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Ben, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:00
Yeah. So Hello everyone. This is Dr. Shiva direi. Welcome. We are going to wait. But we don’t have let’s see the internet connection here. Okay, it’s coming in. Let’s see what we have here. Okay, we’re live here. Alright everyone.
This is Dr. Shiva direct. We’re in Miami with a great publication called El Americana with Ben Q here. And Ben and I are going to have a conversation about all sorts of topics. Yeah, take it away.
Well, yeah, thank you so much, Dr. Shiva, absolute pleasure to be here with this man. MIT PhD, the inventor of email involved in all kinds of things politician, philanthropists, software programmer, all that kind of thing. So I hope it’ll be a very fascinating conversation.
Now. The purpose of this conversation really is he’s going to treat me a bit like an idiot, because I am a bit of an idiot on a lot of these topics. And I really want to get to the bottom of a few things, a lot of the questions people ask me about, about politics about medicine.
So we’ll get right into it. So for an idiot like myself, can you explain in the simplest possible terms, how and why, or what we know why, but why on how the election was stolen from Donald Trump?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 01:24
Well, then I think the first thing we need to do is talk about what we mean by you know, stolen, you know, these things called election fraud. And I just want to define that very simply for you.
It when I started getting involved in this, you know, back in September, in my own election, when we saw the absolute stealing that took place in my master’s Republican primary election, that’s when it got me interested from an engineering standpoint to really understand these election systems.
Okay. And there’s two parts of the election system. One part of the election system is where you can count votes hand count and paper ballots and Kevin’s paper here, people fill out the paper and then go vote human beings, actually review those ballots, etc.
In Massachusetts, for example, it was Republicans who committed election fraud against a Republican, right, which is me, we had 3000 volunteers on the ground, we were everywhere, the Massachusetts GOP found a nobody to run just to make sure that they would end up with a designated loser.
Well, what do we find out there? We found out on September 2020, I win in the hand counted, county, predominately all white working class people in Franklin County, Massachusetts, many counties, I win there by by nearly 10 points, Massachusetts, and in every other county, I was running for US Senate, I lose 6040 6040 6040 6040 6042, a guy who nobody knew who had no campaign, no lawn signs, no bumper stickers, nothing.
We raised 10 times more money than him, everyone knew us. And that’s when I never thought election fraud took place in the United States, I thought it was a quote unquote, a third world thing. And that led me to apply all my engineering systems skills.
And you know, my MIT software engineering skills to understand that the entire voting process in the United States is a complex system, people come in to vote, they can vote by paper, hand counted by paper, or when they vote by paper, their ballot gets scanned into something called a image, a ballot image.
And a machine looks for all those dots and, you know, circles to count it using its AI. Well, so I quote unquote, lost in all of these counties, we’ve had electronic voting machines. So as I learned about this, I found out that in Massachusetts, they deleted those images of the ballots, which are supposed to save for 22 months, according to federal law, that led into me filing lawsuits that led into me doing analysis.
And it’s a whole nother topic, which we can talk about, but fundamentally before Donald Trump’s election, in November 3, I had already figured out all the failures in the US systems of election.
So image deletion is valid images that deletion, that’s the vote essentially, that’s the ballot concept for you. They protect it by your name that goes into the machine. And then what you’re saying is that was disappeared
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 04:15
in Massachusetts, exactly in your primary in our primary care. In fact, when we filed public records request, and we told that Secretary of State I want the ballot images, they openly say, Oh, we deleted them.
We don’t have to save it by Massachusetts law. Well, the law is for a federal election passed 50 years ago by a democrat majority. Any record in connection with the election beepers in 22 months. Okay. So that led into a lawsuit that led into us uncovering that when I shared this on Twitter, I was thrown off by the government contacting Twitter because what I had uncovered was a systems failure. No different than remember when the space shuttle blew up, they found that the O ring was wrong.
This was many years ago. So my conclusion out of this entire thing was that when When we talk about fraud or things being stolen, Ben, I look at it in a very simple way. You want me to make things simple, very simply.
Imagine to have a process to make cookies, you have to get the flour, you have to find the chocolate chips, you have to put it together, then you have to make you go through a process, right? Well, typically, in any major industry, the United States airline industry, or any major industry, those processes are very well documented. So you could replicate them by regulators, etc.
So if some poison, let’s say they could, you could go track it, you could say, and it came from this batch from this.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 05:31
My dad was a chemical engineer for many years for the largest manufacturing companies like Colgate, right. Palmolive. When they produce something, if there’s a problem, the manufacturing processes can directly to your point, find out where it can’t be.
It’s called the standardized operating procedures. Every step is okay. So what I discovered was, first of all, numbers weren’t matching up. system is not communicating with systems be.
The people are very opaque. They’re not transparent. They delete stuff. And if you challenge them, there’s this culture of who the hell are you to ask me, right? So by the time Trump’s election took place in November 3, I had figured out the mathematics I figured out the system’s failures. And when Trump’s election took place, I started seeing anomalies.
I did the math, I was the first guy who did the math in Michigan showed some very interesting anomalies. And then we did stuff in Georgia. And, you know, the work we were doing started going viral. When Arizona came the audit in Arizona, which I participated in. At that time, we had found out that the numbers didn’t add up. It’s simple math.
That led into the Arizona audit taking place, as you saw recently, and 20 days before that audit was to be completed. I was called in to look at what’s called the images not of the ballots, but the envelopes. So what are the envelopes? Well, in Arizona, like in Arizona, 92% of the votes in that election took place. paper mail in ballots. Okay. Mail in ballots, okay.
I had to take this call. Okay. I’ll call back. Let me call this guy back. I’m so sorry about that. So 90 92% of those of the the the election in Arizona was through mail in ballots, which means people are at home, they filled out an envelope. Okay. And they submitted it 92% 92% 28% of people get it on the day of the election.
Yes. So basically, November 3 was election day, it was October, September be election.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 07:44
Exactly. Sorry, exactly. So it’s so so 92% of those elections, okay. Of that. nearly 1.9 million ballots for mail in ballots that came in where people had, you know, taken envelopes, and they sign the outside of that envelopes with their name. And then they put their ballot in and they submit it.
