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Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:03
Good afternoon, everyone. It’s Dr. Shiva DeRay. Welcome to our open forum where we’ve invited the Maricopa County election officials plus the press and the public to have a discussion, a dialogue on the anomalies and key findings we found in our portion of the audit. So I’m also going to be accompanied by one of our, one of my colleagues here at echo male Phil Evans, who was very instrumental in managing the project and, and doing a lot of groundwork on the back end.
And we’re also going to be joined by Tim Canova later on, who was a democrat who ran in Florida against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Tim’s gonna be joining us around 1pm. And the reason I want him to come in is because I want everyone to understand that this issue of election systems integrity, and I’m gonna use the word systems in there.
It’s not just election integrity, it’s election systems integrity, affects all parties, Republicans, Democrats left, right, and independents. This is not just about, you know, the issue in Maricopa about the issue of Republicans for bringing up this issue. To Maricopa officials, this is a much broader issue. So we have a historic opportunity in Maricopa to address these issues.
Because the opportunity Maricopa represents us as this historic opportunity, because we’re taking a systems approach. One of the key things that we brought out in our element of the audit is to encourage people to step back and see this as a opportunity to unite this country and really resolve this issue.
And fortunately, it was, it was a great honor for me to be invited by the Arizona State Senate to participate. And I believe the important aspect of what I bring to the table here, which I want to educate everyone on is taking what we call an engineering systems approach. Phil Evans, who’s joining us is also an engineer, Tim Canova who joined us as a law professor and a steam law professor down in Florida.
But what we want to focus on today is number one, we’ll do a little bit of introductions and myself, Phil. Tim will be joining us later, we want to encourage the Maricopa election officials to join us. Phil Evans has been assiduously trying to reach out to them we’ll share with you that documentation. Because there’s been unfortunately misinformation in the press stating that we didn’t attempt to reach out to them we did.
And we’ll share with you that documentation. And Phil will also attest to that. But more importantly, 24 hours ago, we reached out to the Maricopa officials again, in in the interest of dialogue and openness and friendliness, as Americans to have this dialogue, and Phil will talk about that. So first point, we want to let everyone knows we have reached out to the American officials to join us.
Part of the reason in doing this is in my own view, in engineering, in any and you talk to any entrepreneur who builds anything makes anything whether you build a piece of software, or whether you build a building, or whether you make cookies, or whatever it is, my father was a chemical engineer for many years working at a company called Colgate palmolive where they would make all sorts of different products.
But in any engineering system, whether you’re making a product, whether you have to get an airplane off the ground, from point A to point B, whether you have to produce a piece of software, whether you have to make an iPhone, we live in the world of modern engineering systems. You see the 20th century was a world of simple, you know, individual inventions.
But in the modern world, we’ve interconnected our inventions to very complex other systems. So we don’t live in isolation anymore. So these are called engineering systems and electronic an election voting system is an engineering system. What does that mean? It means that it’s not you just simply going to one place and putting a headcount and ballot in which may be the best way to do it.
But we have people sending out mail in ballots to people, we have people getting the mail in ballots we have people responding to through the Postal Service, another very complex system. And then the Postal Service gets those documents and they send them off to other people that we’ve come to recently find out.
Organizations like run by ku scan and image these are envelopes into images. And then those images, which is fascinating are reviewed by reviewers or volunteers at the election office to compare if the signature that’s on the envelope matches with what’s on file, very difficult task, and then the ballots are opened.
And then if they can’t match them, there’s a process called clearing where we have now found that they create duplicate ballots during that are duplicate to be specific, not duplicate ballots, duplicate return on envelope images and The precision in which those processes run is frankly not known. And as we have put forward our anomalies, little by little, we get tidbits of information.
And our intention in doing this open dialogue is we believe a, the standardized operating procedures of all of these processes should be fully disclosed, which would happen in any type of audit, they have yet to happen. So we want to give the Maricopa officials a chance to dialogue and share them with us today, or email them with us today.
I’m sure the public deserves to know that. More importantly, we want to encourage people to recognize that we do not need the press disintermediating this or intermediating this for far too long. Those people who work people like us and Phil and others who have performed the audit should have direct connection with those people who are being audited, or those people who want to work in a collegial environment.
Instead of that process. What’s occurred is vitriol, partisanship controversy, none of its necessary through media proxies, who have no interest in really solving election systems integrity issue, except in our view, throwing kerosene on something that really doesn’t deserve that, but, and they discern, they intermediate this process, so we don’t have open dialogue. So that’s why we organize this.
So let me bring Phil Evans on. And Phil, maybe you can share with us. Let me bring Phil on. Phil, maybe you can just introduce yourself, Phil, give your experience on the ground, how long and how you and I connected, and then perhaps share with them your experience in reaching out to the miracle officials in the past back, you know, before when we were doing the audit, and more recently, and you’re essentially extending an invitation to them through phone call plus email. Good to have you, Phil.
Phil Evans 06:50
Thank you. My name is Phil Evans, I have been analyzing elections since about 2011. Excuse me. Um, and in 2008, last year, in November, or in September, actually, I met Dr. Shiva. I saw him in a video and I reached out and I took a look at Dr. Shiva election and figured out what they had how they had rigged that election. Okay. And so we started kind of a partnership in election integrity.
So, so when the November election after the November election, we got together, we started doing analyses, and we did analyses in Michigan, Georgia, and then in Maricopa County. And that’s, that’s kind of the short story. Okay. Anything else? She by may have missed something there.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 07:47
Yeah, Phil, maybe you can share with them? How? In our Echo, Mel is managing this project, I think on September 20, how you reached out to them to the medical professionals, and the fact that you didn’t get any response. And we still haven’t gotten a response in the your call to them, again, in the interest of having conversation, especially when we saw the duplicate issue. Phil.
Phil Evans 08:06
Right. Right. So we had a discussion internally within our eco male group. And we decided to reach out to do anything we could to dispel any kind of unnecessary claims we did less than we wanted to do was to propagate hysteria about elections. So that’s what we did.
And after, you know, a few phone calls, and a few a couple of messages. We didn’t get any response. And then I think we were told by some other participants in the in the audit that that we probably wouldn’t get a phone call back from so that’s when we stop attempting to have any dialogue with them. Okay.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 08:48
Yeah, Phil, and then you you also reached out to them recently, right? To invite them to this event.
Phil Evans 08:54
Yes. reached out yesterday, went through their phone maze. Finally got to their, their media relations person. I don’t know if that’s her official title. But and then we sent them a, an email and in a special number just for them that they could call into this forum here and we can have an open discussion.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 09:15
Thanks, Phil. Hey, Phil, look into the camera. I think people like to see your handsome face. Okay. All right. So anyway, Phil, it’s good to have you. But the important point here is Phil called several times. The media attempted to put out essentially did misinformation, the definition of which is false statements saying that we hadn’t tried.
In fact, we have an affidavit which we’ve also filed with the Attorney General’s Office from another audit team member who tried to reach out to run back the organization who does the scans and people that asserted that we should reach out to them understand these processes, by the way, which was not the scope of our audit, and we’ll talk about that.
And the runback, co wrote back to that. audit team member and said, You know, I essentially am paraphrasing this, you need to go to the Maricopa County officials. Okay, he couldn’t answer questions directly. So we want to just level set to everyone in frankness and honesty that our team and I also know the other audit team members have sought to have cooperative discussions with Maricopa County officials. And we still want to do that.
Because if we do not get down to the root cause of the anomalies, and I’m going to review those anomalies, we’re essentially perpetuating a divide a left right divide, which is unnecessary at this point in history, we have a unique opportunity to really bring this country together, if we can take an engineering systems approach.
So I just want to review for everyone, and we have john here, John’s, my system on my left, john will be opening up the call in lines, but we have open up the call on line sorry, john. So we have a special line that we set up for the Maricopa officials to call him with a special guest number that they could also call in. And we will shortly be opening up the line for any public press as we’re waiting, because again, we want people to recognize that we’re looking at is an engineering system.
When you find a problem, whether it’s smaller, large, insignificant or monumental. In engineering, you talk to any business person, when a customer comes in and says, Hey, I didn’t like the taste of this food, or you know, something doesn’t feel right over here, or the software doesn’t work, you don’t brand them a conspiracy theorist, you don’t say they’re, quote unquote, anti vaxxer, you don’t try to write them off as someone who is a fraud, right?
Because you’d be out of business. But it seems like in politics, or in partisanship, you can do that. And that’s unfortunate. And on this issue of election systems integrity, this country cannot go down that path. So we need to get the politicians out of the way, we need to get the media, frankly, out of the way unless they want to be supportive of open dialogue.
And it has to be direct channels of communication from people who have looked at the data with people who can answer that. So to level set that what I want to do is, I want to share with you a couple of important, just review what we actually went over, I’m not going to review the entire piece, I’m going to give you a summary. And we’re going to highlight some of the anomalies, because our goal here is to get to the bottom of the facts here.
Okay, so hopefully everyone can see this. And Phil, can you see this? All right. So let me just walk people through this. This is by the way, the the report we gave. And you notice, it’s a very scientific approach we took it’s called pattern recognition, classification of early voting ballot return on envelope images, I want to just be clear that we were focused not on the entire audit, but on a piece of the audit to look at the return on envelope images, for signature presence detection, okay, we’re not doing signature verification, we’re not looking anywhere else on the envelope, we’re looking at a very specific region.
And again, you notice the subtitle says an engineering systems approach to identify anomalies, to advance integrity of US election processes. Alright, so let me just so at that high level, Phil, I’m just gonna mute you for a second, if you can mute yourself, though a little bit of noise coming in.
So the key here is that at a high level, the the the main point point I want to make is that the main thing we need to understand for everyone to appreciate is that the, that the envelope is the key here, okay, that’s the beginning of this process, in many ways, okay. Someone requests a mailing envelope, or a melon ballot, and they get a package sent to them, which contains an envelope, okay, that envelope is called the early voting ballot, you know, envelope, and on that envelope, they’re supposed to sign their name.
And sometimes they can put their phone number an area called phone number, and even dated. So if there’s any issues, the officials can call that phone number, and we’ll look at one of them. But what we want to understand is that our envelope is a protective sheath in which the ballot travels in. So the ballot is only as good as an envelope.
All right, so we need to understand that the ballot is only as good as the integrity of that envelope, which means if fill filled out the envelope, then when it goes to be processed, we want to make sure it was filled who filled out that envelope not somebody else, okay. So the envelope is critical here. It’s we’re sharing in this image here, okay. So that’s called the early voting ballot return on envelope. That’s really the protective vehicle.
The next step we want to recognize again, is that the verification the authentication of the signature on that odd envelope is critical to the reliability of this process, okay? So that envelope is only as good as your ability to verify that signature. Did this person that Phil Evans send it in? Or did someone else send it in? Okay, again, very simple basics that we want to talk about, because this is a very complicated engineering systems process.
The next thing is, what our audit revealed, at a fundamental level is that the anomalies that we discovered, raise questions on the verifiability, no pun intended here of the signature verification process the entire process. So there’s a significant opportunity, again, this is not something bad, we have an opportunity to enhance this process.
By understanding the process, getting full disclosure on the standardized operating procedures, how were the signatures verified, and again, we came to this conclusion by the scope of audit that we were given. So at a very high level, what my life has been about has been looking at what we call pattern recognition, let me just explain this field a little bit, Phil knows about this. But in the world of pattern recognition, you are looking at data coming in from the real world.
And then you’re attempting to use that data, to try to classify the thing that you’re looking at whether it’s in a abnormal state of behavior, or what whether it’s an A normal state of behavior. So when you want when you look at this diagram here, that’s what we’re saying, we have reality, the reality could be the election process, we’re getting data, and we’re attempting to use the signal from this data to understand what’s going on.
So again, to those people, unfortunately, the media through their misinformation disinformation, they frankly do not value the engineering skill that it takes to do this process. My life has been about this for many years. Back in 1978, when I was a 14 year old kid, I started doing research working as a full time research fellow at Rutgers University. Looking at sleep patterns of babies, again, this is a signal, this is the actual system, and you’re trying to figure out the abnormal states of sleep, where the baby could have an apnea and the normal states, okay?
speech deafblind people communicate using their hands on your face. Again, you can understand how they’re doing this, we’re looking at the map the signals from the mouth, again, these are signals, and you’re trying to understand the reality of what’s going on.
Many years, when I was at MIT, we looked at signals coming from bridges, 50,000, bridges in the United States are falling apart, you don’t have time to open them all up, but you look at the signals, and you try to understand what’s going on in the bridge without having to blow up the bridge or destroy it, whether it’s the deck is cracking, or whether there’s a rebar having an issue, etc. Same thing with aircraft wings for many years for my master’s work, we would get signals from composite materials, try to categorize them to understand what’s going on in that wing.
Again, this is called pattern analysis. For three years, I worked on a project to do handwriting recognition on bank checks, where you’re looking at the courtesy amount, you’re trying to figure out what’s in there. And here, you have to be very accurate, because if you’re off by a decimal point, you could be taking out more money or less money from someone’s account.
And then some of you may know I did, I wanted the project to win the White House competition for analyzing email when Bill Clinton was in office. And there we were analyzing email messages to understand how to route them if there are threats or those kinds of things. And we built that to the company we have today.
Echo mail, and then more recently with my work which cytosol where we look at combinations of ingredients, and we can figure out will those combinations alleviate disease or biological processes like inflammation, again, these are pattern recognition processes. But here we’re looking at reality and a model.
Again, if you simple example, in your case, you go to the cardiologist, you have a model of the heart, you have normal states of your heart patterns. And these are abnormal states, okay. Now, when it comes to the AVB, early voting ballots systems, where the signal that we have are the AVB return on envelope images, because frankly, we don’t, we didn’t have the luxury of going back to getting the entire process, right, we can’t, there’s no movie here where everything was photographed.
So what we’re doing here is trying to understand what took place after the fact by looking at these return on envelope images. Alright, and this is one of those return envelopes. this area’s where phone number goes, this is where the signature goes, the name of the voter is typically up here. Again, these are regions that what what they’re used for sometimes people may sign elsewhere, but and we’ll talk about that was in the scope of our exercise.
Again, this is the area that we were interested in our scope of our audit was do your rocket science to find the signature region and then in that signature region, figure out what’s in there and then categorize it Okay, so the categorization we did was in that again, only in the signature region people may have written elsewhere and the media again spreading misinformation so Oh, there was a signature here Here you didn’t find it.
That wasn’t the scope of our audit. The scope of the audit was look in this box, extract the box and see what’s in the box. Because it clearly says, Please sign within the box. So obviously there are people who don’t know how to follow directions, or they may have other issues that they may do elsewhere. But that occurs later in a process called hearing.
Okay. But our job was to look at that signature region. Find out if that region, okay, had a signature, okay, and we’ll come back to this process. It could be blank, it could be a likely blank. And it would be it could be a scribble. So we were asked to categorize into one of these four areas, normal state abnormal state. JOHN, do we have any calls coming in from the officials?
No. Okay. So, by the way, today, Maricopa officials, we invite you to join us, we’re going to be getting to the anomaly shortly. So this is the signal that we’re looking at. All right. Now, before we go into what we did, let’s look at what the Maricopa officials data that they had. This is their voter education report. So what I want to share with you here is after the election occurred, they filed a formal report called a canvas report ca and VA SS report where they are reporting the actual votes.
Now remember, there were two ways people multiple ways people could vote actually, they could vote in person, they could do provisional votes. And then we call early voting ballots. And there’s six different ways it could have done these early voting ballots, which we’ll review shortly. But 9291 to 92% of all the ballots cast in Maricopa County, came through the early voting ballots, again, 91 to 92 of the ballots came through the early voting ballots, quite a significant number over 1.9 million.
So when we go to this data here, what you’ll notice here is that you’ll see that this was their voter report that they put out. So let’s look at this. So this is in 2020, which are focused on they had about 80.5% turnout, the total ballots, early ballots that people requested were 2.16041 2 million. The early voting voting ballots verified and accounted for counted were 1,915,487.
Those are the ones that were counted and verified. But if you want to look at all the early voting ballots they got you’d have to add 587 141 455934 because they 587, which they said the signatures didn’t match 1455, which they said that there were no signatures on the envelope.
And late returns were Niner and 34. So if you really look at this, to be clear, again, this is basic counting 1,000,009 or an 18,463 where the total number of unique early voting ballots that were processed, okay, meaning that those are the ones that were set, including the verified and the counted.
All right. So and that’s how the numbers look, you may just want to look at that. Phil, do you have any thoughts on this? Go we can’t hear you have done mute.
Phil Evans 23:08
On right with Yeah.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 23:09
Okay, good. So everyone with that said, this was we’re sharing here is the data that was reported we have somebody john All right. Uh, is it a caller? Okay, so let’s just hold we’ll hope so we have a caller from Pima calling. Okay. So what we see here is the total number of on envelopes that came in total unique would have been this, right.
So if you just use the math, if there were this many total number of total ballots, we must have had at least this many total unique envelopes. All right. And this would have been, you subtract out the nose signature ballots, these were the ones that they went through their verification process. Echo mail was brought in for the signature presence detection. But these are the Maricopa numbers.
All right, at the end of the day, 1,915,487 were verified and counted. All right. Now, let’s review the process. As I mentioned here, this is an engineering systems process. stuff comes in, it goes through a process. And at the end of it, you have the ballots, which are tabulated and counted.
What the cyber ninja group was hired to do was to count their the ballots the paper ballots, and to look at how they measured but just be clear, by that time, by the time you’re counting that you don’t really have a visibility on all the other processes that took place unless you have access to all the standard standardized operating procedures, which should, which is one of the things that we believe should be disclosed from an engineering standpoint.
So the cyber ninjas team was looking at the numbers here, which they found were frankly close to what was reported. But if we’re looking at anomalies, we need to look upstream in that process. Alright. So let’s look at what that process is. Well, first of all, the voter submits early voting ballot, right? And the EDB return, envelopes are scanned into images.
Okay. Now what’s fascinating is filled, let me bring you in, I think people need to recognize that the run back is the organization which does a scanning, and there may be others. But as we understand that’s an organization we came to find out in the middle of our process. We have an affidavit from an audit team member saying that when they attempted to talk to the CEO of run back, they diverted it back to the Maricopa officials.
So when we put out our audit report, we noticed there was a stamp. And we’ll get to this that was occurring behind the triangle. And we also found examples where occurred in front. So the press obviously, spreading disinformation, said Oh, Dr. Shiva is ignorant. He didn’t understand the process, etc.
And these are compressed images filled that anyone tells us these were compressed images before we got the images. No, yeah, in fact, no one in the Arizona Senate, as we know knew that, in fact, our liaison didn’t know that. But the good news is because we brought that up. Now the world knows that Maricopa officials take the original scans and they compress them.
And the question now is why aren’t you saving high resolution images? That’s the question. Right? But to assert that, well, you didn’t know that they were compressed, I think is frankly, not in the spirit of trying to understand what’s going on, because and so we wrote back 19 other questions to the discovery that they compress images, because their point is that when they compress these images, you get this anomaly where the stamp appears behind.
But we have found examples where the stamp actually appears above some of the small triangles, and we’ll share that. So the issue comes in, what is your process? Can the images be altered? Who has access to these images? Why did you do the compression? Why are you compressing? Now the claim is that we want to save money.
Well, I’ve rarely heard, frankly, politicians want to save money, you know, particularly, you know, every party has their view, but these days to destroy space is not that expensive, Phil, how much would have been? I mean, we have about 1.99 summon images, if they’re compressed versus uncompressed, the amount of disk drive space wouldn’t have been that much more, I’m sure. For a few $1,000 more the citizens of Arizona would have funded that.
Okay. But the point is, we don’t have high resolution images, we have the compressed form. Okay. It may be fine. But the issue is, most of the public did not know about this process. I surely didn’t. And many of the people at the Arizona State Senate didn’t either. But anyway, that’s an important point want to bring up that these are compressed images.
Now there are six different types of return on both formats. There’s not just one, there’s six different kinds, okay. And then there are the standardized ones. There’s three different kinds for the military and overseas people, there’s one for people who have trouble seeing large print format, and there’s one for people are Braille.
So here’s, for example, there’s that one, there’s this one for what we call the yukawa ballots, or the yukawa wants type A, we call them we call this type B, type C, these are for people out of the country, typically, and these are for large print, and these are for the Braille. So there’s multiple kinds that what we did is we added up all of the images that were given to us in our disk drive.
Okay. So just to be precise here. Echo mal was provided a disk drive from the Arizona Senate who got them from America officials with all the return on envelope images. Okay. All of them. The military, the overseas, a large print plus the majority and what you’re seeing here, is that count, okay. It includes everything 1,000,929 and 240.
Okay, so these are all the odd envelope images, okay. that are associated with the early voting ballots. What we did then was we noticed something interesting, Phil, I think we were a little bit surprised, right? Because when we saw the duplicates, because we didn’t we weren’t notified that there were duplicates in those images. Sure.
So So our team, what we did was we then extracted the duplicate, okay. And so we identified there were sometimes one person sent, you know, there was two duplicates, and associated with that person to be precise, what we learned is that they do a process called curing, okay, and we’ll talk about this. So one voter could be associated with two ballot images.
