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In this discussion, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, Inventor of Email, Scientist & Engineer, Independent Candidate for U.S. President, tells Kristi Leigh why America Needs A President like him who comes bottoms up from everyday working people, and why only a grass roots bottoms up movement can make such an independent candidacy happen.

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Now there’s a lot of division within the Republican Party we have Trump versus DeSantis. As well as in the Democratic Party, we have a Biden versus now RFK Jr. There is another candidate an independent candidate that says we need to stop looking at this left versus right divide and and start really going after what we need.

He’s no stranger to election funny business. He’s actually the first to expose the backdoor of Twitter. And he is we’re going to find out what Dr.

Shiva I Adoree stands for today. Today is Monday, May 22. I’m Christie Leah but yes, we are going to dive in with Dr.

Shiva Dori after this quick intro. All right. Before we go on, I want to invite each of you to come to our next open house for truth freedom health.

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You’ll meet lots of great people from across the world. Again, it’s every Thursday at 11am PST and again at 8pm PST simply RSVP at VA be the light now let’s go back to our program so much to cover that normally do it a little news blitz or something but we’re not going to bother with that today.

We’re gonna dive right in with our guest. He is Dr. Shiva, I Adoree.

PhD, there’s so much to say about him. He’s biological engineering, the inventor of email, a scientist, engineer, educator author, started seven successful high tech companies providing 1000s of jobs in Massachusetts. Now he’s an independent candidate for US president and he says he wants to serve America beyond the left and the right, divide.

And more importantly, he says he’s not just a typical political candidate. He’s one of us. He’s He’s not another lawyer or lobbyist or politician.

So welcome and Dr. Shiva, thank you so much for being with me today. Great to be here.

Chris. You hope you’re well. Yes, I always enjoy talking to you because you do have a very no nonsense straight to the point.

Fiery even way of speaking. It’s always educational and entertaining, and refreshing. Because sometimes people dance around you just you just say it like it is.

So I first wanted to address this tweet from you that you put out there. It says I’m the leading independent candidate for a US president known across America and globally by over 400 million. Here’s the ultimate litmus test for real journalist ask them to interview me if they refuse.

They are a grifter, scumbag? Who profits from the left right divide and or are so afraid if they put me on all the viewers will come to me since they will realize they were being bamboozled with half truths and delayed truth. So here I am. I’m a real journalist, interviewing Dr.

Shiva, never afraid to talk to you. So the latest to announce at presidency to make things more muddled. Friday is Tim Scott, do you have any thoughts? Is that coming as any surprise to you? Well, Christie, the reality is, if you look at this left, right, Democrats and Republicans, they have really no interest in the suffering of the American people.

Everything’s about raising money. It’s about power, profit and control. And it’s all about them.

None of these people have ever frankly worked a day in their life, like everyday Americans do and have come bottoms up. So to me, it doesn’t really matter. Any of those people are running.

One of the graphs that I shared, you know, in my announcement for president was a very simple graph. And it pretty much says it all. What this lesser of two evils are the political theater has gotten us and that graph, people can go look at, it’s upon all of our websites.

It’s up on Twitter, Facebook, but it’s a very simple graph, the x axis starts around 1980, and it goes to the present. And the y axis plots life expectancy, and it starts around 60. And it goes around to 85.

Now, if you look at that graph, there are two very important lines on that graph. Christie one line is a dark gray line, which goes at about a 60 degree angle starting at 1982. Today, and that dark gray line represents the average average life expectancy across all the industrialized nations.

And you see it’s going at an angle and it’s about 85 or 86 years old. But starting in 1980. There’s a red line there, which plots the life expectancy of America and are Americans and that graph was going up around 1980 to 1981, in parallel to that other graph, and then right around 1984, it goes Wackadoodle.

And by 2021, it starts dipping the other way. Simply put the life expectancy of your children in America, it’s going to be less than you if you’re an adult, and let that sink in. That’s what we should really be letting sink in.

And what it exposes is that both of these parties, Republicans and Democrats, their policies are literally destroying have destroyed the health of America. I just came back from Sardinia, I rarely take a vacation was more of a working vacation because we have a global movement called Truth, Freedom health, and we have a lot of leaders in Europe. And when I was there, one of the reasons I went there is in Sardinia, which is this island, which is very strategic to US and NATO interests.

