s when we eliminated child labor. That’s when we started doing nutrition. That’s when we started building water systems and infrastructure. So it has been movements beyond left and right, beyond black and white working people uniting that has always created change.
You know, the, the Southwest Airline workers striking the construction workers in in Australia, who spit on their own unions and broke from them. That’s what it’s that’s where real change is going to happen. It’s not going to occur through elections.
Because the system is too swampy, it’s too deep, and will take way too long. It’s going to occur through people’s bottoms up movements. When working people strike when nurses don’t look, if the if the transportation workers in the United States, you know, only 15% are controlled by the Teamsters, the other 85% are small business owners truckers when they strike That’s power.
And that’s the kind of movement we need. Because the issues we’re dealing with are no longer little tweaks to the situation we’re dealing with fundamental issues of the scientific method has been obliterated. We’re dealing with the fundamental issue that the First Amendment has been obliterated, it’s gone.
And we’re dealing with the fundamental issue, that health is not based on getting healthy, as long as you have. You can profit from people’s unhealth we are never going to solve health. Pharmaceutical companies have been losing money for the last decade, Pfizer lost $25 billion. Their model of drug development is medieval.
They need vaccines. It’s actually much more simpler than any of the conspiracies stuff. Pharma is losing money. They’re losing a lot of money, pharmaceutical processes highly regulated, you can get sued vaccines. Thank you to Ted Kennedy and the Kennedys.
They’re not you can’t sue pharmaceutical companies. A vaccine is a biologic, it doesn’t need to go as much training 17% growth per year, pharmaceutical drugs $1 and investment, they’re only getting 1.8 cents back. So they’re not making money from pharmaceutical drugs. So they have to move to vaccines and these new modes, where they’re not regulated, and you can’t sue them.
Kristi Leigh 30:35
And then as far as the what’s happening, and seeing these things obliterated, I will say that the other side seems to have been much more organized, and much more passionate. And to the point that it seems like the other side that’s fighting for freedom is just constantly scrambling and playing whack a mole is what I feel like I’m doing all the time, even in my local government system. So how do we get organized? When I feel like we’re already five steps behind the organization and methods that the other side has been using?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 31:13
Well, the way we move forward as people need to go to the physics, you know, I spent 50 years understanding systems theory. I grew up in India when I was young, which had the caste system. So you’re looking at a person who’s the system scientists and under and has loved political theory.
So it was about 510 years ago, I put all this together into a curriculum to teach people how do we build a movement, movements are not just going to happen. Christie oppression oppresses. It’s not like you, you oppress people enough, they’re going to the world is going to change. It’s not how it works.
There is a physics there is a science, I may send you this video, or I may play it right now if you want. But there is a science of building a movement. And that science is the physics of how to build a movement, and it comes from system science.
So to all of your viewers, they should go to truth, freedom, health, comm and sign up. Because I used to teach this course at MIT, I’ve taught it all over the world. But we’ve congealed this course to teach people, that the principles that run your body as a system are the same principles that run this computer as a system that run election voting systems as a system that run the world.
And when people understand that, those concepts, which I’ve figured out how to educate people in less than about an hour, then people can have the foundational ideas and how to build a movement. So what we’ve done is we’ve actually created that curriculum, we have now 60,000 People all over the world who’ve been trained, and we’re creating leaders all over the world.
But the idea is we need to create a bottoms up movement that goes beyond left and right. And that movement has to be founded on recognizing that the world, the way the world changes is working people, people who make things, people who produce things, people who take care of others, when those people organize, and recognize that the power is in them.
That’s how the world changes. I mean, come on legislation, lobbyists in the United States, you know, the judges are bought and paid for? Do you really think anything foundational is going to happen on the foundational issues of our time? No way, we’re fooling ourselves.
Kristi Leigh 33:21
To that end, bringing it bringing it full circle? What is your prediction of what’s going to happen with what you found in Maricopa County? will anything be done about it? Will the Attorney General do anything about it? And will we see anything be done in any other state coming out of this?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 33:40
Well, look, tomorrow, you know, October 14, I’m holding, holding an open forum, you know, I, you know, do what I do to help advance the knowledge of people. That’s what came out of the Maricopa audit, the anomalies we found is moving to the Attorney General.
I’m not sure of all the dynamics there. So it’s hard for me to predict that that’s out of my control. But I will be here to give as much evidence as they need. But what I can do, and what you can do, and everyone listening is that we can go direct to people and educate people, you know, on the what we’ve done through our, the community that we’re building is, we’ve done these little cards and flyers per se, that people can print out.
We educate people. So we have people going on the ground neighbor to neighbor educating people, you know, I’ll be doing this forum tomorrow, inviting people independently. So we need to build independent movements with the right education, because we don’t know what politicians will do, right?