So what happens when that happens, those envelopes come in, and they’re scanned in a facility into images. Those images are then reviewed by human beings volunteers look at the signature on that. So if it’s been queue,
a lot of pitches on
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 08:25
signature verification, or they look at the signatures on the image, everything’s, and they look at the signatures on file, if they match, then your ballot is opened, and then it’s counted.
If it’s not, if it doesn’t match, they have a process called curing where people call the person up if their name is on the ballot. It’s anyway, you can think about the complexity of this process. I would say 99.999% of Arizonans Americans even know about this process.
I was asked to review the images of those envelopes and see if there was a signature in the signature area if there was a scribble or if there was a blank. So that’s what I was hired to do. 20 days before and we did a great job. We got everything done.
And what we found out was first thing we found out was there were 6545 More ballots in the envelopes. Okay, okay, which isn’t important. So every ballot should have an envelope. So we found that they had counted 6000, close to 6500 or more,
So you could have more envelopes and a ballot. We should have to click you could have more ballots and
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 09:31
we should what you should have one ballot for everyone on Okay, okay. I didn’t know they had more ballots. So where are the envelopes? That’s one of the anomalies. We never accused anyone a fraud. We said listen, I’m a scientist.
Here’s an anomaly please on how many did you say 6500 40,000? I remember that election was lost by 10,000 votes in Arizona in Arizona. Okay, this was just in one county, Maricopa County. So in one county we see six that 6500 More ballots and envelopes in Maricopa County alone 1.9 million mail in ballots came in.
Out of those 1.9 million ballots when they did the signature verification. They said only 587 of those ballots didn’t match up with the signatures, very low signature three one hundredths of 1%. So I also said that’s another anomaly. Right?
You know, it’s a very low signature mismatch, right. And like this, we pointed out anomalies. For example, we had found out that there were duplicate envelopes that were coming literally after the election nearly 17,000. The key point I want to make here is that we propose different inom not proposed, we found different anomalies.
We presented that to the Senate, we said, Look, we’re not even claiming any fraud took place here. We’re just saying the election officials need to let us know why this is occurring. If all I’m saying yeah, and that resulted not in a proper dialogue, the election officials going to their media proxies, and attacking me as a conspiracy theorist, as an anti Vaxxer as a guy, you know, trying to take away the fact that I did invent email just attacking.
Forget the fact that I four degrees from MIT have spent my entire life as an engineering systems guys have worked with the largest companies world discrediting. So then I had to expose them as saying, hey, look, if you want to have a dialogue, why don’t we have a dialogue?
This is not about election fraud. This is about in an engineering system, we found anomalies, like you said, with a cookie thing, right? And we just want answers. And the more transparent be, it’s gonna strengthen our lectures.
And so I want to say, in, in my definition, as a scientist and an engineer, the real quote, unquote, fraud is the lack of transparency, and the lack of openness, because if you just told us what it is, we could say, Oh, that’s easy. Oh, we understand why that happened. So that’s so what I see as fraud is a very,
is a lack of transparency, a lack of transparency. Okay. Now, that’s very interesting. So what you’re not. So you actually contend the idea that the actions from quick on stone stone? Yeah. What you’re saying is that it was a very, the process was lacking transparency.
Yeah. And therefore that needs to be investigated, which is a very different position for saying the action was stolen outright. Mm hmm. And that is, that is your state?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 12:25
Well, what I’m saying is, you know, I’ve always said, I mean, our election messages, we’ve found clear evidence of the ballot images being deleted. Right, that’s fraud. Okay, in Arizona, we found these very interesting anomalies.
And without explanation of those anomalies in an open way, the real issue here is why aren’t the election officials just openly having a conversation? I was hired as an auditor by the people of Arizona, let’s across the table, let’s just go through the findings. Answer them.
Okay. So here’s my question. In the end, any aftermath of 2020 or less. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, there were various efforts by generalists, Rudy Giuliani, the whole Trump team, and they took these to courts. And some of these were trunk control courts on a Republican controlled core, such as, you know, appointed by Republican politicians.
Now, why is it that not a single one of these lawsuits has gained any traction? Why have we not seen anything? Kind of concrete in the sense of, you know, changing the election system or challenging the result of this election? Is it all one big conspiracy, or is it is it that, you know, the courts weren’t convinced by the evidence? Why is
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 13:50
it? So it’s a good question. Look, we have two lawsuits, Masters bar lawsuits, I represent myself. We got we brought it to historic points, and we can talk more about that. I know many of these people. Okay, what’s happened with any issue right now in the United States, be it mandates be it versus on it, quote, unquote, election integrity, it always gets becoming a left or right issue.
And in fact, the so one side says racism exists, the other side’s racism doesn’t exist. One side says election integrity, existing election fraud exists. The other side says it doesn’t. That left, right, that pro anti stuff has created a condition where we never get to the real issue.
So there was a you know, when we expose what occurred in Massachusetts, long before the general election, when we started exposing what occurred at the national level, you know, the the the campaign for election fraud made $400 million.
It became a money making business, not to really solved the issue. People are sending out donations. If you look at the Trump campaign, the RNC made it. They raised a lot of great $300 million. And God knows what happened with that money.
The election integrity movement was a movement on the left for many years, nearly 25 years saying, you know, votes are being stolen from minorities right. Now the right is involved. But I would argue that both sides do not really want to solve as sound antithetical they do not want to solve the real systemic issues in election integrity.
And this is my conclusion having gone into a deeply the election systems, the United States are very squishy, meaning there’s all different places where you could manipulate it. Okay, they’re not tight, like if you fly a plane from San Diego to Boston, right?
The air, the air traffic systems, the airplane systems, I mean, you don’t see planes falling out of the sky every day, right? Because we have standardized operating procedures, you walk into an airplane, you’re not thinking Oh, my God, the plane is gonna fall out of the sky.
But today, 50% of Americans don’t trust the election systems. And that’s a real real, it’s a problem because of the lack of transparency. And my conclusion is both parties. Republicans have cheated on Republicans in my case, Democrats have cheated on Democrats, like in Tim Canovas case, with Debbie Wasserman Democrats steal from Republicans, Republicans and Democrats, they have made the system squishy, has in my view, elections are frankly, selections, and they’ve created an environment that they have, they do not want to, they want to keep it sort of malleable.
So they can decide who the winner is the left or the right, Republican or Democrat. So many of those court cases, many of those lawsuits if you look at them, they’re garbage. The lawsuits were written so poorly, forget even whether the courts liked it or not.