There’s a region of Sardinia where people live over 100. And it’s the region where people live over 100 per capita higher than any part of the world. Alright, so it’s fascinating.

And so you get to understand, and you do the science on it, people have community friendships, a sense of spirituality. They all eat locally grown foods, but one of the most important things is to have the sense of community. And so people have over 100 plus highest per capita.

Now you would think we in America, policymakers want to learn what these people are doing. But instead since 1956, US and NATO have militarized Sardinia, 50,000 kilometers square kilometers of Sardinia are US NATO military bases. In fact, south of this region where people live over 100 is a region called quiera.

Where for the since 1956, we’ve been using quiera, US and NATO for weapons testing, particularly with depleted uranium weapons tests where thorium particles go into the air. And in that region, the shepherd’s they’re 65% cancer rate. And if you were born at the age of 25, you’re going to get cancer 25% chance.

So think about what these policymakers Republicans and Democrats have done both of them. They in the United States, they’ve destroyed life expectancy, essentially causing death sooner, more suffering, and then they export to other countries that same reduced life expectancy. So I would argue, all of these candidates, every single one of them, has not discussed this graph does not care about the American people why? Robert F.

Kennedy comes from the Kennedy mafia, he doesn’t give a damn about the American people. I know this guy, I’ve met this guy. Everything he says is forked tongue, Donald Trump with golden plated toilet seats.

Nice guy, but he has no really understanding of everyday Americans. He hasn’t pulled himself bottoms up. None of these guys have.

But the everyday Americans that I grew up with Christie, be it in New Jersey, or, you know, the, you know, the people, my grandparents who had nothing. Those are the people that I connect with. And those people are the ones who are suffering.

Those people’s relationships are the ones that are under stress, they’re being destroyed. And we know the number one cause of death is stress. In Boston right here, and literally less than a half a mile, you have the liberal elites who live up to 92 years old, and literally half a mile later, everyday poor black working class and white working class people, the maximum they’re hitting us 63 years of age.

So it’s a 29 year difference. So when you measure life expectancy, it pretty much says it all these people don’t give a damn about you, me or everyday working people. And that’s why our campaign is unique because as you know, you know, it was our campaign which first call that Fauci and 2020 Robert Kennedy was promoting lockdowns and everyone should go see what a scumbag he is.

Donald Trump, in spite of all the information I gave him, never fired. Fauci. So you can start using very simple litmus tests, Elon Musk, who unfortunately the Conservatives are being bamboozled into thinking Houston, free speech Savior was all for the COVID vaccine was all for lockdowns.

So we have to really measure these people, not by what they say. But what they actually did. Well, but here’s the thing, you were extremely vocal and critical of elections in general, you participated in exposing some of the problems.

And now you have announced that you’re going to run so you’re going to enter a system that you were critical of. Do you trust it yet? I mean, what, what’s the point and running in a system that you don’t think is going to be fair anyway? Yeah, so it’s a very, very good question. If you think about it, Christie when I was 1718 years old, I never but I never voted ever, in any American election, even though I was a US citizen until Trump ran.

Now why do Did I not ever vote? Because by the time I was 18, I realized elections were selections. And how did I realize that you may remember, I don’t know how old you are. But in 1984, there were two people and the Republicans.

I’m super young Dr. Shiva. Yeah.

You’re you’re 20. So you probably don’t remember. I mean, of course, no, I’m kidding.

Go ahead, resist like Ronald Reagan was running against a guy called Walter Mondale. And there was this other guy, who was claiming, saying all the right words to poor blacks and poor whites, a guy called Jesse Jackson. And he was running this campaign on a rainbow movement, what at the last minute, he gets on the floor of the Democratic National Convention.

And he says, oh, you know, we got to, we cannot, we have to have the lesser of two evils. And he gives all of his votes to Walter Mondale. And that’s when I realized that the way that this entire thing is structured, is you have the obvious wings of the establishment.

Right, the obvious swings, meaning today would be like the Clintons on the left, or the Mitch McConnell’s on the right. And then you have the wings that have the establishment that they’ve created that they flap their mouths and wings is to say enough stuff. So you have Bernie Sanders and AOC, who tried to act as though they’re for the proletarians.