There were cases where one voter is associated with three ballot images and not ballot images, the envelope return envelope images and there were cases. In fact, we found it, I think about four people who are associated with for early voting ballot return on vote images to be precise.
Okay. And we’ll we’ll come to that. So in fact, the two copy duplicates, we noticed that there were 16,934, two copy duplicates, which would mean 33,868 images, okay, from 16,934 unique voters, we noticed there were 188 unique voters, which submitted three copy duplicates.
So to be told 376 duplicates, right, but a total images of 564. And there were four individuals unique people who submitted 12 sorry, 16 images, 12 of them, which were duplicate. Okay. So the net of it is, to be clear, there were 17,126 unique voters, among which who submitted either to copy duplicate three, copy, duplicate, sir for for total of 17,322, early voting, ballot, return on envelopes, duplicate images, okay. That’s the right precise thing.
Okay. So what we had to do is obviously, we had to take all the images that we had, subtract out these to get the total number of unique EBV returned on bloap images. Alright, so again, to be clear, what we’re looking at here is, we’re just doing basic math, basic accounting, you don’t need to go to MIT for this. But the basic accounting here is that we are finding that when you remove the duplicate images, you find 1,000,911, and nine or an 18,000, unique, early voting ballot return on both images.
So let’s go back to our central principle, right. So the central principle is we have that number. Okay. We have that number of unique, early voting ballot return on both images. So Phil, you’ve been like you’ve been listening like a good student. So Phil, how many? How many early voting ballots should we then have?
Phil Evans 32:25
A wish should have the same number of ballots as we have envelopes,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 32:28
right? So we should have, again, very simple, very simple math. Because again, these, all of these images we got from the recorders office, if they are following engineering systems processes, which means every ballot, every return envelope was imaged, which is what we got. This is what the citizens of Arizona paid us $50,000 to do this.
So we don’t want to waste people’s money. But we were given those early voting ballot return on both images to analyze. And when we pull out the duplicate images, we have 1,911,918 unique onboard, so we should have that many number of early voting ballots, right? Everyone agreed? Let’s see if everyone’s listening. Everyone agreed online. All right. All right.
All right. So what do we actually have? All right, let’s go back to the numbers here. All right. So by the way, we we remove those and then we did our signature presence detection process, the saffron pieces, what we were hired for, okay, we were hired to do this process.
Okay. Now, we had to determine once for all of these different ballot types, this process, okay, so remember, our scope of our audit was to extract that signature area, apply our algorithms, our detection algorithms to find that and then look in that to see if one of these categories fit in.
By the way, if there were 0% non white pixel density that was a blank, okay. So blank is there’s nothing in that region 0% it likely blank is anything greater than 0%. but less than or equal to point 1% of non white pixel density, okay? The the scribble is anything greater than point 1%, up to 1%. And a signature is anything greater than 1%. So we’re, again, we’re not doing deep signature analysis.
We weren’t hired to do that. But this was just to get a feel of you know, what’s going on in that signature region. All right. Now, just to again, make it clear when signature verification takes place. A reviewer is literally looking at the envelope signature on a screen. They have, as we understand, again, we’d like to get the processes.
They’re looking at the signature that’s been given to them from the voter registration files, and Through apparently a 27 point process. The reviewer many of them volunteers have to look at this and look at this and find out if they’re the same. I find it quite amazing. They’re able to do it.
Okay. Interesting enough, the Atlantic journal, as well as the, the LA Times have said that this is a witchcraft process. And this is ripe for error. That’s some people may consider that the left magazine’s, but even people on the right have said this. So signature verification is quite fascinating. But we weren’t doing signature verification here, we were just looking at, is there a signature present in the box? That’s where it’s supposed to go? Okay, that’s the scope of the audit.
So those in the press need to understand that the scope of the audit, we weren’t looking for signatures elsewhere. The scope of the audit was right in that box. Okay, to be clear, so let’s go back. So that’s what we did, okay. And obviously, then it goes into signature verification, all right, and then the envelopes are open. So just to be clear, the envelopes are open and tabulated only if you verify that signature is associated with that person, there’s not a blank signature wasn’t a late return.
All right. So what we did for signature presence detection, I mean, I’m not going to walk you through, but this is sort of the, the capabilities, we did the the technology, we looked at the envelope, we classified it and one of the six, we remove the duplicates, then we did the classification, based on there was different classifiers for each one of these envelope types.
And we ended up getting the signature analysis and this is what we found, okay, we found out among the non duplicates, right, the non duplicate. All right, there were 2420 scribbles 1771 blanks in 101 likely blanks, obviously, the majority had a signature or something in them. To be clear. We don’t know if it was a signature because we’re only looking at pixel density, we would love to do the signature verification, all right. So that’s the results of that, okay.
Then we also did duplicate analysis. Remember, there were duplicates, some of them were you had in the duplicate images, there was a signature on one, no signature on the other, or signature and signature. And this apparently, we’ve come to learn is what occurs during the process called curing, in which the Maricopa officials are actually generating these duplicates.
And we will talk more about this. So we had these cases where you could have various combinations of signature with signature signature blank signature signature with a, you know, a scribble. That’s what the C denotes. The L denotes the likely blank. And then you have scribbles which could be a scribble with a blank scribble with a likely blank in the scribble with the scribble.
So s mean signature, B means blank. l means likely blank seat means scribble. And then you had examples, which you just said, blank and blank, blank and likely blank and likely blank, unlikely blank. Okay. So we again hear examples of those. Here’s an example. By the way, when we say phone number, there could have been anything there.
Okay, to clarify, there could have been a phone number, there could have been not a phone number there, someone may have written something there, they may have written their initials there, maybe even put a signature there. But we were looking in here, okay. So you notice, here’s an example of a duplicate, where it’s a signature, it’s signed and signed. So there is a signature here and a signature here, there is an example of where you could have a signature, and nothing here, okay.
I got a duplicate blank. Here’s an example where you have a signature, but a blank, likely blank here. Here’s an example where you have something signed here, but it becomes a scribble over here. Here’s an example you’re looking at it, you have a scribble here and something here.
And again, one of the press tried to do a hit job saying Aha, you’re trying to hide something, there’s something underneath there. Well, that’s where a phone number is supposed to go. That’s why you put phone number, okay? There may be something there may not be. But again, our job was to look in here. And here’s an example of a scribble here, and a a likely blank here, but the scribble was being approved. Again, nothing else is here.
So you have various cases like this, okay, among the duplicate, so here’s a scribble and scribble. And the scribble here is being approved during this curing process. Here’s an interesting example where you have a blank and a blank, you don’t have phone numbers, you have a date, and this is also being approved. All right.
And then here’s another example where you have a blank and unlikely blank, so so on, you have all these different kinds of examples here, because there may have been something here which extended here, this was categorized as a likely blank using per this scope of the audit. So we added all these up, we found out there were 155 scribbles among the two copy duplicate 45 blanks, no signatures among the two copy duplicates, and those were our numbers.
And then we in fact found some examples of blanks among three copy duplicate. Alright, so the final results that we have are 1000 Under 19 blanks, we have 2580 scribbles. So when we do our analysis out of the 1929 240 images that we got, these were the unique images 1,000,911, nine or 19,000. And if we were to apply our algorithms, you would have ended up with 1907419. Okay. So, by way of comparison, this is what we have.
Okay? So I’m on this column here, column two is the echo analysis. column three is a Maricopa, the key thing we notice here is we don’t the Maricopa people did not report duplicate, duplicate images. Okay. We think it’s important to report that they’re saying that they cured these therefore they there’s no reason to report them.
Again, it’s a process that no one else in the world knows except the Maricopa officials. Here we have the unique early voting ballot return envelopes. Okay, how many we have, and they don’t match with the total number of early voting unique ballots that these two numbers fill? This is what you were talking about, right? These two numbers need to be exact.
Right? Right. So what we’re finding here, the key anomaly is that the Maricopa numbers have 6545 more early voting ballots than the envelopes associated with them. Okay, so that’s the big takeaway. You also notice that they This is how many bad signatures and we weren’t asked to do this. But you could argue that if you look at our scribbles, and all these scribbles were bad signatures, we’d have about three times more.
Okay. So here’s the first anomaly. Okay, that so we want to now we’re gonna open up our column lines, what I’m going to do is, I’m going to put on our banner, the call in numbers, so anyone can call in? Is that the right number? JOHN? 857957954 or five? Yeah, I’m sorry. 857-997-9545.
So we want to invite we have a special number for the Maricopa County officials. They haven’t called him yet have they done. We also have a number for the public and the press. And please call in. And when I when I go to the phones, we’ll be picking them up.
Okay. But the first thing we want to talk about here is the first anomaly we want to point out is Maricopa officials reported only 587 bad signatures. So what do we mean by bad signatures? The bad signatures mean that someone is looking at a early voting return envelope and image. They’re looking at the voter registration image, right. And they’re comparing this image signature with this signature.
Now apparently, they’re supposed to compare her I think was 27 points, right? 27 points on this 120 some odd. Now we’ve heard various things. And these are again, we haven’t seen affidavits, but we’ve heard through the grapevine, frankly, be nice to get that the the 27 point was relaxed to 20.4 point because things weren’t matching.
And some people even claimed that it went to nothing. Now, so you’re taking a reviewer, many volunteers and after review this signature with this. And according to Maricopa County, when things didn’t match, then they would cure it, they would call the person on a phone or try to reach them.
And after all of those processes, out of the 1.9 million plus early voting return envelopes, they found only 587 as we’re seeing here, where the signatures did not match, which means three one hundredths of a percent. Okay point oh, three 1%. And remember, these are their numbers of the early voting ballots, which are against 6545 more ballots and envelopes.
So to give you an idea, this means there’s only one bad signature of every 3268. And if you took ballots, which were point one millimeters in height, and you line them up, that went up, that would go up to 630 feet. And then that would be the size of the arch of St. Louis, Missouri. fell, we calculate that to be exactly 630 feet, right?
Phil Evans 44:12
That’s right. It’s under 30 feet. Yeah. And then
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 44:15
but the size of the, I’m sorry, this is 587 bad signatures. You know what I’m going to do? This is 587. So everyone know make, make a note of that. But that would be about 2.31 inches, okay? So we’re looking at a very, very small fraction of bad signatures. Okay. So that’s the first anomaly we want to discuss. And this is, I think, a new opportunity for a systems analysis because you are, again, the left, be at the Atlantic go, you can look it up and it’s called the signature verification process witchcraft, the LA Times that said it’s right for people on the right of attacted.
So left and right in the mainstream media both agreed the signature verification process is, frankly, a very difficult, and it’s a process that we need to scientifically. We need to scientifically analyze and review. Which means we don’t know what the confidence level is. And now we have the scientific methodologies, we have those tools to allow us to do that.
But this is one of the areas that must be done and Maricopa offers us the opportunity to do that. We have the images, if we can get the registration signatures, we can compare them and come up with a mathematical metric of the trustworthiness of this process.
Okay, so that’s the first thing. The second thing we want to talk about is the second anomalies. We have 6000 are Maricopa has 6545 more early voting ballots, which means a ballot, then the envelope images, return envelope images. Fill any comments on this. You need to unmute yourself
Phil Evans 45:59
on the previous subject we were talking about. I just wanted to mention something. Okay.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 46:03
Let me go to the previous episode. Go ahead, Phil. Okay, um,
Phil Evans 46:07
it’s important to note that we may, we may cover this later on in this session, but it’s important to note that in 2019, there was some legislation passed, and there was some they added some curing process, right? where they actually contact the voters. And so they are saying that that is why the the there’s such a low rate of ballots that weren’t approved, is because of the new legislation. Okay.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 46:34
Yeah. So So if those bring up an important point. So we had mentioned that in our report on page 99, we had said is this again, we have never accused anyone, we’ve asked for process questions. So we said Is this because of legislation, and recently, there was a note that came back saying there was some legislation that allowed them to call people, they gave them a little bit more time.
So that’s why the rates were low. But again, from a process standpoint, how did they call them? Are these call records stored somewhere? Who did they call in a process like this, where you’re curing a, you know, a number of votes, that could have significant effect on particular an election, which was, what 10,500 in that range? Right in the margin of error?
You would want to know, if you call them where the call logs what happened, right? Again, this is standardized operating procedure. We’re not accusing anyone. Again, from an engineering standpoint, we would love to see those call logs. How did those processes go? Okay. Phil, any other thing you want to add? No. Okay. So that’s really important here.
All right. Let’s, let’s continue. So that’s that’s the other anomaly here is this number. And I think this is probably for me, Phil, this is sort of the heart of the issue here. I mean, there’s many issues here. But this is a very significant point here, because you’re looking at 6545 more early voting ballots, okay.
Then the envelope images associated with them. So these numbers have to match. Okay, Phil, you run a business, I run a business, right? We we have auditors come in the assets and the liabilities and the equity all better tally up, okay. We are not requesting anything more than to say please let us know why these numbers aren’t matching.
They should match exactly. They should match perfectly. Either. We didn’t get all the images, either. Not all early voting ballots come in images. Okay. But that’s it’s a very simple answer. So to the we have almost about close to 35 3600 people listening today. So I would urge all of you to just recognize that this is not about left or right.
This is not about attacking anyone. We’re just asking. In the interest of the public in the interest of bringing this country together. Why are there 6545 more early voting ballots? Then the images? That’s the question, okay. Let me finish the anomaly shot and we’re going to take calls. Okay,
Phil Evans 49:17
good. Can I say one thing, Dr. Shiva? Yeah. I just wanted to point out another thing we may cover that in the latest round of back and forth between us and the Maricopa elections department, they essentially I’m paraphrasing here, they essentially said, we’re in the business of counting ballots, not envelopes.
Okay. And so they dismiss that difference. And I’m not I’m not saying anything other than what it is. That is their official position. Is that that maybe, maybe, maybe it doesn’t really matter is kind of what their position is.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 49:50
Yeah, and I think this is this is a very interesting point, though, that you’re making because cyber ninjas counted ballots, right. They counted the paper ballots at the end of April. process. So just to give sort of a layman’s way of doing it, let’s say you work in a cookie factory, right?
And you have problems with the cookies at the end of the process, and you’re just looking at the cookies at the end. And, and you’re comparing them to what someone else reported why everything may match up, okay? But if you want to find what the real issue is, you got to go way upstream.
Where did you know the flour come from? Where did the chocolate chips come from? Right? Did someone steal some of the stuff here? Did they throw in something in this process? Okay. And that’s where target this is an engineering systems process. And by the way, there are suddenly everyone saying, we’re going to do voter IDs and voter IDs are going to solve it, right?
Again, these are quick fixes. They’re opportunists politicians, right. And, you know, 34, states have voter IDs, frankly, hasn’t solved it. This is a systems process. You have to we as a public need to have transparent understanding of all of these systems processes. And I think, Phil, to your point, to state that we just count ballots, you know, basically Be quiet, you know, move along, there’s nothing to see here is not the right attitude.
This is why the Space Shuttle Challenger blew up. Okay. You had Alan McDonnell and Roger Bose lay who said, Hey, that o rang, has never been tested under these cold temperatures. And people said, move along, you know, you don’t know what you’re talking about. And we lost seven people’s lives.
One of them was a, someone I knew, and alumni at MIT, Ron McNair, okay. Little things matter. anomalies matter. And this is why we need to raise everyone’s consciousness beyond left or right. Beyond republican democrat, we’re talking about if you see an anomaly small or large, you welcome it, you embrace it, you don’t dismiss it.
And that’s why we wanted America officials here. Hi, I hope they come. Or even someone who wants to speak on their behalf. But the bottom line is, the envelopes do matter. And I think Phil, what you’re saying is they’re saying young gloves don’t matter.
Phil Evans 51:54
Right. And also wanted to say that, you know, we because all analyses that was done in this report, it just because it could be caused, okay, by legislation, okay? And new processes, okay.
Just because there’s a potential explanation doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t look at it under a microscope and get to the bottom of it, it could be, but it could also be caused by something else, it could be a could be a combination of all the different causes, too. But but but from our perspective, we can’t ignore it. Okay, we can’t just ignore it.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 52:31
Yeah, and someone just wrote divided States of America, look, when you have people not committed to solving a problem, again, any entrepreneur out there knows this, you get a customer complaining, you can’t say, you can’t call them names and hang up the phone.
And if you have customer service people doing that, you better fire them fast, you’re gonna be out of business. When we have people bring up an insignificant anomaly or a complex anomaly, Hey, why are those signature rates were low? Oh, shut the hell up. We had this legislation.
That’s why no, we need to understand the process. And this is the time to do that. Again, Maricopa offers as a historic opportunity to bring this country together. Alright, let’s continue. That was the second anomaly. Okay. The next one is, as the early voting ballots increase by 53%, so in 2016 to 2020, if you looked at, quote, unquote, mail in ballots, early voting ballots, we increased by 53%. But the bad signatures went down by 56%.
Okay. So for example, in 2016, you had one point around 1.2 million early voting ballots, and you had one in about 1500 signatures which didn’t match. But in 2020, you we’ve gone up by 50%, and you have less signature mismatch right. Now, Phil, I think you commented earlier, this is because of this new legislation, right?
Phil Evans 53:53
That’s what they’re claiming is correct.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 53:55
But my concern overall is I believe these are still very low mismatch rates in general. You know, if you talk to people in the industry who do forensic analysis of signatures, they take like six hours to look at a signature we have people spending I understand five to 10 seconds so I find it quite amazing that the signature rates are mismatch rates are this low and that’s why I think we need to do further research to get a metric on what it is independent of humans to do really a deep analysis because the ballot is only as good as the envelope which it travels in.
Right I don’t want to say that the glove don’t fit but if the bell is only as good as the envelope what you would do travels in Okay. All right. So let’s go back here, okay. By the way, again, right, the signature the ballots have gone up, the mismatch rates have gone down and this has gone down again, we consider this an engineering an anomaly. Maybe it’s fell if we saw this from an engineering standpoint, we’d say Wow, you there’s been some amazing process improvement. Right? Right. We’d still want to explore it right? Why that occurred?
Phil Evans 55:03
Absolutely. Absolutely. Shot alive. Oh, yep.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 55:07
There we go. Let’s go to the next anomaly. Okay. The interesting thing is there was no mention of duplicates in the Maricopa canvass report, right? So you don’t see mention of duplicates. Okay. And we want to talk about this. We to be very clear, we found in the data 17,226 voters send in two or more ballots, what we call duplicate, okay.
This is, when we say ballots we’re talking about there’s two or more ballot images, right? So the return on both images, and that’s the numbers that we’re looking at to be clear. And just to make it even more clear, okay. Just to make it more clear, these, this is a timing from October 19. Phil, do you want to describe this right here? This this sort of this data right here?
Phil Evans 56:00
Sure. Um, well, you’ve got you’ve got date on the x axis right there, and you’ve got the number of duplicates that came through on the y axis, okay, each day, okay. So you can clearly see a pattern every seven days, it goes through a cycle, okay. And it kind of continues that way.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 56:20
Yeah, and what you notice here is, but but the x axis is a number of early voting ballot return on bulbs that we have in our possession by the date stamp that was on them, okay. So these are and you notice that the highest was on October 14, okay, if this date is right, and nothing according to this came in after 11.
Five, okay, but there was a peak here. One of the people who put some disinformation out there, stated that, well, you know, all the early voting ballots came in on the date of the election, right rafter? Well, if you see this graph, that’s clearly not true. Okay. In fact, most of them came in here, this was the highest number.
Now, what we did was, as some of you may remember, we overlaid on this graph, which is this axis here, the blue, which is how many ballots are coming in. On those times, we overlay the blank scribbles in the duplicate on this axis. And you notice it’s pretty, it’s following the pattern except these duplicates, we’re calling duplicates here, okay?
And we find out is if you go in closer and you do the duplicate as a function of the ballots, you get this sudden peak here. Okay? So what are these duplicates? Let’s discuss these, what we have come to find out that it is the Maricopa officials, when they do curing when things don’t add up, when they’re finding someone signature, and they find a blank, they’re calling the people.
And they have a process, which is quite interesting. They take the original physical envelope. In fact, we’ve heard two things write fill in one response, they said they don’t use a physical envelope. And another they say they use the images, and then they put the stamp on it.
Okay, that’s called curing. What’s fascinating is it looks like most of this curing took place after election day, right? That’s what we see in this graph. So and we have put forward the question, why is curing taking place? Why isn’t curing occurring throughout this process? Why are we waiting to do? It looks like the predominant amount of the curing over here. Okay. That’s the question. Phil, do any thoughts on that?
Phil Evans 58:32
Oh, well, I mean, we we knew when we did the analyses that there could be a natural explanation for it. Okay. Again, it doesn’t mean it is or it isn’t. We’re just but it’s an anomaly that we have to explore.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 58:45
It’s an anomaly that needs to be explored. And it can be frankly, addressed, if we have the standardized operating procedures, maybe the standardized operating procedure, America official says, You wait until here and you cure everything, okay?
You don’t do it here, maybe because it’s a manpower, etc. but nearly 25% of the duplicate early voting return on globe images were made here at this period. Okay, where the curing occurred, and I believe it was close to 7000 votes when you look in this area right here, okay. So it’s a significant number of votes.