That’s out of our hands. There’s too many forces there. But let me tell you, this, you going and speaking to 10 neighbors, with the right basis of understanding systems beyond left and right, you can have a tremendous amount of impact. And my views if we get about 50,000 people worldwide understanding the science of systems and going beyond left or right and becoming educators that’s how the world is going to change.
You need a certain number of people who are highly conscious of these issues are willing to move beyond Republican and Democrat and left and right. I don’t mean to be independent. I mean, truly understanding on every one of these issues that physics here, if you take any one of these issues, masks, you know, the jobs, you know, racism, you know, workers wages, every one of those issues, every one of those issues has been split into a dialectic pro mask, anti Max rap, right pro Vax, anti bass.
Right? Pro racism, you know, I believe racism exists. racism doesn’t exist, pro union anti union. So the establishment has created these dialectics. But if you go beyond that, you find that on any one of these issues, is the actual problem that everyone can agree to.
So for example, mask and anti meta mask, or Vax and anti Vasque. You can argue with people and I have my position. But ultimately, everyone cares about public health. Right? We all want public health, then the issue comes once you identify the real problem does, does masks and vaccines get us to public health?
Well, when you really study history, find out we got to public health, through infrastructure, go back to the 1900s. It was water systems, it was nutrition, it was eliminating child labor. Massachusetts has an F minus minus and infrastructure by the American Society of Civil Engineers, the United States has a D. So you go to schools, they don’t even have the proper ventilation systems.
You’re telling people to wear masks and do all this other stuff, when you don’t, even when the infrastructure in the United States is completely decaying. And if you really want to solve public health, why don’t you go do that?
You can’t do that, because your politicians are all corrupt. So how do you actually get infrastructure, it’s going to come through a movement. So like this, every one of these issues we can trace to the real problem and the real solution and get beyond what I call the dialectic of left and right or pro or anti. I think it’s gonna come predication.
Kristi Leigh 36:58
Yeah. I think there’s so many people, that that really speaks to you. Because whether they are on one side or the other, they see that this is a problem that there even is just only two sides that they demand we pick from. So I’m definitely going to be including links to you should take the course. Yeah, I’ve joined me right now. So I
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 37:22
should go to truth and help calm, we made it really accessible. You know, I said, charge 1000s. For this, we made it like nothing for people to come in and take it. But all of that infrastructure we’re putting into our educational infrastructure. My great grandfather was an indentured servant, a slave.
You know, he had no money. But if someone in the village came to him, and asked him for a book, he would he would figure out some way to get them a book, it’s education. You know, ignorance is a cause of all suffering. And that’s where we’re at. We are at this point in history, because we have been drawn into outsourcing our civic responsibilities to politicians, and billionaires and celebrities.
They’re not going to do anything, they have golden handcuffs. All right. It’s only going to happen when you understand the physics of how the world operates. So we’ve made that accessible, and people start getting educated and they start becoming catalysts.
We don’t need leaders, we don’t need followers. We need educators and catalysts now, to educate people on how to go beyond left and right. There’s no other way change is going to come. We’re just going to be going through the Republican pendulum than the Democrat pendulum.
And we’re going to go back and forth. You know, we’re all going to be misused and abused. The American worker right now. 25% of Americans are out of jobs. Very important. The average American has maybe $400 in their bank account, 80% of Americans in the last 40 years, the unions, the real workers movements have been destroyed.
During 1940 to 1980, there were 11 million strikes in the United States, nearly 100 million people participated. And during that time, the American economy grew for everyone. Because when we thought we got our rights during 1982 today, because the left and the right collaborated, and they destroyed the real spirit of unions, there is no workers movement, there was only maybe 900 strikes in the last 40 years.
And then maybe only 2 million workers participated. And now we have two American pies, one American Pie for the GFP sauces, and the you know, 5% of the point 5% and the other for the other working Americans which are shrinking over the last since 1950. You know, $50,000.50 to $70,000 has been transferred from working people to the elites.
So yeah, there’s been socialism for the elite. So all of this the jab, the censorship, the mask mandates. This is part of a long process of control. It’s about controlling working people. And the American worker is a tip of the spear of a real movement because they had the First Amendment and they still have the Second Amendment. So we’re witnessing here is actually absolutely brutal control of people. It has frankly nothing to do with vaccines and masks. It has to do with the fact that those are instruments of control.
Kristi Leigh 40:09
Absolutely, and I think that’s a phenomenal way to end this interview is with those thoughts I think a lot of people can relate no matter what side they aren’t on with just the real divide being the elite and the working class period.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 40:24
Working people unite what we say in our the slogan is beyond left and right beyond black and white truth, freedom and health working people unite, that’s the only way changes come. No other way significant changes ever come. Politicians always come later they jump on the bandwagon afterwards you know, when they see that they may be out of business, they will never lead anything.
Kristi Leigh 40:45
Very good thoughts. Very good analysis. Thank you Dr. Shiva for your time.
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