Or on the right, you have people acting like though they’re for Christians and conservatives. But at the end of the day, they corral people back in the establishment. So I saw this dynamic as a kid.

So I never voted. What I did do though, Christie, I was very much a proponent of building movements. And what building a movement means you got to get your hands dirty, you got to get on the ground, you have to go hand out flyers, you have to talk to people, you have to go into places where you don’t just swoop in after someone’s organized a massive protest, like Kennedy does what you tried to do here, and we didn’t allow him to come because he’s best essentially hijacks movements, he never builds them bottoms up.

So I recognize that if you look at the arc of human history, anywhere on the planet, whenever we the quote unquote peasants or the slaves got anything it was when we collectively organized bottoms up, uncompromising where our words matched our deeds. And that is when real change comes from it’s never come from above, never come from politicians never come from legal pathways. But when you come to a point in your own existence, and you say, I don’t like the way the world is, and some people don’t get to that point, they accept everything.

But if you get to that point, those in power essentially offer people two paths today, right? They offer people well, you can file lawsuits, and rely on your lawyers, or you can run for office. But in either of those paths. One is called a legalism path or the opportunist electoral path.

Those are two of the things that are typically offered to a young, bright eyed and bushy tail person who wants to change the world. Both of those paths are within very controlled confines of the establishment, the legal system is controlled by corrupt judges. And the end, the electoral system is controlled by both parties where elections are selections, both parties cheat.

So why did I decide to run? Well, during periods of elections, every two years or every four years, the media put so much attention that citizenship is you going on one day and voting. So everyday people, ordinary people are talking about voting, voting, voting, so that is the framework for citizenship. So when I decided to run in 2018, against Elizabeth Warren, it was to bring up some very, very important issues that Republicans and Democrats would not bring up the issues of integrity.

Elizabeth Warren, it wasn’t just a race issue. This woman has no integrity. She’s really a racist.

And we hammered her it was our movement, our election, which expose the fact we were the ones who forced her to take the DNA, we can DNA tests, we completely expose her wasn’t Trump. Then when we ran in 2020, it was a Republicans who colluded with the Democrats to commit election fraud here in Massachusetts. But our running independently gave us the freedom to expose without compromise the backdoor portal to Twitter, which is what I discovered it wasn’t done by Tucker Carlson, he did nothing he waited.

He’s part of the problem. It wasn’t done by Elon Musk was done by me for nothing. We didn’t pay $44 billion.

I represented myself pro se. But through that process, our movement exposed to nearly, you know, 400 million people all over the planet, that there’s a backdoor portal into Twitter, and it was our movement that expose the real issues of election systems integrity, which had to do with chain of custody, ballot images not being preserved signature verification. Then the Trump errs came or Trump came, nice guy, you know, love to have dinner with him.

And I’ve met with him many times. But he used our data, our movement to raise half a billion dollars, but our movement nonetheless, because we were independent. We don’t have to ask this to anyone.

We were able to boldly go and expose these fundamental things including Fauci. So running for President gives us a huge opportunity to if we did that in 2020 in a Republican primary Thinking about we’re going to be exposing, and the things that we’re going to be moving in a US presidential election. So that’s the fundamental reason to run.

And even if a guy like me who’s an outsider even has an iota of chance of winning, it can only be through a grassroots bottoms up movement, period. And more than that, we want to educate the American people that they deserve someone like me that they should not be compromising to people at four times b to Kennedy, or a Trump or a Biden, or any of these people, because these people are all top down. They have no interest in the American people, because if they did, why is the life expectancy of everyday Americans going down? And why are the children American children going to die younger than their parents, the end result is they will live in Malibu, they will live in Mar Lago, they will have their pasture raised beef, they will eat organic food act like they’re one of us eating McDonald’s, right? You know, talk about, you know, fighting the establishment, but they’re not.

These people are top down people. And it’s time that Americans really recognize and started having some self respect for themselves and their founders, that this country was built on hard working people, immigrants, like myself and others. And that’s where we should put the attention on.