And then the fifth anomalies that we have duplicate blanks were verified and approved. Now again, one of the press said, Oh, you know, there were signatures written elsewhere on the envelopes, right? There were signatures other places. Aha, we got you guys. Well, remember, Echo mail was hired to look in the signature region, not every other place. However, we went beyond the scope of our audit.
And we also looked we found ballots are envelopes which are completely blank everywhere, which were also verified and approved. I want to share that with people. Again, this is an anomaly that we want to understand. So here is the is they duplicate this was probably the original one, they call them, but then they verified and approved this, okay. But there is no signature.
Now, I’m a little bit confused on this film because I’ve heard from statute there has to be at least a signature to prove this. Okay. But you seem completely blank wants in this. So this was the original the person that that apparently they cured it created the duplicate image and this was approved. Here’s another example of it. Here’s another example. And another example, and so on. Okay.
Now, the most interesting one. Again, this was something we discovered. And we weren’t, again hired to do this, we were very interested in starting to understand other anomalies. But we found various examples. Now we’re up to close to about 20. We have 22, or more examples of think about this situation, you fill lives at a household, okay.
And he has Phil Evans has his name. He has an address, let’s say one main street. And he has not only one voter ID, but he has two voter IDs. quite fascinating. Phil has two voter IDs, exact same name, exact same address. Okay. And what we have is we have signatures that look pretty similar.
So we now have 22 examples of what appears to be the same person at the exact same address where the signatures match, and both of those voter id votes are counted. Okay. Does everyone understand? Phil, do you want to repeat that to everyone? So they understand we’re talking about? Yeah,
Phil Evans 1:01:39
yeah, you’ve got what appears to be the same person with two different voter IDs. Let’s just get to the point here. Okay. And the reason we think is the same person is because the signatures either Are Dead Ringers or they’re extremely close. Okay, so this is probably as close to election or vote fraud is we’ve seen in all the all the images that we’ve looked at.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:02:04
Yeah, so we have Yes, so this is like something quite profound. And unfortunately, you know, the media they know this is their fill I don’t think one news story is even touched this in fact, none of the responsive American they haven’t touched this, they don’t want to touch this one.
Phil Evans 1:02:21
For obvious reasons, okay. Um, but yeah, this this looks, you know, we could we could sit here and we could theorize what what could be I mean, I thought, well, maybe it’s a, you know, a mother or a father and a son and, and the father can’t handwrite or something like that. But if one person is signing for both of them, but but it doesn’t look good. Okay.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:02:45
Okay. Yeah, so we can’t reveal these names. But we’ve sent these to the Attorney General of Arizona so we have you know, it’s so for example, john doe a signature In fact, john doe is a signatures here, you have john doe, his phone number. In fact, we have cases where the phone numbers also match, and the names and the addresses to voter IDs, and we found both were counted because we bounced them against the VM 50 fives.
So and we have multiple examples. You have Jane Doe, we can’t show the signatures. Unfortunately, they’re pretty cool to look at, but we can’t show them. The next one. We have his again, this is a verified and approved stamp. Okay, this, this hit the media everywhere, right? We found this very interesting phenomena where the verified approved stamp was behind.
And the press said, haha, we’ve caught you guys are ignorant, you guys are stupid. You don’t understand the signature process. We know we do compression of images, it will always occur behind the triangles. Okay. And that’s, for the first time we knew the images were compressed, which would seem like which everyone should know.
Obviously, we don’t know, the Senate doesn’t know most of the public doesn’t know I don’t think anyone except probably, maybe probably I’m gonna say like 10 people, okay, in the world, probably no, okay. But we also found so and they said, See the sick, the stamp will always occur behind the triangle. Well, that’s also not true either.
Okay, because we found case what appears in front end and back. So here it appears behind. Here we have an example right here, if you look in the upper left, where it is occurring, above and behind, okay. So again, what we’re talking about is and the anomaly here as well, these were all black. And when you do go into binary format, they’ll go behind, but that’s not appearing to be the case here or here. Okay, here, it’s going behind. So again, this is again, an anomaly.
And we’re going to, I’m going to switch away from here. The point here is, and there are other anomalies. Okay, the great point, the great opportunity we have here is we have identified wonderful anomalies, we have starting to expose this very, very hidden process, frankly. And in an audit, you’re supposed to expose all of these processes.
And so that’s what we really wanted to bring it Exactly 105 tim Canova should be joining us. We want to make sure that we take in some calls john, let’s take the first person. Okay. Let’s take the first person’s call that the first person who came in first john, go ahead. You know? Hello, who do we have?
Hello, my name is Teacher.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:05:24
Teacher. Can you speak a little bit louder? Go ahead.
Yeah, I don’t know if this is something you’re able to speak on. But you know, in these ballots, signatures and questions tend to favor one over another.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:05:42
Oh, so So your question is does does a signature repeat that again, favor? Oh, your your time. repeat again?
Do any of these ballot signatures in question? Is the ballot tend to favor one candidate over another or get it tend to be 5050? Yeah, that’s
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:06:06
a great question. So let me so the question here is, did any of these questionable signatures? For example, the duplicates? Are these did they favor one candidate over the other? I’ll give you my position on this look. It’s a fascinating question.
Because if we had access to the batches in which those votes were accumulated, we could frankly give you a number, okay. But there was a very interesting article in The New York Post about a guy who says he used to steal ballots, right on envelopes for that was his, quote, unquote, job. And he says the key here is the envelopes. Because once you get the envelopes to the envelope, let’s say you have 1000 envelopes that are written by Democrats, right?
And 1000 on those being submitted by Republicans, but if you can get their envelopes, you can put in whatever you want. Okay? So it may look like right, the votes are coming in from this person, because you can only tell the vote by a Democrat or Republican. But once the ballot is changed inside it, you can you know, if I were cheating, I would probably distribute all the votes for a candidate across all the types of candidates, you follow what I’m saying?
So if there’s 100, there’s 100. households were Democrat, 100 households or republican and 100. Households or independents, you would technically steal all those on envelopes equally. And you would put let’s say you wanted candidate X to win, okay?
Because that’s how you would hate it. So the issue is, it’s the envoy Lopes here, in my position, it’s way upstream, if there’s going to be a concerns or let’s say fraud taking place, right. So yeah, so I think people would be very smart to distribute that. All right, thank you.
Thank you. Next question, john. Was that Pima? Oh, you should go and take the earliest one, john. She got Oh, she Okay. Let’s take the next person. By the way, anyone can call in the call in numbers right there. 857997954 or five. Let me see if Tim Canova is on his way. Yeah. All right. Who do we have?
Oh, it’s me. How are you?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:08:27
Good. What’s your Where are you from?
I’m from Texas.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:08:32
Okay, so go ahead. What’s your question? And remember, focus a question. Maricopa audit. Go ahead.
Yes. Regarding the general generalization of the election, if we’re supposed to be add non certain state nation, why do we use the term as crap error and nonsensical child use? Words tossed in to make it sound like were they supposed to use witchcraft to make the elections win?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:09:07
Yeah, that’s a great question. Um, thank you. So let me answer that that word. You can Google right now. And I’ll probably Google it. I’ll bring it up for you. That was a word that was used by the Atlantic journal.
And that was a words that were used by the Los Angeles Times in their headline articles. If someone just wants to Google right now, I will probably try to find it for you. They use those terms. It wasn’t you know, the right wing using these terms or the left wing.
These terms were used by the Atlantic to refer to signature verification. Okay. So that is not my terminology. That is a term that was used by the Atlantic when they were saying that signature verification is a witchcraft. In fact, I’ll bring it up for you if you want to see it.
Would you like to see that? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that is not my reason. Yeah. Yeah. So let me bring this up. In fact, I’ll bring up both articles. Coming from the LA Times ripe for error if you type it in signature matching, I’m doing it right now just to let you know this is not a left or right issue.
This was the left newspapers who said that signature verification is so let me bring it up right here. I got it, I just cued it up. So if you look right here, we share my screen here. I’ll go to the right, tab here. Okay,
there we go.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:10:27
If you can see right here. So this is this is right out of the Los Angeles Times, they are saying signature verification is flawed. Everyone say this, do you see that this was not my term. Okay. And so again, this is a these are not right wing fanatic saying this, these are your traditional mainstream left media saying valid signature verification is flawed, okay.
And then here is from the esteemed Atlantic, a very esteemed newspaper journal saying signature matching, which one expert described as witchcraft could lead to 1000s of legitimate ballots being thrown out. Okay. So that’s what I want to do. Yeah, you’re welcome.
Yeah. Thank you very much for asking that because I wanted to let everyone know this is not a left to right issue. That’s why I pointed that because people sometimes try to categorize people who want to stop early voting ballots is left wing or right wing. This is a a left journal. Let’s take one more than one bring Tim Canova. Go ahead. What do we got john? Hi, who do we have?
This is Mike a Cleveland.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:11:40
Hi, Mike. How are you?
I’m doing great. Dr. Shiva. Thank you. I my question is, with regard to the scale. You had blank scribble in signature, and the signature was anything above like point one. darkspace.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:11:53
One prints at 1% 1% 1%? Yeah. So it’s a very low tolerance. You know, it’s it’s a very low tolerance.
That’s my question. The blank is zero. There’s nothing in this space. Yeah. And scribble is just basically any kind of one or two pixels. That seems Yeah, so
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:12:10
we had blank, which is 0%. We did a likely blank. 0% Plus, but less than point 1%. A scribble is point 1%. but less than 1%. Yeah, so we just you’re bringing up a great point, we set these thresholds very low. So for anything to be a signature, we weren’t asked to do signature verification, right, which we can do, right?
You’re you’re bringing a very good point to let everyone know, we were being super, super, super conservative or liberal. And what we considered a signature, anything greater than a pixel density of 1% was considered a signature. You’re absolutely
right. That’s that’s amazingly low. I mean, some of that the the likely signature is no threshold. Any mark with intent to authenticate is a signature, but just a smudge would qualify Exactly.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:13:01
Yeah. So you’re bringing up the point. So too, that’s why I’m saying even if you look at our low threshold, we found nearly 2500, were scribbles. Okay. In that signature region. Now the officials and others have argued, well, they put the signature somewhere else we fix that during the curing, okay. Again, this needs to be fully investigated.
But the point is, to your point, it’s a it’s a brilliant point you’re making we kept that threshold very low. So that’s why signature verification, that’s why I want to bring up that Atlantic article in the LA Times article. It’s ripe for error. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have how many people were waiting? JOHN? Five. Okay, let’s 10 we’re gonna bring in a couple more people because some people have been waiting long. Go ahead. Let’s go ahead. Hi, how are you?
Who do we have? Hello. Hello. Yes. Hi. Please ask your question concerning the Maricopa audit. Hello. Let’s go next. Okay, we’ll take one other question. We have about four more people waiting. We just want to make sure we’re being respectful to the people waiting. Hi, who’s this?
Hey Dr. Shiva. My name is Brian.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:14:19
Hi, Brian. Where are you from?
Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:14:23
Okay, great to have you. We’re gonna have Tim Canova from Florida. Yeah.
Awesome. My question is my question is this. There was testimony during a hearing in Maricopa County where they talked about days after the election. truckloads of ballots coming in from run back. In your testimony, you said that you noticed more anomalies after November 3.
And I was wondering if you look into the processes with run back because we did felt allegedly that run back stores the mail in ballots at their facility. Until it’s time to transfer to the med tech. So I was wondering if you looked into that at all?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:15:06
Yeah, it’s a great question you’re asking, right. So the interesting the answer to that question is, we have not had an opportunity. I mean, we’ve been, you want to just, you want to just cut them down? No, no worries, all answered. So we haven’t had the opportunity to, you know, go through any of that, okay.
Because, you know, we’ve been heavily involved in this analysis, we would love to speak to run back, but I just want to share with you an interesting note, because one of the audit team members, you know, people were critical, hey, how come you haven’t reached out to run back? Why don’t you talk to them? Okay. And I just want to share with you, if I can bring this up, I can pull this off here. Okay. Let me share with you.
The pushback that our audit team member got when they attempted to reach out to run back. Okay, I think I have it here. So I don’t know if you can see this letter. And this is for everyone to see, again, we’re being in full disclosure. Okay.
This was a letter that was sent to Jeff Ellington, who is the president and CEO run back. And this says, oh, someone’s saying, try to repeat back questions for clarity. So the question was, there was some truckload of ballots that came? Have you tried to reach out to run back?
This is what Jeff Ellington or run Beck said to our audit team member, he goes, this is a confirm receipt of your information request, we’ve been advised that the county’s preference is, is that the elected officers, employees and vendors, which is them do not speak with other persons concerning the pending audit.
Okay. And I wanted to share that with people because and by the way, here are Phil’s records, that trying to reach to the Maricopa officials here, all of this phone records where you tried multiple times, and we’ve submitted this, you know, it’s a public information now it’s out there. But the point is that we have not had that time.
And we have not made we have not set aside a lot of time to do that. Because, frankly, of all the pushback we’ve gotten. Thank you. Let me bring in. So I want to introduce someone at the at the beginning of this call. I mentioned that. Oops. Phil, I’ll add you back to the stream shortly.
Okay. I want to bring in Tim Canova. Tim Canova is an esteemed professor of law. Tim will introduce himself, but Tim ran for congress against Debbie Wasserman Schultz in 2016. One of the things I want to point out is this is not you know, we want we don’t want to serve democrats do this, Republicans and Republicans do this to Democrats.
And, and I want him to speak and I’ll speak about my own race here where it was the Massachusetts GOP Republicans, who, frankly, you know, committed fraud on our own election by all obvious indications to anyone’s saw what happened, the Massachusetts GOP led by a guy called Jim Lyons and will play a video by one of their new governor guys who’s running who denies the election was stolen. It’s quite extraordinary.
This guy, he’s known as dirty deal here, but he denies that the election was stolen from Trump any any any told Donald Trump that he should just, you know, this is spilt milk, right, move along. Okay. So it’s republicans do it to Republicans, Democrats do to Democrats, Republicans do to Democrats, Democrats, to Republicans.
So I want to engage in a conversation to expand the universe of what’s going on by Tim Canova joining us, and then we’ll bring Phil back and Phil did some of the analysis for Tim’s election. Tim, do you want to give it a just give a background on you and what happened to you and I actually have the video cued up from that election order. We’re going to hear actually here about how you have an election official stating that the ballots were destroyed, and nothing has happened to her. Go ahead,
Tim Canova 1:18:57
Tim. Yes, thank you, Dr. Shiva. Appreciate it. appreciate all the work you’re doing. I ran in 2016 in a democratic primary against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who at the time was the chair of the Democratic National Committee. I was a I am a law professor. It’s what I’ve been doing for the past two decades, not a professional politician.
But we ran a very spirited campaign, which went viral pretty quickly, thanks in large part to my opponent, making herself so unpopular among the grassroots of the Democratic Party for trying to tip the scales for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders in the presidential primary.
We raised almost $4 million dollars from over 200,000 individual contributions online, which was a record for small donations online for a federal campaign at that time, and we spent the money right here in the district. We had four fields offices, had about 200 people between paid staff and volunteers knocking on doors every day for an August 30 2016 primary.
So right through the heat and humidity of the summer, we were knocking on about 12,000 doors a week, and calling you about 3000 voters a week. I believe it was the largest grassroots campaign for Congress at the time in 2016. And there were very limited polls that were being done. There was a an establishment poll that had Wasserman Schultz ahead by more than 10 points.
A couple of weeks later, we had our own poll that showed us closing into single digits, with about 20% of the electorate undecided and a lot not knowing who I was, but that started changing this summer. And as the Election Day got closer, as the early voting got closer, our internal numbers showed it tipping in our favor, pretty dramatically.
And a number of things started to raise concerns in the days before the election. We came under a denial of service attacks, repeated denial of service attacks. The FBI was completely unconcerned. We called them a number of times our lawyers called them a number of times. And then the day before the election, the local NBC affiliate had up on their website a preview of the next day’s elections.
And, you know, none of the votes have been counted yet. And in all the races, whether it’s Sheriff or county commissioner, the races were, you know, 00 with 0% of the precincts reporting, but for our race, they had Wasserman Schultz ahead by about 14 percentage points with 69% of the precincts reporting, which seemed rather strange, we called them up and they took that down but never gave an explanation.
The next day when the polls closed, Wasserman Schultz was declared the winner almost immediately by almost the same exact spread that NBC had been reporting the day before. So things seem very fishy. And again, what was most important in my mind was that our our internal field numbers weren’t based on 600 calls to likely voters by some polling agency that, you know, had conflicts of interest. He’s read 12,000 engagements a day on door knocking in the district, and it had his way ahead of her at the end.
So I never conceded defeat, and instead, I asked to see the paper ballots we put in, there was an official audit and the the official audit is really a joke. About a week after the election, they choose one precinct in Broward County, it was not even in our district, it was a different congressional district. And they just make sure that the votes match up.
They put them through the same machine with the same software. So it’s a very meaningless audit. We asked to see first, the digital scanned images and Brenda Snipes, who is then the Supervisor of Elections of Broward County, said to me personally on the telephone that they had no digital scanned images, which seemed very strange to my election lawyer and to me, mainly because it takes nothing to take digital scanned images, it’s like you press one toggle switch at the central location.
And you’ve got your digital scanned images. Here in Florida. People go on paper ballots that are scanned, they’re put through a scanning machine. I should also back up and say another
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:23:50
ATM. Yeah, I want to keep it sort of, you know, sort of the key points here. About 3700 people on here want to keep them focused. The bottom line is you ran for senate you had a phenomenal Congress, you had a phenomenal campaign against Debbie Wasserman Schultz a Democrat.
You were a Democrat. Right, just to let everyone know, I’m a Democrat. At the time a Democrat. You You You asked for the ballot images, right, which are the scans and then you you got court authority to do an audit if I’m right, right, and
Tim Canova 1:24:20
not exactly what they told us. There were no scanned images. We asked to see the paper ballots. This went back and forth for more than six months and I finally filed the lawsuit under Florida’s public records law. to inspect the ballots, paper ballots, all election materials are considered public records. We were three months into the lawsuit with lawyers filing motions back and forth.
Three days after we filed our discovery requests. Brenda Snipes, the Supervisor of Elections, ordered the destruction of all the paper ballots and then did not even inform us or the court for another two months. We confirm this in sworn videotaped depositions of Snipes where she admitted to destroying the balance and I have
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:25:04
that I have that videotape, Tim. Tim, I think, yes, I have that videotape queued up. So the bottom line is that you were trying to get the ballots in the middle of after you were given access to the ballot. She destroyed the ballots, right? Is that what happened?
Tim Canova 1:25:17
That is exactly what happened. The court ruled that that’s what happened. They granted a summary judgment, which meant nothing except attorneys fees at that point because the ballots were gone. The judge’s order was a 10 page order which listed all of the statutes that Snipes had violated, including criminal violations of federal and state law.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:25:38
Let me play that video, Tim, because I think people seeing the video. So bottom line is Tim Canova got the right to audit the ballots. They had the ballots in the middle of that acquisition, the way she was Snipes, to say the election director Tim.
Tim Canova 1:25:55
No, she was the county election supervisor
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:25:58
and she destroyed the ballot. So I have this queued up Tim, I found the video. So this is online. So here is a county supervisor, I think in deposition, admitting that she destroyed the ballots and her reason is quite extraordinary. So let me bring it up here. Yeah. The reason is quite extraordinary. So here it is. Let me play the video here. Here we go.
Circuit Judge Rog single has ruled that the Broward County Supervisor elections Brenda Snipes violated state and federal laws are destroying ballots, she was still legally required to retain much of evidence 16 congressional race as
it relates to this situation. A big problem is
that congressional candidate Tim Grover, it’s not to look at the paper ballots in his race, following his last two Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz the Democratic primary in order to burn this knife to the court in June 2017, when her office didn’t fulfill his request, Snipes approve the destruction of ballots in September, signing a certification that said no court cases involving the ballots were pending. Why did
you sign a document allowing for the destruction of music
notice? When I sign a sign, folders filled with information, so I was given a document by Mr. Spencer, it says responsibility. And
and you knew that those pallets were the pallets that those records where the public records are. So I want
you everyone on that document. There are a lot of things. I trust my staff, they have the responsibility of getting their permission yesterday.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:27:54
So it’s quite extraordinary. So let me bring back in tip, Phil here. So what’s extraordinary here is Tim is this is a county supervisor election official, who signed orders to destroy your ballots right?
In the middle. I’d say they were not my balance. They were the balance of all of the voters in Broward County. Every single every single ballot was destroyed. They were supposed to be held for 22 months. And I think they weren’t even held for a year.
Those are felonies under state and federal law punishable by up to five years in prison for every count, and instead of there being any prosecution of Snipes. by Republicans, Rick Scott was the governor, a Republican governor at the time. Instead, Snipes was allowed to retire and is receiving $130,000 a year pension. And I should say it wasn’t just state prosecutors that failed.
We spoke to the acting US Attorney Benjamin Greenberg. My lawyers met with him for more than 90 minutes. This is a prosecution that a second year law student could win easily. You’ve got a sworn videotaped confession of the wrongdoing.
And Greenberg was seen motivated to bring up prosecution and we were hoping a prosecution would lead to Snipes his cooperation, we’d find out who else was involved, where this all came from. And Greenberg went to Washington DC for a week of meetings at the justice department with deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein The one who had appointed Robert Moeller to investigate those collusion charges.