The arguments the case law was done horribly, you know, in Massachusetts to the stuff I filed, actually made it to much more levels, much more deeper levels. So the lawyer legals and through the legal system, yeah, if you go read those lawsuits, they were poorly done. They didn’t go at the heart of the issue. That’s
what so that’s what’s gone wrong. In your view, it’s not in my view, there are cases and there are
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 17:00
people making money off, quote, unquote, election fraud out, okay.
Okay. So that that makes quite a lot. So then I saw the profit. If I’m to kind of summarize this in a simple way your take is that you’re not saying Joe Biden or Democrats stole X many votes or whatever, what you’re saying is that this was not a transparent election.
And therefore you want to investigate it. And what the mainstream media is saying, Oh, this was the this was the most secure election in history. And the someone on the Republican side saying, Ireland stole it, you know, they took this x money, X amount of votes your take is that things happen that we’re not transparent. And,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 17:44
and there are serious anomalies that we should investigate, if a plane crash took place. And I was brought in to audit that, I’d say, Hey, I saw this, this this. If you’re running a company, and your customer put out a piece of software, and a customer calls you and says, Hey, Ben, I, you know, I noticed this in the software, your reaction would be say you’re an idiot, you’re a conspiracy theorist, here’s anti Vaxxer eff off and hang up the phone.
Right? That is the attitude we have among election officials. So the attitude should be Thank you very much for that idea. Let’s go look at it to understand why they’re 6545 More ballots and envelopes, we’ll get back to you Dr. Shiva, right. Instead of doing that, you’re an idiot, you’re an idiot.
And now in the modern world of engineering systems, which is a world we live in, in the 21st century, you want to welcome people ever this system is airplane systems, your healthcare systems, when people report something’s wrong, you want to accept it, you want to go find a root cause and address it.
So neither party wants to do this one party is is saying there was absolute fraud data dot, and they’ve actually participated in quote unquote, fraud. The other side denies that it’s occurred, because they want to keep status quo. Yeah, this is why we need to take a much more practical working man’s approach to this, Hey, there’s a system here. I can’t understand certain things.
So just to be clear, so you were heavily involved in the Arizona audit. And again, I’ve seen mixings on that. I’ve seen people saying or, you know, outlets saying, Oh, well, it proves that Biden won by 300 more votes. My understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, is that Sure. It said that Biden had won by three or more votes. But that was only based upon the flawed system that you’re
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 19:28
because I’m saying the cookie is coming out at the end. You’re looking at a process Yeah, at the end, and you’re saying everything matches? So what did you prove in that audit? What we remember there was two sets of auditors. One was one company called Cyber ninjas.
My company’s echo met, we were asked to look at the mail in ballot envelopes. Okay. What we, quote unquote, prove or demonstrate it was there are various anomalies and that and that these anomalies need to be explained. And now that has gone to the Attorney General give you an another anomaly right
out of Arizona
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 19:58
in the Maricopa County. Many Arizona audit. So for example, we discovered many example of one individual with the same name, same household, having two Voter IDs, submitted two envelopes. And both of that those two Voter IDs were counted. Okay, now, this is a serious anomaly.
This is something they talk about all the time people rep and we actually unfold. Yeah, but
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 20:26
but this is even not doesn’t go in there. It’s the same person, Ben Q, living in, let’s say, one main street, right? With the name Ben Q, you actually have two Voter IDs. And you actually submitted two different ballots. And both of them were counted.
And we have multiple examples of that. So the issue here is, how could something like that even happen? Why is one individual having two Voter IDs? Why were both ballots counted? Right. So in science, you find interesting anomalies, as engineers, we propose it, maybe there’s a legitimate explanation. Okay. Yeah.
So we don’t want to make any conclusions here. Because fraud is ultimately determined by the Attorney General, right. They’re the ones who prosecute stuff, right. They have to take to the court system.
So I think the most important thing for people to understand is that the left and the right in my view, Republicans and Democrats have no interest in solving election integrity, just like they have no interest in ever solving immigration. Like they have no interest in solving racism, because both parties profit from it. They keep the the divide
by by maintained. Yeah, that’s right. So tell me, so you, you’ve done the Arizona audit. What are the next steps in terms of because it’s clear to me, you know, anyone who thinks that Trump is coming back by January into office or whatever is completely deluded.
Joe Biden, is for better or worse, the President of the United States? What can what can be done in this process in terms of finding out more about the 2020 election? What what other steps are left to take with what end goal?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 22:01
What the end goal is, you know, we were asked America county audit to submit all the evidence to the Attorney General, which we’ve done. We’ve submitted images he coming in reviewing that that’s what the attorney general’s reviewing. It is up to the Attorney General of Arizona, decide if he wants to prosecute.
Right, so the Senate, so remember, you have the legislative branch, you have the executive branch, the Attorney General’s under the executive branch, the Arizona Senate is the one that funded the audit on to do that.
Okay. And we presented our stuff to the Arizona Senate, in a public hearing. The Arizona Senate then went to the Attorney General, to have this said, Hey, we have some anomalies. And then the Attorney General issued a letter I think was on October 6, saying or September 25, I’m sorry, saying that we want Dr. Shiva and the other auditors to submit direct evidence to them, which we did it about a week ago.
Now. It’s really just a waiting game. It’s
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 22:57
up to the attorney general.
And you’re gonna do your planning audits elsewhere, I assume
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 23:02
we may be called in to do other places, and they may do more stuff here based on what the attorney so let’s
say you get east wind states, Arizona has never typically been a swing state. But if you take if we take Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, just as two examples, Michigan, okay, three, those three states, and you do audits and each one, and they all come up serious anomaly and all the Attorney General’s investigate and find that the election was full of anomalies and full of things that needs to be need to be investigated. What happens then do they do they redo the election? Do
they say we just need to fix this for the future elections? What is the step down? What is the end game?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 23:45
I’m not sure. Should I? Yeah. So remember, the Attorney General can prosecute people, they can run discovery, they can do various things. That’s under the purview of the attorney general.