And essentially, it said, brainwashing that’s occurred, no different than someone who’s in a relationship with an alcoholic or an abuser. Every time they come home and they beat you. You say, Well, he had to do because he had a hard day.

Well, why did Robert Kennedy force everyone to have the COVID vaccine in his own home? Well, Bobby had to do it because his wife made him do it. Are you serious? That’s, I mean, think about the level of brain dawn or estimate the power of a woman. Well, well, no, I really, but but Christie, think about all the people in personal relationships during the last two years who broke because they took a principled stand.

So here’s a guy claiming he’s a fighter for medical freedom. And on the other hand, and his own in Hollywood, he has to kowtow to Hollywood, to make sure everyone and I know these people I used to live out Malibu, these people hate everyday people. They call the masses acids.

And so we and so I have a unique perspective of someone who grew up bottoms up who has been in this world to really expose these people for what they are they hate everyday working people. Everything they do is pure theater, they will say anything. And we’re seeing that right now.

The what is called the Great Deception is taking place and the great deception is they say one thing and do another and then a bunch of Grifters around them they’re Joe Rogan’s the Tucker Carlson’s. We’re all being paid for this are there to hide this duplicity. You look at this fact that Elon Musk one day he says I’m for free speech, are you really and then he brings in the WF person, then people forgive him? So there’s Yeah, and I do want to get to that and and talk more fully about that.

But let’s take a step back. Because you talked about part of the purpose of your run for president is this exposure, and you have been exposure exposing a lot, you were the first to expose that backdoor to Twitter, and didn’t get the credit really that you deserve. And you’re exposing that election fraud, we can get credit to 401 thing, Christie, when I travel all over the world, everyone knows who did it.

The credit we didn’t get was from the mainstream media because they do not credit the reason they will not put me on any of the if I was on Joe Rogan show today, he would lose all of his followers, because they’d realize what a scumbag he is, and how much he has suppressed stories for so long, how long he waits, delay truth is deadly. These people are evil people. They do not tell the truth when it needs to be done.

They wait and they wait. And then they tell it and then they try to get their audiences. Hey, oh, isn’t Joe great? Isn’t Tucker Carlson Great.

Tucker Carlson had all of the data of the backdoor portal, I have all the emails that was sent to him, which I put up online. And he sat on it, Glenn Greenwald sat on it. There’s like an elite group of these people who think they’re the ones who get to be the owners of truth.

But what they actually do, they’re part of the intelligence community. And they work with the intelligence community to make sure truth doesn’t come out at the right time. But more importantly, they do not want to give credit and credit does matter to independent people like your eye, we’re doing this bottoms up, because what that would mean is they become irrelevant.

So these people are fundamentally unpatriotic. And they’re selfish human beings. They do not care about truth or freedom or health.

And we want to expose them in bear view. And once we get enough people recognizing that they have to move beyond left and right, they have to see these people for what they are. It’s really about raising human consciousness.

It’s over for these people. And that’s what we’re starting to do. And that’s what scares them so much.

That’s my, my views on Twitter went from 500,000 views per day down to 5000 when I critique Elon Musk, but we’re willing to take that course. Yeah, but but my thing is, is for even those that are even slightly awake, there is this frustration that okay, we see it we see that they’re there. It has been exposure, we see that there’s problems, but there isn’t enough action.

So you have done a lot of exposure, you’re talking about wanting to expose more. You’ve talked about signature verification, and all of these problems that there are, but you know, people are ready for action to be taken place. So what with the Arizona you were involved in exposing some of that Carrie Lake is still fighting and deepen that.

And she’s got all of this evidence, even though mainstream, of course, says, without evidence, even though she has all kinds of evidence, what hope do you have that she has any kind of a slot have a shot at this? What approach would you take that’s different that would result in action that would result in a solution and fighting back rather than just knowing that they’re cheating? Well, well, first of all, we’ve had many, many victories, because we won is what you’re saying, You tell the truth at the right time. And then you take action, right? So let’s look at that phenomenon. So activism means, you know, there’s truth.

And then there’s action. Academics, like Noam Chomsky, for example, are these academics will write all these very theoretical, yes, this is how the establishment screws you data, and they make people demoralized. You know, they don’t, they’re not into action, because if they took action, they’re gonna lose their jobs at places like Harvard, MIT, etc.