And he came back and said they didn’t have the resources to prosecute this case. They usually do securities litigation. I’m telling you, this is destruction of evidence. Again, any second year law student would win this in half an hour, I would think. So there was no prosecution. Those were republicans covering for Democrats.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:30:03
Great. All right, Tim. Thank you. I think I think I think the reason we want to bring Tim in in the biggest part of what we’re trying to do, Tim, as we talked about last night is we want to engage people to raise their consciousness. This is really about a systems.
And this is really talking about election, integrity, the system’s integrity. And they’ve created enough processes here, that people can get away, touching parts of this system. And it looks like from your case, there’s no enforcement. Here’s a person who destroyed ballots, and nothing has happened to those five years. Right, Tim? Nothing has happened to this person
is right. And Dr. Shiva, I should say that my attorney who is very well connected Republican, I couldn’t find it an election lawyer who’s a democrat since I was running against the head of the DNC. Yeah, yeah. And my lawyer got back to me, I’d asked him why republicans from Broward to Tallahassee, were not interested in bringing the boom down on this kind of Democratic Party corruption.
And he got back to me after a couple of weeks, and he said, I could expect no help from the Republicans. And it was because they had the same friends as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the same financial backers, the same political consultants, the same lobbyists.
So this is not a republican versus democrat issue. This is insider versus outsider. And by having rigged elections like this, we ended up with representatives that don’t represent us. They’re representing all kinds of interests in in in my race, Wasserman Schultz represents huge corporate interests, who flooded her coffers with millions of dollars. I didn’t take a penny of corporate money.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:31:50
Great. Thanks, Tim. Phil, do you want to say anything? You’re muted, Phil, I want to go back to God, Phil. Ah,
hey, Tom, how are you?
Very good. It’s nice to see you fill in through all these years. I spoke on the phone once and and I know you’ve done a lot of work on my campaigns, analyzing the statistical results.
Absolutely. Absolutely. It’s good to finally meet you. Um, I may have missed this. But my my recollection is that nobody seemed to care. But but in the 2018 midterm elections, went for days in Broward County after the election, and they still couldn’t reach a result. Then the whole nation converged down there, and that and it was finally announced that Brenda Snipes had done that, and then she either resigned or was, was fired from her position. Is that? Is that how it went?
That is pretty accurate. I ran as an independent in 2018. And the results of that election, were very suspicious because I was kept the same exact low percentage point. In every precinct in the district, the same exact percentage point among every demographic groups, whites, blacks, Hispanics, Republicans, Democrats, males, females didn’t matter.
I got capped at the same percentage. And one expert in computational science, who you might know Dr. David Bader, very distinguished expert concluded that the chances the odds of that election results was as unlikely as winning the lottery every day for a year.
And what happened in 2018, was one of my campaign volunteers, videotaped a long line of cars that were dropping off satchels of ballots in night in the darkness of night and loading them up to a rented truck.
And that video went viral. Within a couple of days, more than 2 million people have viewed it on Twitter. And that’s when my phone started ringing. I had been blacked out by the media, I think for touching the third rail and questioning election results prior to that, but suddenly because the race for US Senate and the race for Florida Governor were both deadbeats that had crashed landed in Broward County.
And Brenda Snipes was still the Supervisor of Elections who was finding 1000s of ballots days after the elections were just showing up out of nowhere. Suddenly, I was invited to appear on Fox News. Still blacked out by MSNBC and CNN Of course, but Fox News had me on I think three days in a row to hear the story of how Brenda Snipes had destroyed our ballots.
And that was the beginning of the end. For Brenda Snipes. She was at first fired. But then she sued I think she got reinstated for a short term and was allowed to resign and get $130,000 year pension.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:34:52
All right, Tim, thank you very much. This, again, to everyone listening. This is the we’re doing an open forum today. Invite the Maricopa audit people to join us. And we brought in Tim Canova because we want to invite people on the left and the right to understand those people, those of you who are Democrats listening, you have you had a fellow democrat here, and another Democrat, basically attacked his election, by all means no fill.
We’ve seen some of those numbers are quite extraordinary. I want to just quickly display, President Trump just issued a statement concerning the form we’re holding right now. So I just want to bring it up. So we bring it up. So let me bring it up right here. I think I got it stop this screen one second. Let me just bring it up. It’s a very interesting statement.
And and I think it’ll hopefully, let’s say yeah, yeah, through Liz Harrington. This was just put up on Twitter. I just got notice of it. So here we go. It’s from President Donald J. Trump. And he just issued this he goes today the highly respected Dr. Shiva, Dray, MIT, PhD, is having an event on the big findings from the Arizona audit.
He has invited the rhinos on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to participate, if they have nothing to hide, and if this was a most, quote unquote, secure election in history, they would show up and answer the many questions raised by the audit, like how many like how there were over 1700 duplicate mail in ballots, right? We’re talking about the images, right?
And why they poured in after election day, how there were over 6000 more ballots than there were on envelope. So that’s to be specific. President Trump is referring to 6545 or why some were stamped, verified and approved, even though they had no signature which is against the law. Maricopa County has refused to answer these questions and so much more and instead shoots the messenger to an introductory Chivas open forum from 12 to 4pm.
We must fix our election to save our country. The massive irregularities and corruption are now in the hands of the Attorney General Mark Brnovich of Arizona. Everybody knows what the right answer is both in Arizona and other places. So anyway, that so it’s great to have a President Trump’s involvement and to recognize that he’s watching this and interested in this.
I wanted to Tim as a follow up to what you just shared. You know, the way that you know I met you if you remember is that we connected because I had gone through election fraud right here in Massachusetts. And in 2018, I ran against you know, Elizabeth Warren campaign was only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian.
We ran against a guy called dirty do who said don’t even call her out as Pocahontas. Okay. I mean, that’s a campaign and I was not bringing it out as a racial thing I was bringing out as an integrity thing. And then we ran a 2020 we had 3000 volunteers on the ground. 3000 volunteers 20,000 lawn signs.
10,000 bumper stickers. We put out 2 million fliers all over Massachusetts, which that’s one of our campaign slogans was stop election fraud. Okay, we had billboards everywhere. You could not get out of Massachusetts with Dr. Shiva. His name was extremely well known. Probably the most known running for that point in the Republican primary on September 1 2024. US Senate, okay, Republican primary, the Massachusetts GOP led by a rhino called Jim Lyons, who by the way, if President Trump is listening, Jim Lyons when Frank Licata went to his home and said, I would like to put a lawn sign of Trump.
He said, Get that effing sign off my lawn, okay. And him and his wife both said that, all right, fact. So here’s a guy who’s running the mass GOP has very little regard for an outsider, like me, has his own base. He had went and found a lawyer who was nobody knew who to run in the primary to not support an independent, you know, minded republican like me.
And what we saw in Massachusetts was quite extraordinary. This guy had no lawn signs. No, you know, volunteers, you know, relative to ours. You know, we have 3000 volunteers on the night of election night, September 1 2020. The word on the street was landslide, landslide, landslide for Dr. Shiva. We find out in the hand counted.
In Franklin County, which is predominantly hand counted paper ballots, we win by 10 points, nearly 10 points in every other county is very similar to yours. The numbers were 6040 6040 6040 6040 so the Massachusetts GOP in collusion in our view with the democrats had committed election fraud. There’s no way this guy won. I mean, he wins in in and black counties.
He wins in, you know, Hispanic counties. A guy who no one’s name, even you still to this day. No one knows where this guy came from. No one even knows his name. So remember name brand, you know, visibility is one of the most important things to winning. So, so you had this guy, dirty deal and this guy was klc. They call him COC for senate interesting website that he had.
But this was a guy with the Massachusetts GOP of Jim Lyons, who basically attacked a republican me in the air, who was a avid supporter, you know, who supported the President Trump voted for him, gave money to him, etc. And these guys were rhinos who are faking to be trumpers. And there’s a lot of these guys out there. Fake trumpers we call them.
Okay. So, recently, this guy, dirty deal, by the way, dirty deal with the president should know stole data from the Office of President Trump here. He did not want President Trump to win. He was a big crew supporter. In fact, they were colluding against President Trump in Massachusetts. More recently, this guy has denied election fraud takes place.
He has actually told President Trump he should not cry over spilt milk. So I want to play that, because these are Republicans who do stuff against Republicans. You gave an example, Tim of Democrats doing stuff against Democrats. So we have to recognize this is about the establishment, not wanting outsiders, Tim, they didn’t want you.
Right against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Massachusetts GOP, who is basically one Jim Lyons here acts like though he’s against Charlie Baker, who’s a rhino of all rhinos, Jim Lyons is also a rhino, but he’s a he acts like he’s a fake trumper. Okay, so let us I want to play this. It’s a wonderful video that we just saw, there’s a site called New England for Trump, which is a big Trump, and they’re very, very upset that this guy dirty deal is out there.
Even when he’s the one who played this video. This guy is the one who said no election fraud took place, and he’s running for governor. And I believe some of the rhinos around the President may have manipulated him to give him an endorsement, which should be rescinded immediately. But let me play this. This is what this guy says.
He says he won the election was stolen, says he won the election and says he is he right?
those states, obviously, they’re going to click sort out if they had any problems with voting. But look,
I don’t think it was a stolen election. I don’t think it was stolen.
I just think that again, at this point, we
need to move forward, stop crying over spilled milk, crying over spilled notes.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:42:50
So anyway, we want to put that out there. Because here’s a guy who a President Trump was clearly manipulated to endorse. And recently, Governor, and that statement came out 90 days ago, 1090 days ago. So here’s a guy who sees the real issues with election integrity, doesn’t believe that election was stolen from President Trump.
And also has said Trump should just move on, you know, not cry over spilt milk. And yet the rhinos are presenting him as a fighter against election for election integrity. So what we need to understand is we have rhinos, fake trumpers running around, then we get to the fake election integrity people on the democrat side, too, because we want to talk about that.
So election integrity is a big buzzword now. But you have the real fighters for election integrity. And you have the fake fighters this guy doofus dirty deal as he’s known by a lot of the trumpers your who are presidential listening, listening, this this endorsement must be rescinded. If there is seriousness about election integrity, because this guy believes everything’s fine.
Now we, Tim, you and and there’s a guy called john breaky. Okay, who’s been putting himself out there as a big fighter for election integrity. I asked john to help us with the ballot images. What we found in Massachusetts was that the ballot images were destroyed by the state election director, and we filed a lawsuit now john breaky who’s typically a Democrat.
He’s a Democrat, right? He doesn’t want to support trumpers. So I asked john for an affidavit and he wouldn’t give it because he’s one of the guys who knows about ballot images. So you have partisanship taking place on election integrity. And so I’m very disappointed to john, I cut off all relations with him. And I know he was involved in the Maricopa audit, trying to say everything was okay.
Nothing to see here. Let’s move along. So we have fake people who are making money off election integrity. That’s what’s actually going on. You have fake people on the left. And the right I don’t know if you want to comment on that, Tim.
Well, I was on an election integrity listserv, with I think about 80 election integrity activists and analysts. And it was clear to me, even prior to the 2020 presidential election, that they were highly partisan. It shouldn’t matter whether it’s a challenger or an incumbent winning or a Democrat or Republican, as long as the votes have been counted properly.
I mean, we should all be fair, and transparent elections. And when it was clear to me that most of the folks or a number of the most vocal people on that listserv were highly partisan, I simply asked if everyone would just disclose where they were getting their funding from. And there was no responses whatsoever. So I do believe it’s a real problem.
And candidates, like you, Dr. Shiva, and like me, who actually try to contest election results, and find out what happened, try to verify the vote, are usually denounced pretty quickly as sore losers. And, you know, things like that just name calling. You know, like I said, in my race, we had field members that were overwhelmingly final field numbers, overwhelmingly showing us winning.
And then there were analysts like Phil Evans, who were doing some of the hard work of looking at the official election results and informing us that they didn’t make any sense. So that really is what animated me to want to see the paper ballots is to verify the election results everybody should be for verifying election results.
And, you know, I think that’s the spirit of the Arizona audit and other audits, maybe that might come down the road, to verify or not to verify, but you know, to audit those 2020 presidential election results.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:47:01
Thank you, Tim, I know you have a school to go to you have to teach. But we appreciate your joining us. Thank you. Thanks for having us again, Tim. It’s really great having you because you give a wonderful example of Democrats doing this to Democrats.
Well, thank you. Appreciate it
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:47:19
be well. One of the things I want to talk about is that Congress passed a law 50 years ago called 52 USC 2070 152 USC 20701. And that law was passed. Specifically, it was passed specifically to encourage audits, it was passed by a democrat majority 52 USC 20701 because Congress recognized that there could be issues after an election for 22 months after an election, people were rewarded, people were encouraged to conduct election audits, because election audits will what is what can guarantee one person one vote, and to try to say people are conspiratorial, and spread disinformation like that for merely wanting an election audit.
That is what is unAmerican, frankly, it’s against the law, because the law says that you should be supporting election audits. So I wanted to make that point, Johnny, if someone else wants to join. Hi, who do we have? Hi, please ask your question.
Hello, Hey, how are you? Am I missing? Oh, good.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:48:35
Good. Tell us where you’re from and ask your question. Yes. Tell us. Yep.
Yep, go ahead. My name is Christine. I’m calling from Massachusetts.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:48:46
Yeah. Hi, Christine.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:48:48
How are you?
How are you?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:48:51
Good. What’s your question?
Okay, I have a few questions. My first one is a while back. I can hear like an echo. A while back. There was a slide that shows the number of early melon ballots requested, and I think was about 2 million. Yep. And then there’s a slide that shows 1.9 received, which is a large discrepancy. Yeah. And it seems like back in November 2014.
People were pretty firm, and whether they want to vote, you know, early or in person on election day. And I remember seeing an image from Arizona where a bunch of ballots were thrown under a rock for Trump. So my question is, does this Maricopa County audit or any audit in Arizona? How did they gain a certain status someone mailed in a ballot that was so counted enough on the way and is the Shawn method a ballot of a democrat or republican? Yeah, so my first question,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:49:44
yeah, so your first question is, do the envelope show if someone’s a democrat or republican? Is that your question?
Well, I also want to find out it seems like there’s a large discrepancy between the numbers Early ballindalloch were requested and the ones that were actually returning founded. How do they know that people didn’t nail it in and then run away?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:50:08
Yeah, let me let me bring that up. Okay, so this is what you’re talking about. Right? I have this on the screen. So we have early voting ballots requested what in Maricopa was 2,160,412. And the early ballots verified and counted were 1,915,487. Right? Yeah. Okay. So you’re asking that discrepancy? Right, which is almost about 200,000. Right?
or? Yeah. And I think there was a canvas where people went to houses and they identify people who had mailed in ballots, but their ballots weren’t counted.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:50:42
Yeah. So so there’s been an effort was an effort or is an effort ongoing by Liz Harris, who has conducted these door to door canvassing, and she has put forward that she has found people who said they did in fact vote, right. But the but according to the Maricopa County officials, their voter ID is not in any of the ballots that was verified and counted. That’s one of the things you’re talking about. Right.
Right. So following up on that, exactly, yeah. Phil,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:51:18
do you want to fill me know about that? Phil, do you want to follow up on that? Do you know if they’re following what’s affidavits? Right.
Right. Maybe maybe Liz will actually call in today. I don’t know. And I’m not the expert. But my understanding is that the same people now are collecting affidavits. Okay, that will that are more legal bound. And that before it’s all over with, they’ll have a pretty substantial argument that there was some unexplainable. A lot of unexplainable anomalies.
People saying they voted, whose ballots were never counted. And then people, the county saying that people voted. But when they knocked on the address of the doors of the address, those people don’t live there, nor have they lived there for quite a while.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:52:06
Great. Yeah. So so what we understand is Liz is starting to do some affidavits. She’s trying to get affidavits for legal reasons. What’s your next question?
Okay, my next question is, and I don’t know if this can really be answered. Okay, so the cyber ninjas. They counted the ballots and the Senate that agreed to the number of votes that were reported. Right?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:52:27
Yep. Near Yeah, it nearly agreed to the votes that were that were reported in the canvass report.
Okay. So if that’s the case, then, like, was Mike windows packet captures? If they showed any evidence that lives in this county, and the number of ballots that they had would not equal? What was reported? Right? Or did what they do on the flip the boat, and then they dump more about open surviving? I’m not sure how that would have worked. Yeah, so packet captures may not have played a role. How many? Right?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:53:02
Yeah, so the thing is, we don’t want to go there, you know, because these are hypotheses right? I think the most important thing of us conducting this event was that we have anomalies these anomalies are revealing to us in need for full disclosure of all of the procedures right? So I don’t even think we want to we don’t even need to be hypothetical.
I think when we want to get to the nuts and bolts of this you have a machine for processing in this case we’re looking at the early voting ballots, it has a set of processes we’ve found some anomalies and I think the simplest way to end all this and unite this country is release all this standardized operating procedures and let’s understand the root causes of these anomalies and that’s how we put stuff to rest so and frankly doing that we’ll get a better election systems in this country but it seems like election officials and their media proxies do not want to focus on on why they’re 6545 more ballots and envelopes.
Okay? Simple question. Why are the duplicate sudden surge of duplicate being you know, in their in their model that’s being created by them? Okay, for curing purposes occurring predominantly, you know, after election day, again, maybe there’s a great reason but please let us know. Why is the the media proxies even being used when anyone can pick up the phone and call me I mean, everyone knows my phone number out there.
And if the American officials are listening, I’ll give you my phone. It’s 617-631-6874 You can call me anytime. We I have people calling me okay. So this is frankly, doesn’t deserve this much amount of energy and time. I mean, a company like General Electric give you an idea. One of my board members said Do you know how long it takes for a major company to do their audit, like a major company like GE, a month, a year? Two years? What do you think?
I don’t think auditors look you know, year round.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:55:12
They do it in about a week. Okay? Because all the systems are together, everything is properly documented, people come in and out, everything is organized for the auditors, and you’re in and out. Unless there’s anything to hide, etc, right? An audit doesn’t need to be so painful. It doesn’t need to be this much amount of vitriol and attacking and partisanship. And that is why we’re holding this open forum today. It’s really simple.
Hey, we found these anomalies, just answer the questions or show us your procedures. And then we’ll go look at them. You can they can put us on the defensive by saying here’s their 300 standardized operating procedures, okay, go read it and get back to us. But that’s not what’s happened. So that’s what we want to educate people on. But thank you for your questions. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Let’s take the next question, john.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:01
We’re coming up on 2pm. And we want to encourage everyone, um, you know, the Maricopa election officials, maybe some people know them. Maybe some people have connections with them. Um, hello, yes. How are you?
Good. How are you? Thank
you for taking my call. Dr. Steven, good.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:19
Where are you from? And what’s your question?
My question is, I have an echo as well.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:31
Go ahead. Go ahead. Is that better?
Could if you aggregate it all the ballots affected by the various anomalies? How many would that encompass? That’s been mentioned, I think 60 6500. More about more ballots and ballot envelopes. Several 1000 more signatures that you found.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 00:56
Yeah. So so you’re asking a wonderful question again. Thank you. What What was your name again?
Amanda. And I have one other question. That’s quick.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 01:05
Let me just answer this one. First. Let me just say, so the first question and Phil obviously chime in. So if you have, so yes, one of the questions is we have 6545 more ballots in the envelopes. Okay. Remember, this election was last slashed won at around 10,500 votes. So 6500 is, you know, it’s not a small number.
That’s the first thing. The other thing we want to emphasize is, we found 2580, you know, scribbles about 1919 blanks, again, we didn’t do a detail, you remember, we were only looking at the signature region. Okay. Now, we just did a very simple signature presence detection.
Okay, we didn’t have the opportunity to compare all the signature to signature analysis, which is what we believe should be done, our guesstimate on that would be that would be north of, you know, 50,000, we would think we would find significant differences, that’s just from a guesstimate of doing some statistical analysis, but we haven’t had the chance to do that.
Okay. But the point is that you have 6500 plus ballots, which don’t have envelopes. Very important. We have examples. Again, this wasn’t part of our audit scope, we did this on our own, we at least have, you know, 20. some odd people who have two voter IDs, same person with two voter IDs, both the votes were counted.
Okay. So if we have a chance to expand our analysis, we may find more. But the point is that the the image processing that’s done, when they do the curing, you see what i’m saying the curing is hundreds of 1000s of votes that were cured, which means word signatures and match, they contacted people, right? To find out why they didn’t match.
That process, in our view is very, very squishy, because we don’t understand it. So imagine out of the 1.9 million votes, they said 587 didn’t match, but they cured a number from our guesstimate from looking at it looks like it was maybe about 100 to 200,000. So that means 100 to 200,000 in that range, or less phone calls went out to call people to say, Hey, your signatures don’t match you following me. Now, how was that process done?
How is that adjudicated, right? Because there’s a lot of room for play there. And that is why we need these processes. So especially in a race, which was lost by 10,500 votes, okay, or one by 10,500 votes.
So it is very important for people on the right to feel comfortable with how the left treated them or the left to feel how the right treated them to just articulate these processes, put it out, so we can all understand it and move forward. But without that transparency, we’re gonna have a divided States of America. What’s your next question?