So really, at this point, it’s just about investigation, exposure, exposing what happened, you’re gonna overturn this election?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 24:07
Well, I don’t I you know, I think the reality is there have been instances up until one of the things I want to make clear is there was a law passed 52 USC 2070 150 years ago by democrat majority, that law was a law to encourage audits after an election for 22 months. It’s a very important law. Everyone needs to understand
and an older isn’t going to do any come
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 24:29
in. No, no, no, because I think the lawmakers recognize there could be crap that occurs during an election. So you have to give a time where you can audit it. So anyone who says auditor unAmerican you shouldn’t do this. It would be like saying an airplane crashes, nothing to see here. Move along. Yeah. So an audit should be appreciated.
In fact, whether it’s small anomalies or large, and the reason that was done was so you could do an election recall. So you could do anything possible. You could if fraud is found, and there have been cases of this, where you the governor, whoever would appoint or I don’t know, the procedure, in this case, you could appoint someone new. And you could rerun an entire election, there’s many possibilities that weren’t sort of historically virgin ground. Okay. So
that, but that makes a lot of sense. So you’re so it’s kind of Yeah, it’s it’s the first time that it’s the first time it’s happening, right
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 25:24
in history, what it has happened actually different points in American history. In a president time is in the presidential area with something like this. But the important thing is people should embrace this the concept of an audit the concept, this is the democratic process, because the end game is just transparency, its transparency, so fair elections and transparency period.
So tell me, I’ve got I’ve got two questions here. Well, the first one is, in legislative terms, what can be done to improve election integrity? And well, yeah, well, we’ll focus on that one for now, in legislative terms, I mean, what do you think of the laws have been passed in Florida and Texas?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 26:03
Well, the thing is, the legislators need to take an engineering systems approach. And what do I mean by that they need to understand from the time someone walks in, to participate in the election process, and there’s a whole bunch of processes till the time their vote is counted.
There’s many different processes the legislature should make, to should pass laws to make sure all of those processes are transparent to the public. If they’re going to use mail in ballots, okay. In my view, what’s happening is with technology, which can centralize voting to one, you know, the value to one civility, this is not a good thing.
I don’t think the founders of this country wanted centralization. In my view, ultimately, it should be, you go to vote on voting day, you go to a typical place you vote in person, and counted paper ballots.
Election day should be a national holiday, young kids should participate or community should participate and vote should be counted. You scan the ballots, put them up on the cloud, because it doesn’t have anyone’s names on it. Yeah, full transparency mail.
Home nailing says too many errors here.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 27:12
It’s Yeah, exactly. You forget, even for too many areas for error.
Now, I was at a conference recently, and I didn’t really understand what the technology was that they were outlining this was in Utah, but I do know that the basis of of what they were saying, it’s very exciting. You’re brilliant man.
Surely we can create a secure system? You know, with all the with all the technological developments, you know, we can we can put people into space and whatnot. Surely we can create a foolproof election system, perhaps on the blockchain, you know, using Blockchain technology that is totally transparent.
And that can’t be hacked. And, you know, serves as the basis for the integrity of future elections. Is that Is that possible?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 28:03
So let’s, you’re asking a great question. So we, so if you look at any process, like you use, you said, we can put people up in space, okay. Taking building Iraq and making sure that goes into space and people back at the complex engineering systems process.
You may read in January 26 1986, there was something called the Challenger space shuttle. The morning of that there were icicles on the space shuttle here in Cape Canaveral, right. We’re Miami here today. And I used to love to watch a shuttle launch.
And I saw these icicles, I said, I hope they’re not going to launch that eat. And several hours later, I got up and I saw the space shuttle blowing up. There was an engineer by the name of Alan McDonald, who was the chief engineer, NASA was pressuring him to sign off so they could do the launch because I’m not going to do this.
He goes because the O rings were never tested under this temperature. Okay, anyway, the shuttle blows up. He pointed out a simple anomaly. So look at election systems. And by the way, engineers know this engineers know that every little thing matters.
But in election systems, we’ve created this very complex Mayline ballot process, many things can go wrong. So the reason I bring this up is if you want to do something in life, you need to look at what technology you’re going to use.
Would you use a jackhammer to put in a little nail, if you work? Yeah, but you probably destroyed the entire table to write uses something called a hammer. I would argue Brexit in England was done with from hand counted paper ballots, and they did it.
All elections are and you know, there’s never I mean, there’s there’s been a few questions about kind of sort of ballot dumps and kind of coercing communities to vote. Labour. But generally speaking, my understanding is that the election system in in Britain is pretty good.
And what’s more with Brexit, me The establishment did not want Brexit to happen. But the votes were counted. They were counted fairly. And there was a majority for Brexit. So yeah, and that’s, that’s something my own father talks about a lot, which is, you know, he’s not a fan of these electronic voting machines, we just have simple, simple ballots, right? And they’re hand counted.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 30:18
So if you think about a piece of paper, filling in your thing, and a human to human beings review it, yeah, maybe they scan it, and they put it up. Okay. Yeah, to me. Right technology for the right situation. Why do we need these electronic voting machines?
Yeah, you can do them faster, supposedly. So the right, it may be a hammer is much better. And my argument is that, yes, we want technology. But who benefits? Who made these decisions to use electronic voting machines? What does it actually benefit? And is it the right technology for something where you can use hand count or paper ballots, simpler, decentralized, easier, fully transparent, you do the images? So yeah, we can do blockchain.
But a lot of people don’t understand blockchain. We’re talking about a very simple democratic process. It can’t be that can’t it shouldn’t be that difficult. Why not just make it hand counter paper ballots, and you get a receipt? You make sure the person is who they are? Yes, there are people who are disabled, elderly people can’t come. For those people. We make a comment. That’s not
a very good excuse to say even
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 31:22
Right, yeah, so I think the right technology for the right situation. But when you we live in a world where we can use very complex technology that only five people know how to do, there’s a serious problem there.
You’ve created a democratic conundrum. Very few people know how that works. And you’ve lost democracy. So I think it’s a socio technical systems problem. It’s not just a technology issue is is this technology good for all of society.
Okay, final thing, and I should have actually matches or backtrack a little bit here. But for me, as someone who doesn’t understand technology, and who doesn’t understand these systems, for me, the anomaly in the American, the 2020 election was quite clear, which is I was where I was watching.
I was watching the election on a zoom call with some friends. And we were saying, oh, Trump’s gonna win this in a landslide. I mean, he’s just storming ahead in all these states. And then around kind of 11pm.