Then there’s people just take action devoid of any political theory. And those people you could call terrorists, okay? But action and theory have to be coupled. And that is what I’m all about.

So, for example, when we in March of 2020, we were the first ones to call out Fauci, we, I called him out in Bellevue, because as a systems biologist at MIT, I knew this guy’s foolish full of, you know, whenever you want to say, Okay, but what we also did was we ran the fire Fauci campaign, hashtag fire Fauci, we got about 200,000 people to sign. And then we took our bus down to Trump, and we handed in the signatures, and then we told them, This is why you should fire him. And we gave him a protocol for supporting natural immunity.

whether Trump did anything or not, I can tell you millions and millions of people across the world, were not only emboldened by what we did, but we actually saved many people’s lives. So that’s where theory and action meet. Let’s talk about election systems integrity.

It was our movement, which expose the issue with ballot images. It was our movement that showed definitively in 2020 and 2021, the fact of mismatched signatures I like carried like, but she wasn’t there to really talk about it. She was promoting along with Trump, along with Tucker Carlson, this wackadoodle stuff on election integrity, you almost have to wonder, do they want to tank the election systems integrity movement, we had tangible evidence on real stuff.

And all this crazy stuff was clouded around it. But what we did do is because of the work we did, if you talk to people in Arizona, the The Arizona Maricopa County was a lot more careful, careful. But we showed that over 200 300,000 ballots should have been cured.

But no one even understood election systems integrity, no one even understood this concept of mismatch think your shoes and curing. So we educated millions on that. So that’s significant change, because that knowledge would not have existed and that is the only claim that exists in carry like stuff because of the work I did.

So that is changed. Let’s talk about, you know, the fundamental issues of the backdoor portal into Twitter. It was our movement.

The lawsuit I filed in October of 2020, which hundreds of millions knew about except Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald and others purposefully concealed. You know, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon and Gateway Pundit, one of the few journalists actually covered it, and I give my hat’s off to them. They were true, good, independent journalists.

But the bottom line is we expose the backdoor portal, and we had a major victory Christie, I don’t know if you know, and October 30 2020, the judge ruled in our favor, he was appalled at what happened. And then in the next set of hearings, they wanted me to just go back on Twitter and dropped my claims against the government, I refuse to do that. And that is also action we showed we demonstrated to people how to be uncompromising.

And right now, you know, in the next few weeks, we’re going to be suing Siza, and DHS, the US government, our lawsuit continues, but through this process, it is our movement that has expanded the consciousness not only with the American people, but people across the world. So I would say these are tangible results, because you can’t once the genies out of the bottle, you can’t fool people anymore. And all these other people, they waited two to three years, and they had no intention of helping the American people what their intention was to do this just to say, oh, yeah, I did that too.

And give me money for my books. Give me some donation money. So it’s very, very different than doing the right thing at the right time.

That’s that’s real leadership. One of my great heroes is a guy called Alan McDonald. He was a chief engineer on the space shuttle Challenger events that took place in 1986.

And he’s you know, and he was the one who would not sign off on the launch. He was under massive pressure. He told the truth This shuttle is gonna blow up because the O rings were never tested.

A couple of years ago, he passed away. And he said one of the most important things in life is to tell the truth at the right time. So we have to bring the word when When did you tell the truth, Tucker? When When did you put on your weird theatrical faces? You weren’t doing that in 2020, you had the evidence.

And don’t tell me Fox News, put so much pressure on you that you had to protect your $20 million in salary. I’m sorry, you’re not a patriot. You’re selfish.

So you can look at these people when they did their work. Because when you do the right thing, you expand human consciousness, and you create the conditions for explosive change. And that’s what we’re doing.

And that’s what we’ll continue to do. Well, I want to get some hot takes, we’ll call them on some of your opponents. You’ve already kind of touched upon the the latest Tim Scott and and Trump, what do you what do you make of DeSantis? And Vivek? Well look on the Republican side, and then the democratic.

The key thing is, all of these people, the key thing you want to understand is they’re all top down people. If you look at them, they have probably one to two degrees. There are a swarm of birds that you see run running, they’re not really opponents.