Just as a tack on to that, and then I’ll ask the second question. Have you been asked to do more analysis for America? But you mentioned Yes,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 04:13
yes. Yes. So one of the obviously, the thing, the recommendation we put forward, one of the original analysis we were asked to do, which was put in abeyance was to look at the ballot images. Okay. There was a contract that was executed, but that’s been held. And we’re just in sort of a status, you know, just in hold on that. But the other was to really look at, I think the next recommendation we made is we really need to do a scientific engineering analysis of looking at all the signatures and matching them up against voter registration files. Once we do that, and we do it scientifically, we will exactly know the error rate you say, let’s say that error rate is 10%. That means that’s 190,000 votes or 200,000 votes, you say So that’s what I think. Yeah, that’s what we need to do. And I think this will not only that’s why I think Maricopa stands at a historic point to help the entire country. Phil, do you have anything to add to that? Why? One second?
Yeah. Why Why? Why are the ballot image analysis portion? Why is that on hold?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 05:21
I’m not sure we’re just waiting.
Do you have my second question is do you have any other election related projects you’re working on or that are coming up? I’d love to see more work by you.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 05:39
Yes, do I just hold on one sec. Do I just hit that shot? Okay, so I have a wonderful note before I go to that, from World blessings, which says thank you, Dr. Shiva, and everyone on the audit teams for all your hard work for the highest and best of good of humanity. Thank you. These are some people super chatting with us and this is something do I hit this again, john, or this one? This is from chef Dan is a Sankey doctor Shiva. And john, question for you. Why were we forced you Sharpies to fill in our ballots out in Mesa. And had that even been addressed? Also Trump team, we love you, Mesa Arizona. WW, GE, one w GA. Okay, I’m not sure about the the the Sharpies? I’m not my expertise. Phil, do you know?
I’m not the expert on that. Not even gonna talk.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 06:26
Thank you. All right. So what was your next question? We have one, we have got more people in queue. How many more people on queue? Yeah.
Do you have any other election related projects you’re working on? Or that
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 06:42
I mean, as you know, we did analysis on Michigan where we just finished some stuff on Pima, okay, which we’re going to be sharing and a lot of this just to let you know, we’re we’ve been doing on our own, you know, there’s been a lot of people raising money on election integrity.
Okay. The first time we were ever even Commissioner, we ever even did this, you know, in a contractual relationship was $50,000 we received but I can guarantee you that if you read your statement from Professor Debbie Nightingale, I think our team did probably 10 times that effort, at least.
Okay. So, you know, on their stuff that we have on Pima County, we’d like to share what we’d like really, people to recognize that we’re taking a serious engineering systems approach. We’re not left or right. I think the election of President Donald Trump and what the events that took place has made this a national issue.
But our election, Massachusetts is where we did our own analysis, we were poised to help. The events that took place in the presidential election, in the midst of a lot of the rhinos, who did not want want even help us. I mean, we asked the rhinos in the White House to help us we ask the rhinos, the RNC to help us.
We ask the rhinos in the Trump campaign to give us data, they never gave us data. Phil and I had to cobble a lot of the data by ourselves, you know. So the the reality is the fake trumpers Massachusetts GOP gym lions dirty deal. For example, the the, the the rhinos, and the Democrats, the establishment democrats all are all hurting this country.
Because when you break this down into the reality, whether your left whether you’re right, or whether you’re independent, the election processes in this country in this country, I can tell you unequivocally, as an MIT PhD, who’s looked at many done many audits, they are not transparent. They’re not we’re not saying people are cheating.
But we do know people are cheating in certain elections like mine and what happened to Tim Canova, but not everywhere, right. But the fact that transparency, and that is a real fraud. The real fraud in this country is that we have people who don’t want to talk about the election processes and we have really numbskull.
Very very numbskull, media people who don’t have any training in mathematics, any training and systems and for example, we expose one of the newspapers, which is funded by Arabella advisors, which is started by herb Kessler, which is a multi billion dollar or near billion dollar unit, which has funded now nonprofit quote unquote news organizations all over the country to do hit jobs on people like me.
And, and you know, frankly, as I talked about racist has jobs because a guy like me is is supposed to always be a liberal, democratic, highly educated, Indian guy, right? dark skinned indian guy. And if I do an audit in a sincere way, you don’t only do misinformation, disinformation, but you try to, you know, Lynch me back into the box, right.
So, so we need the media, frankly, to either come to Cambridge will educate you on engineering systems theory. But if you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re really doing a lot of harm. Because you want to control the vitriol. You want to have the partisanship, you don’t you want to create a divided States of America. But thank you.
Thank you Dr. Shiva. Yeah.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 10:18
Okay, so it’s 2pm. Do we have anyone from? Hey, Phil, do you? Do you want to send another email if you can to the Maricopa officials just inviting them?
Can you do that? Yeah, I’ll do that. And
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 10:32
and do we know the phone number? The Maricopa officials? Should we be able to contact them? It’s a public number, right?
You can Google it. I don’t. I guess it’s public. Yeah, I’ll get all that. Yeah, I
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 10:45
want to go to the Maricopa County officials let them know that that. I mean, Phil’s invited them. There’s been a bunch of news stories, but we need to let people know. Okay, let’s take the next one. JOHN.
Hi, Dr. Shiva. Hi, how are you? I’m good. I do have a question regarding the signature verification. Yeah. And also a concern with the existing process that you’ve described. If I understood correctly, you said that the signature verification is authenticated by volunteers.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 11:21
Yeah, reviewers who get who go through some level of training, but they’re not professional forensics people. You know, they’re not people you would hire for a courtroom. Yeah, as I understand, again, we would love to see the slps on how you hire reviewer right how you educate them. We haven’t seen those.
Right. Yeah, exactly. That’s very constricting. I mean, there’s, there’s experts, as you stated that their sole job is to examine signatures and court cases. You know, for the hobbies, sports industry, memory, failure collectibles, all that is authenticated. But how would you go about doing the signature verification? I got?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 12:02
Yeah, that’s a good question. Yeah. Yeah. So let me let me answer that question. So the way so so first of all, if you look at a signature, right, in pattern analysis, a signature has what are called different features. Okay, I’ll give you an example. We just looked at one very low level feature call, how many pixels are in that signature area? Right? pixel density.
Another is how many slopes? There are, okay? You know, angles, right? How many contours there are, okay? And like this, when you look at because basically, you’re looking at a graphic, right? You’re extracting from that what are called features. So one of the aspects of pattern recognition is you do what’s called feature extraction.
Now, they the Maricopa County, one of the writings, I read, again, this is through third party says that they do 27 points that they look at on a signature, okay? So if you take a signature, you literally get 27 points, and you see those 27 points. In fact, let me share if you’re seeing the screen here, this is an example from the LA Times article that I shared, if I can bring this up.
If it’s still there. I may have to go to that article. Hold on, I may have to open a new window here one second. And I may have to open this window. Okay. All right. Let me bring up this article. Okay. And you’ll understand what I’m talking about.
So if I go here, and let me go back here. Let me bring up this, share my screen here and bring up this. Here we go. Okay, if you see the screen here, can you see this? Alright. So in a signature, this is from the LA Times article, you see the signature here?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 13:55
Okay, so in a signature, it’s got it’s got someone’s name, and you got these curvatures you have these, these are called different features of a signature. Okay, so what? Yeah, so so this is a, so typically, in handwriting recognition, you extract out what are called feature slopes, and different kinds of contours.
For years, when I used to do stuff for the banks, you know, for bank analysis, right, handwriting recognition, um, you extract out these features are called. And then you compare features to features. And that’s through a process called either clustering, and there’s various technologies, okay, but techniques to extract out the features.
And sometimes you may have 60 features, you may have five features. In this case, we just did simple signature presence, just looking for the pixel density. Using that analysis, then you try to do what’s called matching, you run matching algorithms, okay. And then that matching, you can use things like what are called neural networks, you can use clustering algorithms, but typically, when that matching is done, you’ll get a confidence level, how confidence that matches and typically an error
Okay, so if we did it independently, using technologies like, I’ve developed for many, many, many decades now, we could analyze, you take all the return on envelope signatures, you take all the registration because they have those signatures, and we do a full blown analysis, and it’s never been done for an election of this guy. Okay, 2 million signatures, imagine we are 1.9 million, we would get a confidence level and what’s called an error. Okay? So let’s say that error is 10%.
Okay, that means 10% of those 1.9 million signatures would be about 200,000. Should be quote unquote, cured, you follow what I’m saying? So the issue is, was 200,000 signatures cures, what a half a million, you see what I’m saying? Because those error rates are very important.
As of now, I have this is why I’m so to me, from a scientific standpoint, and an engineering standpoint, this is fascinating. Because what we’re saying is, as Matt, I mean, if 90% of the of the election is based on mail in ballots, and we don’t know the error rates, and we’re assuming that it’s only point oh, 3%, which I find, frankly, very hard to believe, okay, we don’t really have a handle on any of our elections anymore. Because we don’t know the error rates.
Because if they’re using this 27 point analysis, what are the algorithms they’re using all of this should be disclosed. Until that time, my view is we should go back to hand counter paper ballots, because, you know, by human beings reviewing it in the local precincts, but you’re taking images, you’re, you’re imaging them, you’re compressing the images, right?
Then you’re bringing in people who are not forensically trained people telling them that they should look at these two images, right. So I think the whole process in my view, the signature verification process, is unverifiable, in my view, but you’re asking a very, very important and profound question.
Thank you, Dr. Shiva. I think it’s critical that we look at the signature, I really hope that they do. You know, have you looked at that, and, and Dr. Shiva, I appreciate your engineering system approach.
I definitely would like to see some more work from you, Dr. Shiva, like, you know, like, if you can look into the future, what would be your engineering system approach to future elections? I mean, if you can put on paper, a book, Dr. Shiva, I would love to see that.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 17:31
Yeah, I’ve been Yeah, we may do a book on this on how to really audit this process. It’s what’s needed, we need an engineering systems approach end to end. And look, what needs to happen is we need to look at the process.
And to end, you know, as I mentioned earlier, when I was growing up, when I was 12 years old, my dad was a chemical engineer, he would, you know, he worked initially for a company called men and remember speed stick and skin, bracer, and baby powder, he’s to make all this Okay, he was the plant manager.
And the, you know, he was also responsible for quality control along that process. And what I got trained at a very young age, and I used to solve problems with them was, it is not the end product, it’s not just counting the ballots at the end, it is the entire process. So what we need is a, you know, a standardized set of operating procedures on this process.
It should be all made public, it should be auditable. And it should have at each point in that process, that what we call QC quality control process. And until we have that, in a very, you know, detailed way, I don’t think we’re going to solve this left right issue on this matter.
And the problem is the election integrity people particularly who’ve been participating, many of the people who are very annoyed that I got involved because I’m the quote unquote, new kid on the block, when in fact, they’re the New Kids on the Block because they don’t know engineering systems.
They don’t understand mathematics, many of these guys, they’re just in it for partisanship reason. And I think the way we win at this is to bring engineering systems approach. This is how we build airplanes, how we build computers, how we build iPhones.
It’s a process and it’s frankly, a discipline that we need to bring to this. And you know, and I think they frankly, kept it squishy on both sides. So they have enough places where they can tweak it to their interests as Tim Canova shared in his example, in my example, by the Massachusetts GOP, you know, very very unethical people here in the GOP Massachusetts, not the republicans on the ground. I’m talking about the GOP officials. They collude next. JOHN, thank you.
Thank you. Yep. Hello Dr. Shiva.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 19:52
Yes. How are you?
I’m good. This is calling calling. Up Karolina. How are you? Yeah. Bye Andre Go ahead, Colin, I have a high level question for you. So a lot of the discussion around election fraud has been kind of segmented, you know, some guys, one of the guys are looking at other, you know, given and I understand that you’re very limited, but obviously you have a feeling complex. If you were to design in full audit of the Arizona, let’s stick with Arizona, Arizona elections, what would it entail? And is that what open is?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 20:40
Well, you mean, well, the Maricopa didn’t do the audit. Right? What? Yeah, so what occurred in the audit, right? was not a full engineering systems approach. Number one, okay.
There was so many hindrances, as I understand, because in order to do an audit like that, you need to have the participation of the audit team. And the and the group that’s being audited. Does that make sense? I’ll give you an example. Yeah, so I guess,
I guess that’s exactly the point that I’m trying to bring out. Dr. Is that there was no full forensic audit done. So language patterns. And when, you know, he will always remember things and well, they did a full forensically sound, nothing will in fact, that wasn’t done. Right.
And I think we do need help piggybacked on to the gentleman who called before I would love to consider that binding templates, or what older ones look like in a different state legislature.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 21:39
Yeah, I think I think that’s what, you know, I think that’s what I think the next sort of major contribution that I think that I’d probably like to make this as a How do you do these full forensic audit? And before you enter them, right, there has to be agreement signed with both parties, right? stating that they will do this, you know, court ordered, like they will participate, and they will provide information.
And I think what you’re bringing up is an important point, because, look, we have our data center here, right? Or we have I have when I do an audit, you know, for example, many years ago, Price Waterhouse audited when we were getting ready to go public, there’s no way they could have done the audit, if I said I’m not going to give you an information, right? They came in, they said we’re gonna need all these things, and I had to comply with that. Otherwise, there’s no way they can do an audit.
And I think in this case, what happened was there was a lot of non compliance and non cooperation. By the way, Phil just sent me those of you who are interested, for example, the recorders office in Arizona, their direct number 60250635356025063535, please contact them in a very friendly way, let them know that we’re open to have conversations with them.
There’s another number. Again, that’s the same number for the recorder and elections department, six oh to 5063535. They’re open from 8am to 5pm. And we encourage them to join us. And we’ve set aside a separate line. And Phil, I think has also sent an email to them again, but we have a separate line for them. So I think you’re bringing up an important point. To do a real audit, you need participation, full participation in both parties. You’re absolutely right. Thank you.
Yeah. And I just one more comment. I just want to say that, you know, I had a problem speaking for much as we appreciate, intellect in our finance department. All proud, frankly, you have to go through it just right. Thank you.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 23:47
You’re welcome. Thank you. What I want to do is I just want to take john, how many people we have eight, eight people. Okay, let’s just take a second. Yep. So it’s 221. We have about an hour and a half to go. But we’re gonna keep taking people’s calls. Because this is an open forum. Hello, who do we have? Hello. Yes. Hi, how are you?
I’m doing good.
I’m calling from Kentucky. We’re trying to do an audit, you know, canvassing here. And we’re struggling getting the voting rolls. And I was wondering if you had any idea how we can get those with the board of elections? denine?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 24:28
Yeah, so you’re talking about the list of registered voters? Right. Well, you right, have you issued a FOIA to them a Freedom of Information or what’s called a public records request? Yeah.
And the Board of Education Board of Elections denied it.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 24:45
Okay, well, you may need to file a lawsuit then. Because that’s, that’s public information they’re supposed to give to you. So I would, if you want to email me, I will give you I can give you some ideas on how to do that. So Okay, my email I
know in like 2000 2017 to do so much food content over there voter rolls, then got put back on. And in December after the election they removed 1000s.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 25:16
Hmm. Yeah, it’s a very important piece, I think I think but if you want help, just send me an email and I can help you with that. JOHN here is actually his family’s from Kentucky. Right, john? Yeah. Well, thank you.
So we have Gina Burnett, who made a very, very interesting point. She goes Dr. Shiva, please see my comments later. I have a systems background and understand the needed approach. If it’s explained to the public in a non political way, some will understand some will not because they refuse logic and a systems approach. Yeah, thank you, Gina. Guy, john, who do we have next? Hello. Yes, hi, who’s this?
Hi, Matt. I’m actually here in Maricopa County.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 26:01
Oh, great to have you. What’s your name?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 26:05
Okay. Hi, Matt. Go ahead.
So I just want to tell you, I think you’re you’re brilliant and appreciate your work. The question I had is regarding the adjudication process. Now here in Maricopa part of the Maricopa part of the Sharpie gate, was they you walk in and they actually print your ballot, and these printers that print the ballot were misaligned. Or not. I guess that’s the best way to put it missed the line.
So that the bleed through what caused the unification and caused that ballot to go into an adjudication process. So the people doing the adjudication at that point, you know, can put whatever they want on there. Is there someone going back through? Or did anyone go back through the adjudication process to make sure that whoever did that? It was a reasonable conclusion, looking at the actual balance?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 27:07
Yeah, so so great question. So the question is on the adjudication process that took place in Maricopa County, let me explain. Just to you bring up a great point. Now, look, I wasn’t involved in that adjudication process. But I can just to educate the people out there. What is adjudication? adjudication is a ballot goes through, right. And it needs to be counted.
But there’s some question on it, right? Which means when I went through the machines, it could be as simple as maybe coffee was spilt on it, right? Or maybe someone fill filled in a circle to the right of the circle. You know, there’s all sorts of things where people don’t know, right?
So typically, what happens is those gets set aside and they’re adjudicated, Phil, if I’m right, in Maricopa, there was about 200,000 that needed to be adjudicated, right. That’s quite a huge number. Am I right?
Yeah. 11%. But that’s, that’s for all the races, not just for the presidential race.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 28:02
But that was considered high, as I understand, right. And she
have I everybody I’ve ever spoken with. Yeah, yeah. So historically,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 28:08
it’s, it’s around what feels like two to 3% or two to 4%. It’s an offer like that. Yeah. So this was, again, don’t but what we do know is from empirically, people have said that 11% across all races was quite high. So So what, what that means is that ballots without when they went through the machine, were set aside and they had to be reviewed by humans, right.
And then when they review them, in some cases fail after they review them, they literally go to a touchscreen, and they re type it in there’s a process, right? They create a whole new ballot. I Doug Logan would probably the best to answer this. I was not there. So I can’t, you know, any information for me would would be inaccurate.
But what we do know there’s a significant more number of ballots that need to be adjudicated this time than in previous elections. Phil, I don’t know if you have any other because points to add to that.
Well, this is not a definitive. I believe that there are the original some of the original abolish before they were adjudicated. I believe there’s an issue with those images, if I’m not mistaken. Okay. And I’ll just leave it at that.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 29:23
Yeah, I think I think there was, there was some concerns that some of those adjudicated images. Again, this is a concern. Someone brought up which we haven’t seen the full evidence on. Right to be accurate. That’s some I think one thing was that the the circles seem to perfect Right, right. Well, right, Phil,
that’s I’ve heard outside of the scope of what we get. We
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 29:51
were outside the scope of that. Right. Right. But anyway, I think Doug Logan are probably the best person to answer that. Maybe we’ll do a session with Doug on with us at endpoint so thank you. God we got next, john. How many people here? seven, nine. Okay.
Let’s go. Good afternoon, Dr. Schieber.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 30:12
Yeah. How are you?
Very well, thank you. My name is art. And I’m from Florida.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 30:20
high art. How are you?
What’s your quiet havoc? Fine. Thank you. I have a I have a comment. And then two questions. My observation, ex aerospace engineer, by the way are retired.
Oh, really? What is that?
We, what concerns me is we seem to have a corrupt legends of a judicial system. How could it be all of those civil cases being denied for lack of evidence or standing? That’s number one.
Are you Are we now at a point where only the criminal cases have a chance of really breaking through to find out what the truth is? While we get into a revolution here in this country? Well, I
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 31:15
think you’re asking a very interesting question, right? I think the question you’re asking is, how do we actually get to an answer? Right? How do we actually get to resolution? Right? Because if 50% of the country now Can’t believe in their elections? Why should we even go vote? Look, it’s an interesting question.
Yes, you know, I never voted in any election, in full disclosure, because I never believed in them. I was an activist for many, many years, you know, on the ground, you can go see pictures of me, you know, organizing food service workers, MIT, whoa, you know, exposing the war in Iraq long before it was, you know, popular to do so right. And I always was of the effort that we need to build a bottoms up movement, that was always working people’s movements, who’s ever resolved anything? That politician there’s so I never voted.
Now, when Trump ran, I did vote for the first time because I saw him hitting the establishment hard enough, I saw him being uncompromising with his rhetoric, you know. And I’ve also had issues with him not addressing certain significant issues, like nothing really happened to Hillary Clinton, though she violated the law in a significant way, by putting a server in our home. And this is you’re talking to me, I gave an interview to the New York Times on this issue.
You know, I did not support Fauci, you know, as a biological engineer, I have serious concerns with the fact that this fast tracking took place. So you know, I’ve been critical of President Trump also, you know, and in spite of that, you know, he’s still am is very supportive, what we’re doing here. Okay. But my point is this, that the court systems we saw in our own lawsuit in Massachusetts, where we uncovered the incident, the entire domestic censorship infrastructure, which I’ll probably talk about later today, that the judge simply wanted me to put put me on Twitter, but did not want to expose, you know, the entire real cabal, which created this infrastructure right?
Or in our own lawsuits here. So I think you’re bringing up an important point, look, when the founders created the legislative department and the executive branch in this country, they did a pretty good job, in my view, but the judicial system when you walk into a court, you’re walking back into the 14th century, okay?
Because many of the founders were lawyers, they didn’t really, I mean, lawyers are still get the get the, you know, get the title of Esquire, which is one level above gentlemen, one level below night, right? They’re still considered nobility. So I think the legal and judicial system in this country when it comes to the real fundamental issues is completely broken.