Yesterday, I turned to my said to my friend, you know, the results were coming in very quickly. And I said, it’s all stopped. I mean, it’s literally just stopped. And it stopped for about half an hour,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 32:30
or I want to think about 95%.
Hi, I thought it was more sort of 7580. Yeah, it depends on the policy. And then it just stopped. And then everything started moving in Biden’s direction, which struck me and maybe there’s an explanation for it. But it struck me as an extremely strange thing to happen in an election.
And then you had people in Atlanta going home when these elections, you know, you typically count all right, there were lots of strange things that happened on on on election day. You just told me about that. If there’s any Yes.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 33:06
So So here’s again, the issue with technology, and you’re talking to a guy who’s built technology all of his life. So when you saw and, and that’s a serious anomaly. Yeah. Right. So you’re pointing out?
I mean, that doesn’t happen in the UK?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 33:20
No, no, but you saw an anomaly. Right? No one’s given explanation for that. Yeah. No one has there isn’t been Senate hearings on this, right. If, again, if an airplane blew up, we call a major hearing, right? You bring you bring out all the stuff, you have to answer these questions.
So again, I bring back to the central issue, I just put a little thing called Truth freedom, unhealth, right, kid educator being slave, one of the things we need to start recognizing is a 20th century was a century of relatively simple inventions, right? That were disconnected from others.
The 21st century is a century of interconnected systems of inventions. Your iPhone is not just a little phone, it’s connected to satellite that’s connected apps, this thing is connected to all sorts of things. Driverless cars are connected to other things.
These electronic voting systems have multiple stakeholders, many people are involved in the soup of this technology. It’s not just a paper ballot. So when you create complex systems called engineering systems as to what they are, you need to have an educated public who can understand these systems. And that’s called systems science.
And so the educational paradigm has lagged beyond the technological advancements. So you have a broad set of the public, which doesn’t understand the complexity of the systems or do they have the understanding of how to even understand these systems? So what I started doing was recognizing this and this way, you have this division left and right.
So I started about, you know, many years ago, I started creating a course at MIT then we started offering it to the public. It’s basically a foundations assistance course. My view is that the more people Let’s start looking at a problem.
And taking a systems approach what a systems approach is look at the interconnections don’t just take a position. And when you look at the interconnections of something, you can find what the real problem here is with the real solution.
So when you take a systems approach to electronic, or our election issues, you find out the real issue here is that the systems are not transparent. And everyone I’m sure whether you’re left or right once transparent systems
and there might there might be an answer to what happened on Yeah, should know, the, and this is a point I’ve always made. There’s no such thing as too much transparency.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 35:33
Exactly. So you look at something later. They don’t they, if you’ve got
nothing to fear, then they should I mean, they could make the argument that it’s a waste of money. But ultimately, if that if this was the most secure this, the most secure the fairest, freest election in American history, then they should be all for the audits because they’ve got nothing to lose, they’ve got nothing to write. And
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 35:57
if you think about any other processor system in the world, again, for those people are entrepreneurs, you guys run a publishing company, let’s say customers called in and they said, Hey, your website’s slow. Would you say, Hey, you’re a conspiracy theory, an anti Vaxxer?
Shut the hell up. You would say thank you, let me go figure out why you find the root cause, you know, you say, Oh, we’re using a bad server. Let’s replace it. Right. For some reason, these unelected officials who run elections believe that they do not have to share anything, that they’re above the law. Yeah. And that’s what the real quote unquote fraud is here. Yeah.
No, and I thank you for your explanations on this, because it’s really fascinating. And I really like your position, which is that it’s not, you’re not saying, you know, they stole X amount of votes that happened, this happened, you’re saying we need transparency, and transparency can never be a bad thing. Um, I just want to follow onto onto another topic, obviously, another very, very relevant topic, which is about vaccines.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 37:01
And by the way, you know, all these stations, watch what words were saying. And they start flagging us. So I use the word job, Beans, beans, beans, that’s a code word for Exxon
teams. Okay. All right. Well,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 37:15
I call it I call a job a nation. Okay.
So I mean, look, that’s how you get over the Thought
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 37:21
I share them, you know, Anthony function, Dr. Fauci is an extremely sinister, dangerous man who’s pretty drunk on power. However, I don’t I’m not of the view that these vaccines are kind of some plan to exterminate half the world population, half the world’s population. What? And I’m not saying that’s your position, either. What is your position on these vaccines, because I’m just gonna put something out there. In June, I took the Pfizer vaccine, I thought on balance, you know, it’s a nasty, it’s a nasty, nasty virus. You know, lots of my friends are taking it, it’s going to help me, you know, travel and whatnot. I’ll take the damn thing, which is what I did,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 38:04
which is you’re right, by the way, which is your I took it,
and I had symptoms, but everyone said that was normal. And about three, four days. Afterwards, I started having weird feeling in my heart. And, two, to cut a long story short for months after that, and I don’t think the issue is too serious, but my heart has, has had I’ve had, I felt things that I’ve never held before. Palpitations, heartburn, all this kind of thing. My theory and what what you know, with the doctors I’ve spoken to is that it appears to be a case of light myocarditis. Now, they’ve admitted they say that myocarditis is a side effect can be a side effect of the vaccine. But the point I’m making is that I know firsthand that the vaccines sure might to some people, but they also cause some people harm. So you’re, so tell me, what is your position on these vaccines? Why are governments so keen for us to take? You know, not just two, but 3456? Until, you know what, what is? What is your take on on the on this rollout? This global rollout?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 39:16
Yeah. So just to level set with your audience, people should understand that. My PhD is in a field called biological engineering, which was a department that MIT created in 2007. Was the pastors in that department was a mentor of mine was an undergrad, his guy by the name Bob Langer, who created liposomal technology, who actually made $3 billion off of Maderna.
Okay, so the Department of Biological Engineering was created to take an engineering approach to biology, which was missing, it was in chemistry was in other fields. So and I’m considered one of the leading guys on the immune system.
She wants to be on Wikipedia in November of 2019. As I was invited to give a prestigious lecture, which is a very big honor by the National Science Foundation, which is the number one science organization, in the United States, for that matter in the world, on modern theory, the immune system, so it was in November 2019.
And in that lecture, I said, look, the modern concept of the Jabba nation, is based on a model of the immune system that goes back to 1915, which was all about white blood cells. And you said this to box model, all right.
And I, and then I shared the modern theory of the immune system, it’s not just your innate immune system, and then you’re adapted, which creates antibodies, you have the interferon system, you have the mouth, you have the microbiome, in your gut, you have all these different systems.
It’s a very complex, much more complex system science, advanced since 1950. And my point I made in that lecture, was, medicine is moving starting in 2007, to what is called precision and personalized medicine, the right medicine for the right person at the right time.
So for example, in your case, let’s say your doctor knew, Okay, you have a history of heart issues. I’m not saying you do,
I don’t but my I do have a family history of family
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 41:13
issues, right. So and, you know, if research was done, when we give this, this indication, or whatever the intervention is a vaccine or anything, right? They would say, Hey, we should be careful here, we should watch this closely.
Maybe we shouldn’t do that intervention, we should do this. Okay. The right medicine for the right person at the right time. That’s called precision and personalized medicine. And that is where medicine in 2007 started moving after the Genome Project ended, because we realized that we have the same number of genes as a worm, we thought we had more genes.
So biology had a revolution in 2003 to seven saying we need to move towards finding the right medicine for the right person. Alright, so why do I bring this up? So in 2019, I get just given my lecture and I see this quote unquote, Coronavirus pandemic.
And when I saw that, and having been in the field, Fauci promoting everyone should be getting the same medicine for everyone. I said, This guy’s a complete fraud. And I was the first one to bring that up, because I know Fauci and how that entire NIH system runs and that he trolls, massive amounts of research dollars to all the major
digital coming out, but the beagles yesterday, right,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 42:23
right. Like I said this back in 2020. Yeah. And, and I said that this guy has enormous power. Over all of these scientists, I happen to be a scientist who’s not dependent on NIH funding, I created my own companies.
So I was the first one who said this, quote, unquote, you know, pandemic will go down in history is one of the most powerful advertising campaigns intended to depress economies, destroy, dissent, and destroy our health that went viral. No medical doctor said anything.
Rand Paul didn’t say anything. None of these people, James O’Keefe, none of them, right. They watched until a year later when it became convenient now to talk about this because they watch which way the wind was blowing.
This comes back to Alan McDonald, who said, you have to say the right thing at the right time, had more scientists come out and called out Fauci who’s basically a career bureaucrat is really not a scientist is pushing forward to 100 year old science, when sciences advance, we would have had the problem solve.
In fact, after I did that first tweet, and I did a first video educating the public on the immune system, a senior White House economist called me and he said, Doc, I saw your video, please do more videos. Trump is not listening to The Economist. He is listening to Fauci blindly to The Economist, the economist called me up.
It’s quite a while because he was making arguments about the economy, which I Yeah, shut down the economy like it down and then health. Yes, but when you kill an economy, you also Right, right. So the two things are, well,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 43:56
it’s based on a false so if you just go back to March of 2020, I started doing videos on educate people on natural immunity, the immune system, vitamin d3, they started going viral before people started shutting me down. And I wrote a letter to Trump. I said, please do not shut down the economy.
If you want to follow the principles of personalized medicine is still up there. I said take all the people who are truly if they have Coronavirus, you know like we do with any flu, they should be quarantined. They should stay home and get better. The people who are testing who are elderly or sick, right, they may get it.
Please put them on high dose vitamin d3, vitamin A quercetin, zinc and I gave a protocol. These are not even my ideas. These have been 20,000 articles have been written on this. Yeah. I said if people are critically ill please give them high dose vitamin C 100 100 grams, you know, titrated that letter was eventually delivered to Trump but he didn’t do jack.
Okay, he kept Fauci didn’t do anything. We are the ones who sponsored the fire Fauci campaign. We raised over 200,000 Close to 200,000 signatures delivered to him. Now Rand Paul is on the bandwagon Firefox, but he says she can give me money. Jane give me money. The point is that Fauci is really not a scientist. He’s a bureaucrat.
Now you link back to the fact over the last 10 years, pharmaceutical companies have been burning and crying, their pharmaceutical drugs are losing money, it takes very long for pharmaceutical drug to come to market, it takes 15 years $5 billion, and you can sue a pharmaceutical drug company if their drug fails. Now go over to vaccines, the genes the genes are growing at 17%.
You can’t they’re not regulated, really, they’re called the biologic, you don’t need to go through as much testing and thanks to Operation warp speed by Trump, they can get them through like that.
So what we have right now, is that pharmaceutical companies, Pfizer, most people don’t know this last 60 $25 billion in the last seven years, $25 billion in pharmaceutical drugs, they’re gonna make up that much money in just the next year and a half, with the Gibi.
You see, the big, the big elephant, the big elephant in the room is your being as the Savior for Big Pharma, which is failing, follow the money.
And Big Pharma has always been known to be one of those powerful, right? Cool corporate entities or corporate
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 46:24
Trump did Big Pharma what Obama did for big banks,
but I mean, I’m just gonna, that’s that’s my position, make this point to a lot of people that Trump you said Trump did nothing. And I’m afraid a lot of people don’t like it when I say this. But Trump did nothing on a lot of things. And the big thing, he did nothing on with big tech, and he would have won that election in a landslide if he take it on the issue of big tech. And he didn’t do that. So that’s really unfortunate.
Okay, well, that’s that’s very, that’s very interesting. And you’ve provided again, really kind of credible and and easy to understand arguments about both the vaccine and the election, which were actually two of the, you know, two of the biggest questions facing us,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 47:11
while the other is, well, you just brought up censorship. She had the censorship mandates, you have elections becoming selections, and then you have censorship. And the real issue of censorship. Our lawsuit in Massachusetts discovered where we were the ones I didn’t when I ran for Senate unexposed valid images were deleted. The Secretary of State of Massachusetts contacted Twitter and threw off our lawsuit showed
you over Twitter all day. So you know,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 47:37
we were taken, we were thrown off. Okay, permanent, okay. And it was when I exposed but our lawsuit is a historic lawsuit because it exposed that the government of the United States, all governments have created a partnership with big tech.
And we figured out all the mechanics of it, we figured out and it’s all published, okay. We found that the government has, for example, Twitter, a trusted Twitter partnership.
It started in England, the partnership support portal was developed first by Twitter in England and it was deployed in India, then Australia and Taiwan and brought here government and big tech are one where government begins.
And we’re big tech and nobody knows government launderers, censorship of American citizens to big tech. That is what our lawsuit showed, we don’t have the First Amendment in this country.