Because how the judges get appointed who their friends are, and all the localities when you go to the central issues of our time right now election integrity, censorship, right? The issues of fundamental issues, violation of civil liberties, I don’t think the judges are capable of addressing this.
So to your point, the only thing that is it’s been a bottom up movement, and I want to play a video on that, but it’s been the bottoms up movement that has always addressed this. of working people, you know, the South,
I’m not sure I understand what that means. Well, let me give
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 34:25
you an example. You see what’s going on with the Southwest Airlines workers, okay. Them striking, okay. Or in Australia, the construction workers define their own unions realizing that their unions don’t meet their interests anymore. It is going to be movements, bottoms up. That’s going to do it. It is not
going to challenging the deports systems, right. It’s really instead of Yep, I can’t hear you really suggestion we monitor against the court.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 34:58
Well, what I’m saying is, we need to It’s it is. So if you look at what’s going on right now, the interests of working people is what’s been attacked. Okay. Since you’re asking this question, let me address it. If you look at what’s going on with the mandates, right?
On the jobs or what’s going on with the diapers, people up to where if you look at the outrageous censorship that’s going on, what we discovered in our lawsuit is it is government where government ends and we’re Facebook begins, we’re Twitter begins, nobody knows there is a domestic censorship infrastructure set up in this country, and its government that’s leading it, it came out of sites that Homeland Security, and when you look at the elections are essentially appear to be selections.
These are at the end state of a long process that’s gone on for nearly, you know, 50 years in this country. So let’s really go back and review how change ever took place in any significant way. In 1886, you know, American workers, you know, American workers are the ones who fought right. American workers are the ones in 1886 was the Haymarket movement in Chicago.
Four American workers were hanged for fighting for the eight hour work day, in the late 1800s, was a great upheaval, there was a revolution taking place in this country wasn’t the Republicans. It wasn’t the Democrats. It was working people. By the 1900s. what had occurred in this country was something quite profound. That working people black and white were bottoms up unions, women led those unions, starting in pace like Lowell, Massachusetts.
And and what that resulted in in the New Deal. It wasn’t Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a nice guy. He was a racist, and he was an elitist. It was those workers movements, which forced the elites to eliminate child labor. Okay.
It was it was those movements, which gave the eight hour work day, built the, you know, water systems gave hygiene, right, built sanitation systems, infrastructure. And that infrastructure came out of bottoms up movements, the elites never wanted to give those to the working people. So during 1940 to 1980, the biggest growth of the American infrastructure, I mean, American infrastructure, and the American Pie happened.
If you look at wages, all wages grew whether you made $100,000, we made $10,000. Everyone’s wages grew during that period. Everyone and in 1950, what the right wing quote unquote, right wing did his they colluded with the left wing. And what what actually happened was the left wing the right wing, colluded in this very interesting way. They never wanted a bottoms up popular mass movement. I’m not talking about terrorists, right? Or people going and breaking things.
We’re talking about a popular mass movement. So the right wing branded anytime you said working people unite as communists socialists, as those coming out of Russia, you follow, I’m saying the left wing took advantage of that, and they created these top down unions.
So by 1970, all the unions were taken over. There was no real vibrant bottoms of organic unions. So if you look between 1940 to 1980, there were nearly 100 million Americans who participated in nearly 11,000 strikes in the United States. That’s when the American workers got what they wanted.
But between 1980 to today, there’s been maybe about 900 strikes with maybe 2 million workers participating. So and during this period over the last week is collusion, right? Yeah. And so it basically the right and the left colluded Bernie Sanders doesn’t give a damn about working people, right?
And what they did was they colluded against the American worker. So the mandates that we’re seeing the censorship is a part of a long process. 20% of 20 to 25% of Americans are unemployed. The during the last 50 years, nearly $50 trillion of wealth got transferred from the American worker upwards to the Jeff B Sosa’s, right.
So you’ve seen right, if you’re if you’re making $50,000, today, you should be making about 120k. That’s according to the RAND report that just came out. So we’ve seen the squeezing of working people. And what we’re seeing with these mandates beat the job mandates are the diaper mandates, these are part of a long process of power, profit and control.
And that’s why these elections right, it’s it to me, it is one of the most important topics to discuss, because it is openly saying the elites have made a very simple engineering systems process which should be so finely tuned by this point, right? I mean, if we can get an airplane from San Diego to Boston, right, nine out of right, nine times pretty much right without failing.
But we have these fundamental issues and these election officials ran airport systems or train systems, there’ll be airplane crashes nearly every day. So we need to get working people need to be participating in these systems. We need engineers bringing participating and the fact You’ve had such vitriol and attempt to attack the credibility of my work Phil’s work other engineers and we have serious PhDs over here, okay?
And it’s not like we’re being paid a lot of money to do this. We’ve been doing this without getting any paid any money shows that the those in power are using hacks in the media, to forcibly make Americans ignorant of engineering systems. That’s what this is about. This is about systems.
You know, I want to play a video for everyone. And then Liz Harris, can you call out Liz Harris? JOHN? Do you ever number? I have Liz’s number. So we’re going to, but thank you. Okay. Thank you very much.
And thank you very much for your answer. Yeah.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 40:46
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Let me I just want to play a video for everyone. Let me bring. I just want to play a video for everyone just to hopefully motivate people. Is this our gold video, john? How our country to be taken? Yeah, so let me oops, I want to play this video for everyone.
And it’ll give you sort of the analysis of where I think the last caller asked of where we are. And I want to encourage everyone, you know, one of the things that I’ve started doing is to educate people on a systems approach, I’ll put the banner up. So a number of people writing me so if people want to go to truth, freedom, health, calm, let me stop this ticker for a second.
I just want to take a quick, almost like a commercial break. But have you guys listen to this here we have allowed our country to be taken over from within. And the end goal is you will have a homogenized world where we will become slaves.
Because there is a condition among the elites that really thinks they’re better than you. Deep down inside them, that you don’t deserve the freedoms you have. They don’t this reality is what people need to wake up to. And we need to all unite working people. There’s only one movement that can do that.
And that is the movement that we started creating here messages the movement for truth, freedom. And look, I’ve been a student of politics since I was a four year old kid setting revolutionary movements left wing right wing, there’s a physics there’s a nuclear science to destroying the establishment.
To build a bridge Do you need to understand Newton’s equation, you need to understand the laws of gravity, you need to understand Poissons ratio, there is a way to build a revolution. And that’s why I put this together.
My goal is to train a army of truth, freedom and health leaders. We don’t need followers like social media, we need leaders, but they they need training because the educational system does not teach them history, nothing. So three hours, that’s what I’ve started doing.
That’s the solution. We got to train people. First with understanding what a system is. The second is understanding the interconnection between truth, freedom and health. Freedom is the ability to move freely, communicate freely, right talk freely. without freedom. You cannot convert ideas, hypothesis into truth, which is science. And without freedom, you can’t really get to truth and without truth. You make up fake problems and fake solutions, which means you destroy our health.
And without health, which is the infrastructure of us in our body. You can fight for freedom. Third concept is it has to be bottoms up working people, people who work united, and with the right wing has done is whenever you say working people unite that must be communist. Meanwhile, they’ve let the democrats run unions, which suppress workers, completely corrupt.
But when you look at the arc of American history, it’s been working people came up, we need to go local. Every solution I’m coming up with as a part of this movement, we’re giving the science which is a truth. And then we tell people what they can do on the ground. Like with election fraud. You don’t need to wait for some lawyer are ghosts to train people.
They have to go local to local to go local fight locally. Forget lawyers, forget politicians, forget celebrities, you’ve got to learn politics, and there is a science to it, they lock us down we should be ready to shut them down. And the fourth part of this principle is a not so obvious establishment. So when you look at a system, there’s always something that disturbs you from getting to your goal when the biggest disturbance is a not so obvious establishment, which is those people who claim there for you on the left and the right, the Al Sharpton to tell black people I’m for you.
The Tucker Carlson’s. Do you think any true anti establishment person will ever be on Fox or CNN? I don’t think so. They both mislead working people back into this stablishment without this solid understanding of political physics and theory, you’re screwed, you’re going to follow on the left wing Bernie Sanders Oh, he said something or Robert Kennedy, scumbags?
Are you going to follow you know, some right wing talk show host. They’re not going to lead us deliberation, it’s us. And that political physics, it’s a nuclear science of change. Bottoms up. We have to organize to understand that there is people who talk a good game, and then look at what they actually do left and right, I’m sorry, Sean Hannity may say some good things, but I don’t see the urgency in his voice to get something done.
And it can only come when you weaponize yourself with the right knowledge, you need to be able to identify a rat. You know, Christ didn’t go after the Romans, right? It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and screwed him up his own quote unquote, people. And that’s where we’re at. So these four concepts are built into a curriculum, people can go to va shiva.com.
And it’s an educational program, we need to train people in political theory, you need to have physics, and I’ve created that curriculum. People need to get educated, we need to get educated fast. And within half an hour, an hour, I can teach people two years of MIT control systems, I teach people those concepts that I apply it, anyone can understand it.
And then you say, Oh, I gotta build a bottoms up movement. They have to get politically astute. And then they have to go locally and act not sit there on social media, they have to act locally, defy locally, be do civil obedience locally, but with knowledge on how to build a movement at the senate campaigns expanded to the movement for truth, freedom and health.
And they can find it on V as in Victor, a Shiva v a shiva.com. So people can sign into it can get access to a bunch of videos, if they want to take a course and become a truth freedom health leader, I offer a full scholarship there. But we want people to make a commitment that they’ll study that they’ll get certified that they’ll go do activities on the ground.
So go to V A Shiva victory America, Shiva va shiva.com. Okay, so I thought people should just hear that so that you know, so I’ve been emphasizing the system’s approach. If people are interested, go to truth. Freedom. health.com. Yep. Liz. Okay, we have Liz Harris joining us. So Liz, let’s bring Listen, go ahead.
And Hello, everyone. How are you? Thank you for recognizing Great, thank you for recognizing the hard canvassing work of the people of Arizona.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 47:43
Yeah, great. Liz, why don’t you I think what what we wanted to do here today was make this an open forum. And we’ve invited the Maricopa election officials. I think I just read out their number again, so people can call them. Why don’t you tell us maybe your interactions with them, Phil? Liz, and, and what you’ve been doing all the hard work you and your team have been doing on the ground?
And you know, the gains you’ve made and some of the challenges. Okay, thank you so much for the book. We’re losing you. Liz. Loser. Still says she’s connected. Okay. Liz, if you can hear us, we don’t hear you. Let me see if I can call her on this. That was Liz Harris. Who’s a everyday person up, Liz, we lost you. Do you want to ask your question? Again? I’m just gonna do right from my phone. Go ahead.
Liz. Okay, Liz is back.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 48:52
Okay, go ahead, Liz.
Okay, thank you. Sometimes I wonder why my phone disconnects suddenly. Okay, so what the canvassers of Arizona did is we, we knocked on the doors, and we asked, what method did you use to vote. And then we also found a lot of people that did not reside at these addresses.
What is what’s very interesting is how the recorders office wants to kind of like get into a debate with us on all of these findings and try to basically put together explanations on why this happened. Now there is since this all the end, there is a vacant lot where one vote came from it.
And they were still today, two registered voters from that vacant lot. And this lot had been demolished in the first quarter of 2020. So again, you know, keep we have questions, and we want answers, and we don’t want excuses. We want to understand why these major mistakes happen. And it’s not just Just a one off here and there, there are there major anomalies.
And I just came from the great state of Michigan, and believe it or not, but the the errors that we find our voting campus, the same exact ORS are appearing in the Michigan canvas. So when I say the canvas, I mean the official record of what happened in November 2020.
So that that’s pretty much where we’re at. And the the major anomalies are basically people stating that they voted, there’s no vote recorded, people stating they didn’t vote, there was a vote recorded, people who are voting from addresses and they clearly don’t live there.
And then people who state I voted in person on Election Day, and yet there’s a melon ballot for them. So all of this needs to be explained. And then I also want to let the audience know that we didn’t just canvas to the door, we actually took a sample set, and we made phone calls to verify the information.
So there could be some criticism out there that you knew Liz Harris does not have a PhD in canvassing, well, I do have a doctorate and an MBA and other subjects. So I do feel I’m very qualified to formulate a questionnaire. And I think at this point, I would like to open it up to any questions that anyone might have on the work that we did from the first week of December up until today.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 51:31
Right? Yeah, let’s say you I called you on my phone. And we have other people logging in. How about this? We keep you here, okay, on my phone, but we’re going to bring in other people, but okay. We have other people calling about other things. They’ve been waiting. Hi, who do we have? Hello, yes. Hi. How are you? Where are you from?
I’m Cindy. I’m from Lake Havasu City, Arizona.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 51:57
Oh, very nice to have you. What’s your question? Yeah.
My question is, um, in 2018. They had several states that had recalled that one app like weeks after the election, including Martha mcsalley, with found ballot, what, How come nobody ever looked into that? I’ll be found out.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 52:23
Yeah. Yeah. Can you can you repeat that question again? Just if you can repeat that question came in 2018. Yep.
After the election, weeks after the election, several republicans lost their races with sound ballot, including Martha mcsalley. She was recalled from freshman orientation. And they gave it to Pearson cinema. Yeah. Did you say found a trial run for What work?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 52:56
Did you say found balance? Okay.
Yes. Found a ballot. They found a ballot.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 53:01
I said the election? Yeah, I am not aware of that. But fill
lists, which is list online
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 53:09
list. Are you familiar with that?
And based on the data that I have, because understand that we’re analyzing data, not just from 2020, but we’re analyzing data going years back. And I do believe that that color is correct, that 2018 was a trial run for 2020. election fraud did not get invented yesterday, it’s probably a couple 100 years old.
And I would agree completely with that color. And this is one of the big reasons that voting really needs to come down to a single day, because there are going to be no mysteriously found ballots. If we can make the precincts smaller. 1000 registered voters are less and have everyone vote on election day. That is why it’s called Election Day and not election football season.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 54:04
Yeah, Liz, it’s interesting. One of the things that I think you know, is that the, the more decentralized it gets, and I think it should be hand counted. And Election Day should be a holiday, that it becomes a civic event where young people everyone participate in the hand counting of these paper ballots.
And I think we attempted to do a ballot initiative here on eliminating the machines and having them at the local precincts. And the response was very long, interesting legal response. It said, well, you’re going to affect the American Disabilities Act, right.
When you know, you can still meet those needs in those cases, right. But I think the precinct is everything should occur at that local precinct level, it should be hand counted. And I think it needs to go back to everyone participating. It’s got to be a cultural shift. Also, it can’t be like we’re just putting this on a set of people. It’s got to be people participate.
I agree. 100% doctors Yeah.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 54:59
Thank you. Thank you very much for any
I’m sorry, go anybody be doing an audit of Mojave County?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 55:09
You know, you need to go raise some hell
yes, you need to speak up. We still have 14 counties in Arizona left to audit.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 55:20
Yes. So you need to go, you know, organize people, neighbor to neighbor, get people involved, it’s activism, it’s ground activism that’s going to do it. It’s not going to be waiting for a politician to do it. I think in the case of Maricopa County, because of how close it was, some of these things are so egregious.
It created enough fire for it to occur, but it shouldn’t be that way everyone should participate in this process. Let’s go to the next one. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. I mean, more people. Okay, we have a full queue apparently, 500 600 people have been trying to get through.
So, so to everyone listening, we’re sorry if we can’t accommodate everyone. You know, we have a capability here. But we were taking everyone as they come in. As they commit gut.
Hello. Hello. Yes. My name. My name is Tom.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 56:18
Hi, Tom. How are you?
Pretty good. I’m from Maricopa County. Great. And I’m one of the canvassers that’s helped. Project.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 56:28
Oh, fantastic. Awesome. Great to have you. How is your experience been? When you go to people and you speak to them? Or people? How are people’s feedback?
Most people are receptive to what we’re doing? Yeah. Excellent. There’s there’s a few people that don’t really want to have or don’t want to share their information. But it’s probably maybe one in 10 that are negative for them. Okay.
So that means 90% of people are illegal.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 57:08
Maybe, yeah. You mean one of the things we’ve heard from people, interest and other counties. We have some very Hey, Phil, maybe we should share the Pima County stuff now. What do you think?
But that’s a great idea. I have a couple of questions for Liz, if I may. Yeah, go ahead. Phil. Leo’s Hey, this is Phil, thanks for calling in. Um, you’ve been your methodology has been attacked. I’ve listened to some of the arguments from some of my fellow integrity members.
And I just I want to know, what do you have to say? I’m sorry, to somebody talking. No, no, go ahead. Okay. Okay. What do you What’s your response to people that that attack your methodology that say that it, it can’t be trusted? It’s not accurate. Do you? Do you have any any response to that? We lost her.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 58:04
Then we’d lost her. We’ll try to get her back. Right. Okay. Okay. So the question Phil had is a methodology and I think this to get people back around when you go do canvassing or surveys, there are different methodologies you apply your how you select your sample size, how you ask the questions, who you target, and these define the results because when you get a result, you’re gonna apply that result to a larger population size, but we’ll come back to that or take the next person.
Hello. Thanks for joining us. This is Dr. Shiva. And we’re here at the open forum, expecting Maricopa County officials to join us. We’re closing in on three hours straight. Yeah, this is the Watson. I Steve Yeah. Hi, Steve. Where are you from? I’m from Polk County, Florida. Hey, city. Yep. Nice to have you, Steve.
Yeah, I’ve been bothering quite a bit of things. I’m the secretary for the rec here. I’m the president of a republican club. And also the leader for the center, Florida here in a county. We’re doing canvassing, you got campuses out now.
And we just started a couple weeks ago and got a lot of people that are out canvassing, we got affidavits. But I ran for city Commissioner two years ago. And I lost the election. And after afterwards, we asked for the phone records of the city commissioners.
And in those some of the text messages we got from the phone call. It said that one Commissioner was asking another Commissioner Do you have any more mail in ballot And the commissioners response was, yeah, I’ll bring them over.
So we’re getting there for at the ground level, wow, here, we’re going to fight base, I call the second or the supervisor elections. He said, You got to call the Secretary of State, call them, you got to call the district attorney. So they really just run you out and Circle Circle after circle after circle until you give up. And that’s basically what I had to do.
You know, I couldn’t I didn’t have the money for a lawsuit or anything like that. But you know, it’s waiting down here at the bottom, in addition to the city legend. And we’ve seen it over and over and over again, this helped try and help other commissioners and other cities around us trying to get elected by and they did you see it over and over and over again.
No, they manipulated the election. But it’s just it’s a it’s a real battle. But what I’m at what I want to ask is, I know where you’re at there, you’re, you know, you got a lot of work to do. And what we want to see down here to bottom is, no matter what, don’t give up. That’s a good and if I can go back and tell my people here in Polk County, that those folks up there, they told me no matter what, they’re not going to quit. I had to quit.
There’s no there’s no there was nobody to step in and help me. No, there was no there was no way that I could turn. But in your case, you’ve got you got a lot, a lot of heads behind you. A lot of people that you know, people are mad because of this presidential election. And we want to hear from you that if this takes 10 years, and you’re not going to give up but you’re just going to keep on fighting because our country.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:01:45
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think I think some people may know that. For me, this has been a long battle. You know, I came from an India which had a caste system, you know, people my background weren’t even supposed to even ever get educated. The fact that my parents got it. Yeah.
I actually lived in South America for 17 years. No missionary work without American Indian. Yeah, understand exactly what you’re talking about.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:02:14
Yeah. So you know, my journey has been always, you know, a deep interest in medicine and systems and politics. So I never voted until you know, when Donald Trump ran. But and then when we when I ran for election here in Massachusetts, we found out that the Massachusetts GOP, which is the center of the swamp in many ways, because they collude completely with the democrat elite, they’re just one.
And they didn’t want an outsider like me, they literally stole the election that the Massachusetts GOP and the democrats colluded together against a, you know, a guy who came Bottoms up. And they can’t have that.
And in fact, they continue to do that, in fact, their new chameleon is to act as though they’re trumpers, you know, that they’re also anti establishment, they’re part of the establishment, and they’re saying they’re against the mandates and against this, when they’re just using it to raise money.
So part of what I wanted, I want to play, you know, the video that I played earlier, is that we need to recognize that we need to build a movement in this country. And the movement has to be about working people not relying on any one individual, not a celebrity, not a billionaire, or billionaires or, you know, not a politician, it’s got to be a bottoms up movement.
So when I keep saying the system’s approach, what I just shared with you, is that systems approach the other thing we’ve done is we now have about 60,000 people worldwide who are getting trained in the systems approach.
I took all those 50 years of knowledge I acquired including my degrees at MIT, and I’ve figured out a way to teach people systems in a very simple way. And then we’ve created a community of people, we’ve made it really, really accessible to everyone.
And we’re doing it on our own infrastructure. So I want to play a quick video, that it’s about our truth, freedom and health movement, and then we’ll take people on because everyone’s asking, you know, how can we learn about systems?
So john, I’m going to just play this video if you don’t mind. So let me play this video but thank you for your comments. Now we’re never gonna give up we’re here for to win this in the long haul. So I’m going to just play a little video here.
That’ll give an example of what it means to really go and win. So let me john, is this the right one? This one right here. Yeah. Okay, so I’m going to play this video, and I’ll give everyone an idea. Hello, this is Dr. Shiva IRA.
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I hope you become a truth freedom and health warrior scholar today. Thank you. Alright, everyone, I just wanted to play everyone that video we just we’ve been on now for about what three hours right, john? So we have a number of callers calling in again to those of you joining us.
This is the open forum we’re doing to share with people our findings from the Maricopa audit, and also to encourage a dialogue. So we’ve had I think we’ve had probably 500 600 people calling in 2000 people I’m sorry, 2000 people have called in. So we can’t take everyone so we’re taking people as they come in. Go ahead, john. Let’s take the next person. So welcome whoever’s calling. Go ahead. Hello. Sorry for the delay. How are you? Oh, yes. How are you? Good afternoon.
Oh, I’m, I’m good. I’m sorry.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:09:38
What’s your question?
My name is um, but I have a few comments. And it seems to me that people are not really interested in being transparent these days. So I don’t think that we’re going to get a
an adequate About count, as far as collecting goes, and we can’t wait 10 years, because by 10 years, our nation have been lost. So my question is, what are our options?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:10:21
Yeah, so that’s a good question. So if you saw the video I just played, the only way that things have always changed, if you look throughout the world have been from movements, and movements, meaning the movement of people organizing, particularly working people. And you can look at this over and over again in history, and I want to, and it has been those movements, which have led to even any substantive change in the world.
Okay. And what’s happened over the last probably the last 50 years, is the educational system has made people think that the way you change the world is to vote in an election and, and the election systems, as we know, have serious problems, you use the word lack of transparency.
And that lack of transparency, is how the elections themselves are being run. Because that means you don’t have to be accountable to people that you can essentially rigged elections with this lack of transparency. So I want to show show with you show you an interesting graph that will make this point clear. Can you are you watching online?
So if you see this graph here, what you see here is a very interesting graph. What it is, is on the x axis is the number of years from 1900 to 19. You know, 8499 days, the y axis is the number of deaths by measle per 100,000. People You see that?
And what you see is, yeah, the number of deaths all the way up until 1948 went down, you know, you know, half a percent or less than that out of 100,000. So 98% or more of measles mortality fell by 1948. If you see that 15 years before the measles jab came around in 1963.
Okay, so 15 years before the measles job came out, nearly 98 to 99% of measles deaths, measles is an infectious disease was wiped away. So how did that happen? We’re always being told that you got to get the job, you got to get the job, right?
Well, if you go look at this period from 1900, to 1948, what happened during this period? What actually happened, what you find out is this is what was happening during the 50 years before that, first of all, women led mass massive movements.
Starting in Lowell, Massachusetts, which was the center of the Industrial Revolution, the mill girls started to fight for wage cuts against wage cuts, women started fighting for the 10 hour work day, right? Women were leading these movements all the way up until the right for it, in fact, human universal suffrage.
And it was these movements by the 1900s with the American working class, which had the first amendment in my view, the first Amendment’s completely been destroyed. And the second amendment led these working class movements.
So by the 1900s, by the way, it’s interesting, there was a pandemic Around this time, right, when people were rising up all over the world. And in this period, what you find is, by the 1920s, right, the people that were rising up, and the elites were so afraid, it wasn’t bills in Congress, it wasn’t lawsuits, it was a rising.
I mean, there’s pictures of millions of people protesting in Times Square, for example, okay. Nearly 25% of the American workforce was on strike at one point during this period, okay. And it was these movements that forced the elites to give people the eight hour workday that we developed hygiene and sanitation, right, eliminated child labor, got water systems.
So what really happened during this period was infrastructure. infrastructure is what bought down infectious disease. So the plumber and the, and the sanitation worker did a lot more, for far more for bringing down an infectious disease like measles, then did the pharmacists or the doctor.
So the reason I’m telling you this is by the way, if you look forward, you find out during 1940 1980, American workers continued to do you know there were nearly 52 million workers were on the streets striking by during this period, by the way during this period is when America’s economy grew the biggest when American workers wages grew 1940 1980. But starting in 1980, afterwards, what what happened?
Well, the elites were so afraid of the American worker rising up that in 1950, they did the McCarthy era, right. They said if you say workers unite, if you’re part of a trading and you must be a communist, you remember this, and they went after all workers, and they cut off the legs of the American workers from rising bottoms up and they create a top down unions with idiots like AOC and Bernie Sanders and these people who fool the American people. Okay, they don’t really support the American people, they talk a good game, and they happen to all get elected somehow, okay.
And what happened is during this period from 1940, now we don’t have strikes, only 7 million workers have struck very, so we don’t have the vibrant working class movements anymore. But this is why we’re in the situation today, I hope that gives you an understanding, when you take this systems approach, you realize that when we stop fighting, the those in power, essentially, you know, became more corrupt.
So we have to recognize that these election systems have become selections, in my view, right? Because the processes are so squishy. And so in order to even win, that it’s not going to come through Congress, hopefully, I hope the Attorney General does stuff, right.
But we can’t rely on them, when they see people building a movement bottoms up, when they see people really getting angry about this, then the politicians will do something, that’s my view on this, they’re not going to do anything, because we just say, hey, you should do something.
I mean, I’ll keep fighting on all fronts. You know, we’ll keep doing our science. You know, people like Phil, and I will keep doing our engineering will keep providing information, we’ll keep working in the system. But we’ll also encourage people to build a bottoms up movement.
I have a question. Don’t, there’s so many job openings in my area. One of the reasons that I am reluctant to get a job is because I’m afraid that I, they will fire me back feeling like that. A lot of people won’t or like to get that.
And then like the airline, people walking on the watch. Is that kind of like the the bottom up movement? Yes. Because, yeah, I don’t want to I’m not going to quit the job. I’m not going to get a job. And reform.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:17:11
Yeah, thank you. I have some more calls. But I’ll answer your question. Thank you. So the question is the call, do we need to build a bottoms up movement, like what happened with Southwest Airlines, you know, people building bottoms up, that’s exactly what we need to do.
And that’s why, you know, we created this whole educational program this community truth, freedom, health, calm. But the bottom line is, we need to, you know, talk at all levels with people. But we also need to recognize that no changes ever come out without a bottoms up movement.
And so the Southwest Airlines, right, what’s going on in Australia, working people essentially define their own unions. So if when it comes to election integrity, you’re gonna see a lot of politicians suddenly say they stand for election integrity, many of whom, like the guy I just played in Massachusetts, who participate in election fraud against our own campaign.
And we can’t be fooled anymore, because there are people pushing election integrity, touching, make donations, they’ll go, the way we’re gonna get elections not to be selections is through bottoms of movement is people starting to demand that election day really be a holy day, in many ways, we all participate, we get our kids to participate, high school students who participate, and we make it in my view, the processes are so difficult to really get a handle on that we need to, frankly go to hand count and paper ballots.
And all of us need to participate in local small precincts. It can’t be big is not better in this case, and more technology is not better. And we need to go small. Phil, do you have a point on this? You’re shaking your head. Let’s take the next. Yeah.
Just to echo your point is that from from an analysis standpoint, is it’s almost impossible to get any meaningful analysis, if you don’t have a pre st small level type data to work with? Okay, if you got one data point, there’s 30,000 people in it. It’s pretty much useless versus 30 data points with 1000 voters in each.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:19:13
Yeah, it’s interesting, because who’s a caller? We have? Hello. We haven’t. Yeah, one of the things I want to mention is, hi, how are you? I just want to finish one, Facebook, gay $50 million for an organization call for the Center for election Innovation Research run by a guy called David Becker, very, very unethical guy, if you look at his history, okay?
And what they want to do centralized vote tabulation. In fact, what they want to do is they want to eliminate small precincts and glue glommed them all together. So you can’t really see any of these anomalies, because when you make it all one big precinct, it’s hard to see the anomalies. So that’s a lot of what’s also going on. Hi, go ahead. Hello. caller who do we have? Hello. We have the person with us, john. Yeah. Hello. Got the next caller? Hi, who do we have?
Hello, got Andy from Michigan. Hi, Andy, how are you?
I’m doing fine. How
are you? Oh, good. Great to have you. But do you mind if we return to the valuables?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:20:28
Okay, so if you take a look at an original envelope it compared to the issues that you have. But you’ve actually have like, blocked read that text above the signature block things sign within the box. In your pictures, you’ve got like an outline of it. Now, this could never happen in a simple compression process where you just say, using less resolution than a JPEG. So something big is going on here. One example of what
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:21:02
I mean let me bring it up. Let me let me I want you to educate everyone on what’s your background, let let people understand your background to Andy.
So I have a lot of the same credentials that you from different university and I’ve clicked involved in Arizona.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:21:16
Okay, so let me let me bring up the let me bring up the presentation here. Okay. I have to
anyway, just want to echo
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:21:42
my Yeah, yeah, we were gone. Can you just reduce the volume a little bit because we don’t need it that loud. Okay. Let me bring up the images that you’re talking about Andy. Um, so we have Andy from Andy are from Maricopa to.
I did work there. Okay, great.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:22:02
All right. Let me bring this up. Okay. So I have let me Can you see the screen Andy, what I’m doing here. So let me let me bring this up. I’m going to bring up the CIO, and he’s going to point out an anomaly that he’s seeing in the images itself. And this is one of the reasons why to do this. Because, you know, the more people we bring into this, so is this. Is this what you want me to bring up here? Is this good?
Might be a little bit late. Let me give it a second. Okay. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Okay, so you’ve got that picture yet. But if you were to actually look at the original ballot, envelope, it’s like a green envelope. It’s got red, red writing, and where it says sign within the box, and then has the Spanish translation. That’s all black red text in the original.
Yep. Here, it’s like it’s like an outline. Yep, definitely noticed that the arrow that you have trouble with covering or not covering the verified and approved? Yeah, it’s, it’s like, it’s like an empty triangle. In the original. It’s a solid black. Yeah, yep. This could this could never this change this more morphing could never happen, just by changing the number of pixels in the image.
Right, so not just the compression, it’s a wholesale change of the image. In one of the ways that this is traditionally done, is you can take, like some command line utilities that allow you to take the raster and turn it into a vector. And I did that, and it didn’t produce this image. The nature of the compression is really complicated.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:23:47
And let me let me bring up let me bring
that they never talked to any of us when we tried to talk to them.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:23:53
Let me bring up the people. Here’s the original image, Andy. So this is what they look like. Okay. So you have all right, I put up on the screen, the actual one of the images, the green with the red, if you can see it. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yep. So the point you’re making is when you compress this, they’re claiming you get this, okay. In a normal binary compression?
Yeah, yep. And it’s just, it’s just not the case. They have to be doing something extraordinary in their compression. And they’re not going to share that with you. In the point I really want to make about this is that this, this relatively simple issue becomes real complicated when you go look into it.
This happened 10,000 times in the audit, and everybody wants to know, you know, why did it take so long to get through the audit, and it’s because there’s 10,000 cases of this, that happened over and over and over again, in which there was no cooperation whatsoever.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:24:51
When you mean 10,000. There’s more than 10,000 you’re talking about the military. I’m not
talking about 10,000 envelopes. I’m talking about this issue of how this was compressed. converted. If one issue, then you have like duplication how things are duplicated, right? You have right thing, you know how things were boxed and numbered and, and mixed together like a puzzle. Every one of these things extended the audit and made it a horrible, difficult painful procedure.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:25:18
Yeah, thank you. Yes. So what you’re saying is, I think, Andy, what you’re bringing out is all of these. I mean, when we brought this up, right, we actually found examples where that that stamped on love comes above the small triangle. And they actually said, Oh, that’ll never occur.
But we have examples of that. And I think the fact that they are doing compression, and never told anyone, is, to me, the transparency of not telling you that and not telling what kind of compression you did is really important. And what are the thresholds you set? Because without having knowledge of that, you can’t really understand how they’re doing the signature verification algorithms, right? Because it’s gonna affect right. algorithms. Yep.
Yeah, yeah. Well, so then moving on to a much bigger picture. Yep. You know, I heard one of your people earlier, say, you know, we need we need an accurate count. In that’s just only a tiny picture of this, you got to look out in scope and say, how does the ballots get to where they are?
How did they get to the draw? Exactly. And you’ve got some people, you’ve got some people now looking into the video footage, surrounding the drop boxes, you’ve got people who are saying, some, some USPS people walked into a precinct, and they didn’t even have a proper uniform on or they jumped at stump the tray of ballots, there has to be Chain of Custody on these things. And somebody needs to look at this from a much more holistic view, a much bigger picture in order to get to the bottom would happen.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:26:49
Yeah, I think look, yeah, I think what, what Phil and I were saying at the outset of this call, is that it’s a Maricopa officials were intimating not intimating, but essentially directly saying, We don’t really care about the envelopes, it’s the it’s the ballots, we just want to count the ballots. And that is a very unfortunate way of misleading and making the public ignorant of this systems process. And it’s the entire process that matters.
So you have a bunch of people saying voter IDs are going to fix this while voter IDs are not going to fix it. Right? Because that’s just something you’re putting in because it’s the process. It’s you could have voter IDs, and you could still have the exact same problems.
And that’s what we need to get over. So you have a bunch of opportunists now, saying voter IDs, voter IDs, voter IDs, right? Okay. Yeah. But that doesn’t solve this fundamental process issues. It’s never going to solve it unless you actually get down and we make transparent, the processes end to end and checkpoints are put in. Or you just eliminate this nonsense in some ways, because it’s creating so much complexity versus decentralizing it. At the local level,
you’re exactly right. Yeah. So they’ve
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:27:59
created this very interesting, complicated process of so many points of frankly, vulnerability. And maybe it was designed for that. That’s what you have to start thinking, especially if you don’t share the esops. The standardized operating procedures. It’s great to have complex procedures, but share the esops Thanks, Andy.
Yeah, it won’t. Yep. Yeah, is that you know, you and I’ve looked at very complicated engineering systems, their child’s play compared to the Arizona audit, it’s the most complicated Rube Goldberg system you’ve ever seen.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:28:37
Wow. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. I want to as John’s bring up, the next thing I wanted to share with people on October 6, we issued a response to a hit job piece that was done by not really a news organization, but a nonprofit, which acts like a news organization. And in the head of that, and the title of that it was very interesting. No one has really talked about this.
Let me bring this up. I wanted to share this to Andy’s point Andy’s a systems guy is that we had a wonderful letter that came in by one of the esteemed engineering professors in the world. Professor Debbie Nightingale. She’s a University Distinguished Professor now in Florida.
She’s a member of the National Academy of Sciences. She’s also a retired professor of engineering systems, aeronautics at MIT. And she’s former director of MIT social technical systems research and then she was commenting on the report that we did, and obviously there’s some very nice comments that she says about me upfront, you know, that the fact she’s known me I’m renowned system scientist, but what she says is very powerful because she says to be sure I have reviewed Dr. Chivas audit reports submitted to the Arizona State Senate.
The report is stellar met all of its objectives and more importantly provides the thought leadership of engineering systems theory that is now necessary to move beyond the partisanship. So we may squarely address the election integrity issues. So in this analysis that she or this letter that she wrote, she says to be clear, she says I’m a Democrat.
I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for Joe Biden 2020. Dr. Shiva is a Republican, he voted for Donald Trump in 2016. And she goes a recent ad hominem attacks against Dr. Shiva by Maricopa County officials effector through their proxy, attempting to box them into a predefined category must be a true address, particularly given the racial subtext. Dr. Shiva is a true independent thinker in deeds, not words, he cannot be put into some reductionist box.
He has put his life into fighting the swamp, and she talks about my position. They said, You know, I didn’t invent email. She says lucky did invent email. It’s a system. We’re not talking about electronic messaging. But the key point she brings up here is that the Arizona State Senate was wise in commissioning Dr. Shiva to participate in this audit.
We did it for bargain at 50k. But most importantly, she says, I hope Democrats or Republicans unite around Dr. Chivas thought leadership, which calls for an engineering systems approach that will foster a culture that welcomes those who report anomalies, identifies root causes, and implement solutions so Americans get the fair and transparent elections they seek and deserve.
This is how we unite America by solving the underlying systems issues, not as Dr. Shiva states by perpetuating partisanship, vitriol and controversy. I believe the state of Arizona and the country as a whole would be greatly served by both examining current operating procedures and adopting the recommendation Dr. Shiva makes for improvements in the voting systems.
As I understand Dr. Trump, sorry, Donald Trump recently praised Dr. Shiva his work at a rally in Georgia. Dr. Shiva has been highly critical of him for not doing enough against the swamp. If Donald Trump can take criticism and even praise a critic. I believe election officials in Maricopa County can do better. So I thought this is a wonderful, well balanced letter.
Phil, you saw this right? And I mean, here you have one of the esteemed professors of engineering system science, saying, look, Donald Trump and I can have differences. I can vote for him. You can vote for a Democrat, you can vote for a Republican, but this is an engineering systems problem. And all of us need to unite on this.
We saw Tim Canova earlier a Democrat, talk about what happened to him by Democrats. Okay. I just spoke about how republicans a mass GOP attacked me our election against 3000 volunteers, and no one should be supporting these guys for election integrity be Democrat or Republican. It’s going to happen by We the People Bottoms up.
Let’s take the next call, john. Oh, Hi. How are you? Hello, this is Dr. Shiva. Please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re calling from in your question. Hello. Hello, you’re live. Hello, hello. Do we got you? Okay, we got somebody but we don’t hear him. You can put them down in the queue. JOHN green backlit. Okay. Let’s take the next caller.
Hello. Hi. How are you? Hello. Yes. Hi, Dr. Shiva. How you
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:33:39
doing? Good. How are you this seductress? You have please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re calling from.
Thank you. My name is mckeldin. I’m calling from Los Angeles County. Oh, great to have you. Thank you. I have a two part question for you. And I apologize in advance if you already answered this question earlier in your shell. But I wanted to find out from you.
What is the preliminary process that a grassroots group of people should do to be able to make an official request for forensic audit in their county? Because there are so many groups of people that are coming together on a grassroots level, we tend to have infighting within the group on what is the right process and in order to get to initiating an official request for forensic audit.
And my second question is this what is your opinion in relation to establishing a review system of the election ballots prior to the election prior to the election year to kind of help battle with you know envelopes being formally put together to kind of see if you for me with recall Gavin Newsome that envelopes had two holes that you can see if it yes will recall or no for me, I heard about it.
I am in the envelope. So my point is is what came Due to establish their review system in a year, coming up to an election year, so that we can prevent these types of things occurring in our county.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:35:10
Yeah, so let’s look at let’s sort of, you’re asking some great questions. Look, the reason Maricopa occurred, if you remember, was fill in, I did a presentation. It was at a hearing a public hearing that was held right below, where we tried to re simulate what would occur and that video went viral. And it really got people concerned that the improbability of the Donald Trump results, you know, against the Biden. And in fact, I think President Trump tweeted out impossible result, okay.
But, you know, he was on twitter at the time I was on Twitter. And we had huge reach and and people got really upset. Since then both he and I’ve been thrown off Twitter. And we don’t have those public hearings. Right. So ultimately, what’s happened is because government and big tech are so in bed together, they’re controlling narratives right now, they saw what happened in Arizona, and I don’t think they want an audit to occur anywhere else again.
Okay. So the only way it’s going to occur is first of all, you know, one of the simple simple things we did and if you email me at VA Shiva at VA Shiva calm, I’ll hook you up with a number of people we have in Arizona, because we have a whole election integrity unit we started creating is that in your local towns, or your local precincts, or in your local counties, you can go ask for two numbers in the last election.
And you can issue a four if we have a, if you go to our website, I think it’s a va.com slash clean elections. If you email me, we teach people how to do this. But you can ask them, How many voters came in to vote, okay. V number of people, and how many ballots were cast? Right? Let’s call that P, right? p being the number of people and B being the voters ballots cast p should equal V, right?
So about 1000 people came in to vote, you should have 1000 ballots. Well, when we did this analysis, we have never found PD equal v. Okay? Even in towns you’re asked to it’s it’s the the number of votes cast, and sometimes 3000 more than the number of people. Now you can issue that with a simple public records request. Okay?
And if you can eat anyone listening, if you email me at VA Shiva, at VA Shiva calm. And if you go to truth, freedom, health comm you can sign up as a member, there’s no cost or anything, or you can sign up as a warrior. But we’ll, we’re educating people on how to do this, we have paperwork, we actually have created the forms, etc. Okay. So that’s one thing.
Okay, in terms of getting an audit done? Typically, you know, this involves bringing in the legislature, right? Or, you know, petitions, you know, varies based on the local rules, okay. in Maricopa it was the Arizona State Senate, okay, which got involved, to execute the audit and bring in contractors, etc. But I believe ultimately, this has got to be bottoms up movements, you know, at local, local, local, where people got to learn, what is a ballot image, right?
What are these envelopes? So one of the things we want to do is, I mean, here we’re doing it. I mean, we’ve learned a lot, you know, in over the last couple years doing this, but we want to start creating tools for people like you to go demand, get information and essentially give you auditing tools, you say, and we want to decentralize this.
So that’s one of the things that we’re preparing to do. But if you email me, I can give you the forms you can do to issue the FOIA and then I can connect you with people on how to get the audit, you know, it start doing audits in your local counties.