And this is this is one of the things I’ve found funny, which is that some people say, Oh, well, you know, the big, bipartisan consensus on tech, you know, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, they don’t like big tech.
And it’s like, well, no, the thing the only difference between the Democrats who don’t like big tech and the Republicans who don’t like big tech, is that the Democrats who don’t like big tech thickness censoring enough, right, they say they do three more censorship, right.
So it’s a complete non starter, that that whole that whole thing,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 48:58
one of the things we need to understand is that the government of the United States starting after 911 created the Patriot Act, which allows dangerous peace and then Trump extended the Patriot Act.
We gotta remember this Siza the cyber security infrastructure security agency, was an organization spun out department Homeland Security’s which was authorized to create a way to circumvent the First Amendment.
That’s what our lawsuit exposed and they created an infrastructure where state election officials can report a US citizen to this nonprofit infrastructure, which will do the censorship.
So government can have plausible deniability, and they’re so the term we call it as laundering, censorship, laundering, censorship, government launders.
So there’s a cosy arrangement with government and big tech.
And I Yeah, yeah. One thing I find fascinating, so I sort of go go off on a tangent here, but is that you know, Jack Dorsey He likes to characterize himself as a bit of a libertarian and pushing pushing cryptocurrency and he says, banning Trump sets a bad precedent, which, you know, raises the question is even really in control of Twitter? I don’t know either he
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 50:14
isn’t. So Jack Dorsey, isn’t it? You know, most of these guys are puppets. Jack Dorsey, for example, went all the way to India, you know, and met with lower caste women saying how he’s against the caste system in India, right?
Well, he just threw off a low caste me dark skin. Me Republican who ran for office who exposed state election officials his Twitter collaborated with the government. Jack Dorsey’s It is essentially a puppet. You know, everything he does is the guy is the hypocrite, like most liberal elites are.
Yeah, the liberal elites are typically the racist, the liberal elites, that real racism, not the fake race. Yeah, perpetuate there’s a real racism,
like when they throw their thing at Larry elder, you know, with the gorilla, right?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 51:00
Right. So so so the we have a multi racial aristocracy now in the world, black, white, yellow, the Obamas are the ones who unleashed this multiracial aristocracy of liberal racism. And what I mean by that is, if you’re a white guy from the south, you must hate black people.
If you’re an Indian guy, you must move your head left or right, and you must be ready to take a good beating, you won’t defend yourself, you will surely not tell the truth. And if you’re beaten up, you’ll say, Okay, I agree with you.
So the idea is if the goal of this liberal racism is to put people in a box, and when you step out of it, it publicly links you. So that’s what’s actually going on. So the liberal elites are the racist. So Jack Dorsey is a racist. Warren is racist. She uses race for her advancement. Yeah.
And they, if if if racial minorities don’t agree with them, and their agenda than they get, then that’s when their racism really start. Right. So what you just said, talking about India, actually perfectly dovetail them to my final question. So I’m gonna ask because I think it’s interesting. It’s a separate topic, but I believe you’re a vocal supporter of Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi. Is that Is that correct? Well,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 52:15
I so my, my experience not I was born in India. Yeah, I came here in 1970. I grew up in the United States. And I used to go back to India once a year. In 22,008, nine and 10. I went back to India after I finished my PhD at MIT, to do a Fulbright, because I was very interested in the Indian systems of medicine.
And so I took three years off to really make a major discovery linking Indian systems of medicine, modern engineering theory, but anyone who has got going, getting ready to leave India, was recruited by the Prime Minister of India before Modi, a guy called Manmohan Singh to run one of the largest scientific research center initiatives on innovation.
I took that job as a two year job. But before I could even do anything, I discovered massive corruption in the Indian science infrastructure, which hired me being me I wrote an article didn’t keep my mouth shut, it got me fired, terminated, evicted. And I got chased out of India under death threats that was in 2010 had to make my way, you know, up to the Nepal border and out.
It’s a very interesting story. Three years after I exposed all this, Modi was elected and he invited me back. The reason Modi’s election was quite revolutionary, is that India never, you know, white men with crowns left India, and brown men with white hats took over.
Gandhi was really not he was basically an agent of the British, okay, a British colonialism. Gandhi was brought in because there was truly revolutionary movement brewing in India wanted to have a good revolution.
And Gandhi was essentially brought to tell the Indian masses, it’s good to get your head bashed in, speak some nonviolent philosophical nonsense. And what he did was he essentially transferred power.
They’re British were planning to get out of India anyway, because it’s such a wonderful administrative elite. Yeah. And he transferred power from the British elite to the Indian elite. And he went through massive multiple decades of Nehru, who was the first prime minister of India.
Then he gave power to his daughter, Indira who gave power to her son, Rajiv, who gave power to her, her her daughter in law. So India is basically had a dynasty. So it Modi did not come from that dynastic rule. He came bottoms up. He came in on a landslide so many ways. Even beyond Trump, you know, Modi didn’t come from wealth. He wasn’t a billionaire.
So Modi, I like because he had kept a number of his values. He was truly a person who came from nothing. And in many ways his election really threw a wrench in for the elites of India. So I consider that a major movement forward.
And he’s, yeah, I mean, it was interesting to me because I remember when he got elected, not to Trump took office. You Steve Bannen was one of the people saying, you know, he was a big fan of moody.
And but yeah, I mean, so what you just said it sounds like he does he have a very strong anti corruption line. And my main question was, why is he good for the West? Why should I care about Modi? Obviously, it’s a country of more than a billion people. So you know, what he is going to be more and more important, but I just don’t understand well,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 55:20
well, broadly, what we need to understand is that that also good. The force, so if you go from a philosophical position, right, yeah, if you go back to the enlightenment, right, which is, you know, and you go back to the period of the Renaissance, right, one of the fundamental theories here is that it’s about freedom, the individual being able to pursue their dreams.
And if you go back to that core philosophy, it was always about the individual, being happy to have a direct connection with their Creator, whatever that wasn’t to pursue their dreams. That was really the founding of the American Revolutionary Movement.
In many ways, much of the Indian spirituality. If you look at it, Hinduism, which is a very disorganized religion, by the way, well, it’s a massive, it’s a but it’s very, totally disorganized. No one even knows what Hinduism, the foundations of Hinduism is, it’s about you and your relationship with the divine. It’s about you, and figuring that out.