There Thank you. Very, yeah,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:38:54
So again, VA Shiva at va shiva.com. By the way, I have a number going out here, it’s been almost four hours. Neither john or I or Phil have had any food or lunch. We’re just going at it as a marathon for four hours. So good. But you see a number I have there. For the American officials.
We’ve invited them perhaps the public should invite them they’re number 60250635356025063535. Please call them and tell them that we want to have an open dialogue. We don’t want the press to be intermediary spreading disinformation misinformation?
Why don’t we’ve given them by the way, they’re on call in number, right? Phyllis, send them to that we gave them their own number, which means they’ll be moved to the top of the queue. So we’d like them. We invite them if not today.
Maybe they can tell us when they’d like to come on. We will do another appointment, you know, but we believe as engineers as working people, we need to have dialogue working person to working person, we need to eliminate all the middlemen. We don’t need. These press people in the middle, you know, selling ads, you know, when they’re very very ignorant people.
They don’t know, frankly, how to do any kind of reporting except trying to throw kerosene on a fire to split America even more. We don’t need to be split, we can come together, we can look at a problem. mothers do this every day, they have a problem with their baby, they figure out the problem is they take it to the doctor, they solve it, okay?
Phil, you do this in your business, I do this in my business, something’s not working. We don’t scream and yell and call people names, right? And just it ends here, we say what’s the root cause? The key word here is root cause it’s called root cause analysis. And maybe we should do a whole video on that. Okay, the stamp doesn’t look like that.
What’s the root cause? Let’s find it. Let’s resolve it. Let’s document it. So we don’t have to deal with it again. And if you have documentation, release it, let’s take the next call. And by the way, I want to thank Phil Evans and john medlar. here who are helping us we’ve been here non stop. Thank you.
Thanks for having us.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:40:58
You’re you’re live with Dr. Syed please introduce yourself and tell us where you are. And where you’re calling from.
My name is Bob and I’m from Pima County.
Oh great to have you Bob. How are you?
I have great I’m working on becoming a committee man I love the local bottoms up thing you’re pushing and you’re I think you’re right. So I just wanted to share something I got 3 million ballots for this upcoming 11 three election here to my house.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:41:27
Can you look repeat that louder so everyone hears what you said you got three mail in ballots? Go ahead.
Yeah, I got an email and ballot and one of them is mine. And two of them are someone else. Okay. And so I noticed on my mail and ballot there’s a postage stamp. You know, it has a flag now QR code says 73 cents us postage, you know when they run it through the mail system. But the other two that I got that have no the names I don’t know have no Mail Print out on them. I mean, no stamp. It’s like they didn’t go through the proper mail part system. Wow. Know what I mean?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:42:10
Yeah. Can you can you can you take a picture of those and send them to us?
Yep. Yeah, let your email Yeah,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:42:17
let me give you my email. V is in Victor A’s and Apple Shiva V A Shiva. at VA. She va.com By the way, in Arizona, an election is going on right now. Right? Yes. Okay. Um, so what
I wanted to know was,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:42:33
someone just said Steve Bannon was just arrested. Is that true? Yeah, so so one of them has a bulk rate postage and the other two don’t. That’s what you’re telling me for? Basically, you have the right Yugi. You You got the mail in ballots? And then you’re supposed to mail them in? Yeah, come on in. And one has, so you can mail it in the other two don’t?
Yeah, I’m actually came to me that that went through the Postal Service symbol stamp. I have and the other two look like, I mean, they have no stamp on them. So I’m wondering, I always look at my mail and I get stamps on them, or the ones that are prepaid postage, you know, right. And in this case, it’s not. And it makes me think that the Postal Service is doing something sketchy, like just filling up the boxes and delivered extra ballots.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:43:22
Yeah, why did why didn’t you set? Why don’t you send them to us? Because it’s fascinating VA Shiva at VA Shiva calm. Because, you know, we have been asked on the return on envelopes to submit evidence to the Attorney General, and this is something maybe we should also submit.
Okay, well, I’d like to support that. Yeah. Just wanted to say I’m a system engineer, and I, Oh, excellent. I’m totally into simulations and stuff like that. So I really enjoy the level at which you teach. And I think you’re doing a great job, sir.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:43:54
Yeah, go to truth, freedom, health comm we need people like you because we’ve created the curriculum, but we need more people to learn it and teach it to others. So we’ve created a decentralized. Yes. So please, please join because we’re creating a bottoms up movement, because that’s the only way that we’re going to take back any responsibility for ourselves.
If politicians are not going to do it. We have to recognize that they watch which way the wind blows, it’s going to be us people getting educated. It’s time that American people recognize that we have to take accountability for our lives. And we’ve gotten to this situation because we slept. We can’t really blame anyone. We got to blame ourselves.
Absolutely. All right. Yep.
Thank you. And I just want to say one thing real quick. Yeah, that I get all my knowledge on the MG show on telegram. Okay. I mean great guys there and I encourage everyone to get to the MG show
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:44:47
the MG show Okay, well
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:44:49
Okay. And I’m sure everyone go there and tell
me a little bit on there and Okay, everyone, even even your host. I mean, he called him before was on there. Yeah. If you guys want to go
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:45:00
You’re great, thank you. And it just reminds We’re also on telegram on Facebook and YouTube. Everyone go there. Go ahead. We still have about two. Wow, 2600 people still strong on here. Let’s go. We have about 2018 minutes left in our broadcast. What do we have?
Hello, this is Dr. Shiva live. And with Phil Evans and john, please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re calling from. Can we guess, Liz? Trying to get back on? We can try to call her. Hi, how are you? Okay, let’s go to the next person. Hello, hi, how are you? This is Shiva. Great to have you please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re calling from. And then please ask him
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:45:51
Hi, Ron, how are you?
Great. Couple observations. First off, great work and appreciate all that you guys are doing. You’re all coming in off appreciate a lot of what a lot of other people are doing in the audit and getting to the bottom of stuff. What what I’m finding out or seeing is that a winner in fracture, like there’s all this use for everyone that is has no incentive to get to the bottom of things. Uh huh. So I haven’t gotten there. yet.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:46:32
So your point is that many of these people have no intention to get to the bottom of things. Right.
Correct. So they use your aha moment as to change the outcome of the election.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:46:46
Yeah, I think you’re bringing up a good point,
even though the Yeah,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:46:52
someone I just want to recognize laurieann Jacob, she just wrote in She goes, I trained to be an election Inspector, what should I look for? It’s sort of related to what you’re saying. Thanks, laurieann. And she came in on our Super Chat right on YouTube. But what I want to, I think the reality here, right, is first of all, you’re right, we did a portion of the audit, obviously, related to the mailing envelopes.
But you had a tremendous amount of dedicated people from the cyber ninjas, people from Liz Harris, as people are still out there. There’s a lot of very, very dedicated people working on this.
And I think what’s happening is, this is actually inspiring, hopefully other people to participate, but to Lori Ann’s question, and to your thing, the reality is, people need to recognize that any anomaly they see all anomalies are good, insignificant, or large, you know, Verner von Braun, who created literally created the American missile program, right, the rocketry program, his culture and engineering was, you could have an engineer who find something really innocuous.
And let’s say they find out, that’s no big deal. You don’t say, hey, you found something that was useless. And it’s no big, big deal. Sometimes you may find an engineer who actually find something big. And it turns out, it’s not a big thing. His view was all anomalies, small or large, right? insignificant or monumental.
They’re all very important. And that’s the culture we need to have. When we look at something like the election voting systems. We need to have a culture where we encourage that. And we need to have a system aka we found that we resolved it, and it was document like this, like you would do a note any other type of thing. In any other system. Steve, right. So I think
everyone vote that is canceled out? Is my vote.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:48:41
Yeah, exactly. And and if you if you have if you have a systems issue, and you don’t resolve that that could affect 1000 votes, right, or 10,000 votes.
Absolutely. So I think there’s no incentive on the Republican side, or the democrat side to change the system. It’s like, I don’t want to rock the boat as a linear system. I don’t want to create a problem that’s going to create a problem for myself by looking at these problems.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:49:06
And I think the reason, I think the reason for that, I think the reason in my conclusion that’s been done when you start looking at what occurred to us in Massachusetts here, Tim Canova and all these races, is that one could argue it’s pre, it’s all pre decided this Democrat, Bernie will lose to Hillary in this case, and then he’ll take people off the streets and bring them to Hillary, or Trump will lose to Biden, in this case, or Hillary will lose to whatever you want to say, right?
And that’s all pre decided. And then they have enough ways because the systems are so squishy, right? That the job gets done. That’s what it surely looks like to me. And I’m not going to change that opinion until someone gives me the slps because if you really want to resolve this, you would publish the slps they would be fully accessible, but because you keep everything so Oh, Cake. And it seems there’s really an error resolution on the establishment of Republicans or Democrats ever to really resolve this. It’s not to their benefit.
There’s also there’s other two ways two ways to look at this a very, very simple, simple thing, one person, one vote, I put an X on a piece of paper and someone else counted paper about now it’s full of justification for that. And then the SOC is being, you have a complicated system, but you have checks and balances in the system all the way from end to end to identify any of these inconsistency consistencies. Right? So we’re on where the lights have been squishy, we’re in the middle of that. Well, the thing is, we’ll women, part of the political political body that has any incentive to get rid of the squishing,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:50:52
right. That’s why one way to eliminate the squishiness to make the process simpler.
You know, you’ll resonate all the data, paper ballot. I’m all for that.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:51:02
Yeah, I think it should be straight up paper ballots, small communities, people count them, they image them right there. And it’s the votes are counted at the end of the period. And it’s election day. And it’s just, you just broadcast at every little community. And then you just add them all up. Everything is transparent, then it’s you really. Yeah,
thank you. And then that gets the decentralization point. And the decentralization point of DC being the center of the political,
political, right, right. You nailed it,
and, and to get rid of the decentralization of all the money going to the See, quote, unquote, the swamp, right. needs to be eliminated. A simple solution would be to get the agencies decentralized from DC. Yep. And I’m starting with is called dc in, okay. It’s a very simple law, which would say, move all agencies out of DC.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:52:07
It’s excellent. Yeah. So we should connect to go to have go to truth, freedom, health, calm, and let’s connect there. Because you’re,
I’ve been following you for two years and three years. Okay. And, and as far as this movement, and being part of the system, I’m all for it. But the point of CCN is that it’s one message, okay. In Brexit,
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:52:36
okay, let me do this, because we haven’t got 10 other callers, but please email me and let’s touch base. Thank you. We’ll do thank you very much.
I appreciate everybody working.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:52:47
Thank you. Phil, do you have any comments? You’ve been quiet?
Well, the decentralization that’s going on now, or that the centralization that’s going on now is is a huge, huge issue. And I think people need to be aware of what’s going on.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:53:06
Hi, you’re live with Dr. Shiva. Please introduce yourself. Thanks, Phil. And tell us where you’re going. Hi, this is Dr. Shiva. Who’s this.
My name is Jim.
I live in Memphis.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:53:18
Hi, Jim. How are you? Good to have you. Hey,
I’m, uh, I’m really honored. I really want to like this a lot of feedback here. So it’s gonna be hard to talk, but I really want to encourage everybody to make a sign. Go outside, stand on the corner like I do. And hold up 50 states, y’all. It’s done. It’s my idea of grassroots. Excellent.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:53:41
Yeah, so so so Jim, you’re in Memphis. So you’re telling people to go out? Hold up a sign audit every election, right?
Yeah, I’ve done that. I actually flew to Phoenix and met Liz Harris. in Canvas there had a great time, and 105 degree heat. And I know you got to get off the telegram. You got to go outside. You got to get some women involved in. Just go outside.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:54:05
Excellent. Let me try to call. Let me see if I can get Okay, good, john. Hi, this is Dr. Shiva, you’re live. Please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re calling from.
Yes, my name is Larry Carlton, and I’m in Denver, Colorado. Hi, Larry. and quick. Yep. Hi there. Hi. My question is, I have an engineering background and I use a lot of logic can. I was good at my job. And now I look at this election and I saw the Trump rallies and I saw the Biden rally and it’s obvious that the election was stolen.
Anybody with any kind of logical would would see that it And we see that ends have millions of votes were either added or scraped, or whatever that make the election the way they wanted it. But my point here is that the only way you can steal 10s of millions of old is to do with the machine. And Dominion has been completely taken out of the equation.
And the machines have not been audited. They have not done what they were supposed to do when they were getting subpoenaed. And yet, nothing is done about that. And why hasn’t the source code in the chat? and seeing where there’s funding going on in the machine? Yeah, you bring them good, and why don’t
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:55:56
you bring up a really good question. Let
that have it? Well, yeah. So
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:55:59
you bring up a great question. Look, we were when we did the analysis back, when was it film November? Right. So the question is, why is the machines being left out of this? We, you know, our conclusion was that there is a feature on these machines called a weighted race feature.
Okay. Now you’ve had the election, quote, unquote, fake election integrity people, I believe, break he’s against this concept, right, though, that weighted races and all these kinds of things go on, right. He In fact, attacked me on this right.
He has been attacking you on that correct? Yeah. People have been
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 1:56:37
sitting on the election integrity movement, who I call the controlled opposition. They only want to talk about election integrity, when they can control they don’t want the movement to go into certain areas. And this is the unfortunate status state of this.
So they don’t want it to go to the fullness of understanding. So there’s this, there’s the Malin issues, there’s people getting ballots as Liz Harris just came back on that, you know, getting it into places that no one can verify. But one of the fundamental things is that these machines have the capability to multiply votes by a factor it’s called a weighted race feature.
And in our election in Massachusetts, we calculated that factor about was about point six, six rights, two thirds. And you can see this also. So you know, I think the reality is you have the machines which have these features, you have this squishiness in mail in ballots, you have the UPS upstream, efforts that are being done, where people are getting multiple ballots, this color just talked about, he just got three ballots to one ballot looks a certain way the other ballots looked different.
Liz is there canvassing efforts are showing people are getting ballots to places that no one even resides. And in their canvassing efforts are finding that someone said I voted, right. But there is no vote record. So my view this is they’ve created a system which is not tight.
It has a number of places where you can inject in, quote unquote, fraud by the fact that it’s become very loosey goosey in the systems. So you’re absolutely right, we haven’t even discussed I mean, I discussed it in our machines, and what happened here in Massachusetts. But the simple way for anyone else, anyone here to go check that you can issue a public records request in your local town and ask for two numbers asked for them for the participating voters list.
How many people voted in your town? Let’s say that’s the, you know, our P the number of people that voted 20 people voted, and then how many ballots were cast. So let’s say if 10 people voted, there should be 10 ballots. This is a very simple check that you can see this p equal v. And more than likely I’ve yet to find many of these places where P equals v. But thank you. You’re absolutely right. It’s 356. We’ve been on for four hours. Liz, do you want to add anything to that?
Well, what I want to add, I don’t know if you’ve covered this because I’ve been listening on and off. Yep. We have a special agreement. Did you cover that at all? Where the special master john Shattuck, it former US Congressman is going to oversee the analysis of the routers and the log files.
I hope that he chooses someone like Ben cotton of cipher to do this analysis because this is what I’m relying on to help confirm the the modification of data. We have seen massive modification of data from September 1, up until today. And again, if this special agreement is not honored, and this is we don’t get these routers and we don’t get these log files.
Unfortunately, the Maricopa County audit is going to be incomplete. So I want to encourage everyone to I don’t even I don’t know john shadow key is not a public figure anymore. As far as you know, being an elected official, but once again, right now Maricopa County, our audit is not done and we are hit I am very much relying on this data in order to show how these votes got modified.
Because I just have to reiterate, data is being manipulated. And it’s not just a miracle, but it is throughout the United States.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:00:29
Thank you, Liz. We’re going to take one, one more caller. It’s almost 4pm. Let’s take the last caller. Thank you. By the way, I want to thank everyone for participating. Thank you, Liz. Thanks, Phil. Thanks, john. Thank you for all the great amount of work and dedication everyone’s put in. Thank you. Go ahead. Let’s say Hi, this is Dr. Shiva, Ollivier. Please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re from.
is Victor. I’m from upstate New York, Central New York.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:00:57
Well, hi, Victor. How are you?
Hi, I’m good. I’m also soft. everything you’re doing in that regard? analyzing everything. So I wanted to ask you, I look at all the results of 17,126 duplicate envelopes that you found. And then there’s 255,000 plus votes that were not in the E. I believe the son file that
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:01:23
you that were not in the E 30. threes? Yep.
I think for a lot of people, when I ask this, why do we not know the count? I know the purpose of the audit was to find fraud and not find a winner. But why don’t we know the count of Biden and Trump in those family ballots?
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:01:43
in those which ballots
out of the 255,000 per instance. 80%
went to Biden,
did we not know that? Great question.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:01:55
That’s a great question. It’s It’s so I think the key thing that you’re bringing up is, is a again, a systems issue. The Eb 33 is the one that contains the early voting ballots, those numbers don’t match with the VM 55. That’s where every vote is counted. Okay.
Now everything should tally exactly right. So if you do a query on the VM 55, on the early voting balance that should match exactly, but they don’t. And, Liz, I don’t if you want to add anything to that, but this lack of, you know, and look at we have 6545 more ballots than on envelopes, okay, that we have in our possession, everything should tally across the board.
And I think that the key thing that everyone should leave with is that you have system a communicating with system B to communicating with system say, it’s a complex system, but at the end of the day, matter cannot be you know, first law of thermodynamics. matter cannot be created nor destroyed. ballot should not be able to be created nor destroyed.
Right? There should be Conservation of Matter. And we’re finding is there is no Conservation of Matter or energy. Right? You can’t account for matter, energy transfer. Yeah.
Sorry, I’m sorry to interrupt you. ask you this. There was a lot of talk right after presentation of the audit findings on Friday, that there was a lot of pressure on Doug Logan, and the cyber ninjas.
So that being said was was the decision to not release on those homily ballots. They’re on their part that they purposely not released that. Were they pressured not to release that.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:03:36
Yeah, I’m not aware of the I know, Doug was under a lot of pressure for all sorts of reasons. But right now, the Attorney General of the state of Arizona has asked if you saw the letter issued myself, Doug, Ben cotton and others to provide him data.
So any, because remember, no one can I can’t say there’s fraud. You can’t say there’s fraud only. It has to go through a criminal process. fraud is a criminal term. So the Attorney General wants data, he wants evidence, right? And then he will take that evidence and data. And, you know, look at where the laws and statutes have been violated.
And that’s the job of the Attorney General of the state of Arizona. So that’s so yeah, we’re right now today we have, we’re going to be submitting evidence. I know Doug submitted evidence, or he’s in the midst of submitting more. So we have an opportunity now to submit evidence, more evidence to the attorney general. So thank you very much in the interest of time, thank you so we don’t burn everyone out. Thank you, Liz.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:04:44
So it’s 4pm we want to encourage everyone to call the Maricopa state election officials let them know that we waited for them for how many hours, four hours, four hours. We are willing to do this again. Today’s Thursday. day where we are probably going to do a report on Maricopa at 6pm. Phil, if you let Mark Fincham know if he wants to join us live though.
So I’ll be back at 6pm doing a live of some wonderful analysis. Phil and I put together on Pima County. Okay. And Mark Fincham is a rep there. He and I did it before, frankly, the video came out. Okay, but I think we can do better live, Phil, is to join us, okay, let him know, we’ll do it, I’m going to take a little break, we’ll do it at six, okay. At that, or otherwise, you and I can just do it at six.
So we’re going to sort of move the movement forward by giving you some more data on Pima County. And we have called we have a very interesting anomaly we call the fishtail. We’ve seen Pima, and we want to thank Mark Fincher for getting this data for us.
So Phil, if you let Mark know, we can do that. Okay. We’ll do. All right. Well, everyone, I’ll be back at 6pm. I think Phil, what do you think I think was just do it today, right?
There’s no today.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:06:08
But I want to thank Phil, I want to thank john, I want to thank Michelle has been waiting here Liz Harris. And but most importantly, we have 2500 people concurrent here. Hmm. We had 3000 to 4000 people to try to call in with so therefore we know people, this election integrity issue is activated lots of people.
We want to encourage people that the ultimate way to resolve this is for everyone to get involved. And to take a systems approach. I want to encourage everyone to go to truth, freedom, health comm you can support the movement for a systems approach, you can support yourself. And so go there, sign up for one of the courses become part of the movement.
And we’ll be doing this again. I want to thank everyone for getting the word out. actually want to thank President Trump put out a notice, right. He said we want to thank President Trump if people didn’t see the letter, but I wish Joe Biden had put it out, you know, I can have my differences.
But I appreciate President Trump doing this. And I think he just put out a notice that we should not no one should even be voting in these elections. Right. So thank you, everyone. Be well be the light and let’s win this fight. Okay, for America. Thank you be well, and we invite the Maricopa election officials to call me my cell phone number 617631687.
For anyone in Maricopa election officials can call me 24. Seven. I will be extremely friendly. We will be fully transparent and sharing everything. And I’m sure Liz will and I’m sure everyone else. Well, we want to have dialogue. That’s how we unite Americans that have becoming a divided States of America. So it’s really up to both parties. But we’re fully open and the doors always open. Thank you, everyone be well.
Thank you. Thanks, Phil.
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai 2:08:02
Thank you, everyone. Be well.
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