So Modi’s election, in many ways, was valuable, because India never had an opportunity to express its own nationalism. And to the extent, if you want to talk about internationalism, globalism, whatever you want to call, let’s talk about the perhaps official international cooperation. I don’t believe that you can talk about internationalism, until you define your own nationhood into India ever had an opportunity to do that, for the last 70 years.
Gandhi basically screwed over Indians, he told him being an Indian man beating getting yourself beaten up. That was in the Indian psyche. Indians never stand up, you know, strong and be I’m in India. So Modi
is really sort of a good beginning of Indian nationalism. And, well,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 56:54
yes, but India, so remember, nationalism can have two sides to it, cultural nationalism, let’s go back to the good old days, and, you know, put everyone in chains. And, you know, the elites run, you know, a progressive nationalism. Yeah. So, so you have to watch both elements of it.
I’m not for the cultural nationalism, I’m for the progressive nationalism, where people get to define themselves. India never had that opportunity fully, thanks to Gandhi, thanks to the fact that the revolutionary sentiments of the broad mass of Indian people was never expressed, you basically curtail that.
So to that extent, is why I like Modi, because at least you start seeing that expression doesn’t mean it’s fully come into being and what that what’s advantage advantageous is whether you’re in the west or anywhere else, it gives an opportunity for people to start really understanding what what this Indian person is, right? Yeah.
Right. Whereas the true origin of the culture of India, not the culture of moving your head left to right, and saying beat me up. And it’s okay to do that. And keep doing that. To me. That’s what Gandhi really did. You know, he’s he’s really if Gandhi is the father of India, where there’s a lot of bastards running around.
So we’ve had a great conversation. I’ve just got one one final question. Yeah. Which is, you know, your guys doing a lot of things. You know, as we’ve said, you know, you’re you’re, you’re an academic politician, you’re, you know, a commentator, scientists will, always I’m going to think that you run for office against Elizabeth Warren and 2018. Yeah, as a Republican candidate.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 58:27
No, we ran, ran in 2018. I was an independent. I did the background, I was always a ground activists. I never believed that either party. I never voted until 2016. I was inspired to run by Trump, and ran as an independent because the Republican Party in Massachusetts is one with the Democrats.
They never even wanted me to run. So we ran as an independent, under the slogan only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian. Great name. Yeah, we were the ones who forced her to take the DNA test and just sprinkle in Mexican genes even to get up to the one out of 1020.
Not that absolutely finished for rifle. And we’ll finish. I mean, she will never because yeah, we did that. So are we paying exposure on the nominee? Right. That’s, you know, that’s disappointing to her because she’s ambitious.
So yeah, I mean, you seem to me that the campus the Republican needs with Republican Party needs, which is, you know, a true immigration success story and support the American dream. And a guy who understands issues and, you know, is, you know, understands these issues and, you know, can connect with the grass roots. So, do you intend to me for your
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 59:33
well? Well, what, remember, I’ve always been since 1981, since a 17 year old kid, kid and activists, which is to encourage people to think beyond left and right. So if you consider that running for politics, I’ve been doing that for nearly 39 years. electoral politics was relatively new in 2018.
And now in 2020. Right now, what we’re doing is we took our set campaign because it was so productive, we engaged people worldwide, that we have moved that to a movement called Truth, freedom and health. And what that movement says is number one freedom.
If you’re not willing to defend freedom, the United States has this thing called the First Amendment or did have it, you have nothing because freedom is a basis for movement of people matter, information and energy, which means movement of knowledge, movement of ideas.
And once you suppress freedom, and get it something more fundamental, called the search for truth, because you can’t express the scientific method. So that’s the truth part of it. So what’s going on in the world right now is three major tech companies and collusion who governments have controlled freedom, which means once you control freedom, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Facebook, okay.
And because of that, you can’t really practice the scientific method, which is you take all sorts of wacky ideas. Yeah, right. All ideas are supported conspiracies, non conspiracy, but they put them to the test of the scientific method. As Richard Feynman said, you you have an idea. You have to go do the experiment to gather data and validate it.
If you’re if you’re, if the data doesn’t support your best, you’re just wrong. Doesn’t matter how good looking at your what family you come from, that’s a scientific method, right? So we don’t have the scientific method anymore. We have scientific consensus. If enough people say yes, jab, everyone, yeah, jab around with the exact same thing. Every scientist agrees because it’s
pay to play scientific consensus. That is a term. You know, yes.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:01:30
Which is opposite to the scientific method. Yeah. So
we, you know, this group of people said it’s right. So it’s right. And it’s right
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:01:37
forever. That’s right. And the and definitely the, the the sun goes around the Earth. Remember that? Okay, the sun goes around the Earth, the Vatican said that it must be so forget this little guy over here. Galileo is that evidence, put, you know, step aside, nothing to see here.
So that’s where we’re at right now. And once you don’t have truth, and freedom, you don’t get health, infrastructure, health, your economic health, your physical health, and you don’t have the strength to fight for truth or freedoms, our movement. What we’ve done is we starting to educate people on this systems approach to looking at the world.
It’s called system science. And let me just remind whether you may know this band, but the elite institutions, trained their theoreticians, their advisors and system science, about eight to 10,000 people who run the world today, no system science. And my view is we need to train about 50,000 Everyday people in system science.
Every Monday nights, I started doing that we’ve created an infrastructure, people can go to truth, freedom, health, calm. And the idea is to bring the world together, not on just some bogus thing called Unity, but on a way to look at the world beyond left and right. And if anything, that is the right way to look at the world. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And
also make sure to go to an American car. So
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:02:49
it’s E L,
E, L A N E. R I KANICAN. I see it again. Yeah. Yeah, go go tell them we’re trying to build a conservative views out that media outlet aimed at the Hispanic population, where we’re open to ideas and giving out data to Hispanic media, which generally just pushes the, you know, the liberal, the liberal consensus, not just the scientific consensus, but the liberal consensus. So Dr. Shiva, thank you so much.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:03:22
Thank you very much. So anyway, l American calm. That’s what Ben is going to also do a write up of an interview, and there’ll be excerpts of this up there, but we gave everyone a preview here. So people saying spell it again. l American E L. A N E R ICA and like america.com. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Ben. Should be well, have a good evening, or good afternoon.
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