They’re all in the same club. Christy, you and I are not in that club, okay. They’re in the same club.

Everything they do every word out of their mouth has nothing to do with the material reality of everyday people. And why do I say that? Go look at their histories. What were they doing when they were 1718 years old? Well, that comes from a Brahmin family.

You had people like Patrick, bet David say, Why doesn’t Dr. Shiva behave more like this guy that he is acceptable? He’s not quote unquote, arrogant? Well, I’m a street fighter who grew up in the streets of Bombay and New Jersey, this guy grew up in an elite family. I don’t know if you know, India is a caste system.

So I know his entire background. This guy is not an American person. You’ll talk all these words.

These people are very clever using words. Ron DeSantis, you can look at his history. Okay? He’s typically out of the same Harvard Yale you look at this guy, the VEC or DeSantis are out of the same Harvard Yale fraternity.

They’re not you or I, they don’t build things. They don’t come bottoms up. I don’t know if they can fix anything.

They can make anything if they’ve created anything. And obviously I’ve talked about Trump and Kennedy is the worst out of all this, because if you look at the entire arc of the Kennedy family, as Seymour Hersh just pointed out, they’re like the most bogus mythology that’s been created when they were reckless people. They John F.

Kennedy. Regardless of the martyrdom and mythos they want to say he’s the one who got us into Vietnam. He’s someone who almost started the nuclear war.

You can look at his entire history as a person of integrity isn’t. Everything he did is a mythology that was created. His brother Ted Kennedy murdered a woman here, murdered a woman and got away with it because of his father Joe brought the best PR people in and Robert F.

Kennedy Jr. John Kennedy’s one who created the 1962 vaccination act. Ted Kennedy, his younger brother’s the one who protected all big pharma by passing by being one of the co sponsored the Senate bill to create the National Vaccine Injury Program, which created the vaccine courts.

And Robert F. Kennedy, we have the video where he’s saying I’m pro vaccine, I’m emphatically pro vaccine. I vaccinated all my kids with the 65 vaccines.

And then he goes on to say in the video, how corrupt the CDC is, and therefore we need safe vaccines. I mean, this guy’s talking about both sides of his mouth. And he takes advantage of a lot of these poor people who have been legitimately vaccine injured, and he just takes her money and a bunch of wealthy women in Scarsdale fund him because they want to hang around with Bobby.

So all these people manipulate the suffering of everyday people. I’m not gonna allow it, and that’s who these people are. They’re all top down, top down, top down.

Period. And that’s what Okay, okay. But you say you say they’re all top down, but there is no denying that RFK Jr.

has been completely vilified by the mainstream media. They’ve called him a conspiracy quack. They’ve called them anti Vax.

So is there any part of you that can empathize because you’ve been obviously different, but this is call you a liar. So you both you both experienced? Well, you have to understand, Christine, if you look at every top political theater, there’s a guy call Ari Emanuel. Do you know who he is? Ari Emanuel lives in Hollywood.

He is the owner of endeavor. He formerly known as what is it William Morris Agency, that biggest Hollywood agency. And just if you can picture this andeavor owns UFC, the fighting guys.

It just bought for $7.2 billion WWE from Vince McMahon. They also own all the Hollywood stars.

And they’re also Ari Emanuel. He was agent to Trump. He’s like he wanted to put Elon Musk on his board.

All the Hollywood people in Malibu have to bow down to area, Manuel. So Ari Emanuel owns political theater, boxing theater, worldwide wrestling theater, it’s theater. And that’s what they’re involved in.

These people are not real. Now, I’ve always called things out on time. Right? Always.

So some people look at me as someone who is purely for service. And we’ll call these things out because I take a systems approach. And I want to tell people the truth way ahead, we told the truth about Fauci two years earlier, we told the truth about Elon Musk since December, now people are saying, why Dr.

Shi Bose, right. And if you believe my track record, which is about 100%, look at RFK. Look at what he says and what he does.

And the establishment will always create these fake martyrs Christie, and that’s the dialectics that they’re creating. But if you end of the day RFK Jr. is one with the establishment.

And they create this fake dynamic. It’s no different than WWE wrestling. That’s all it is.

But ultimately, you have to look at where did they come from? Do they really understand the plight of everyday people? I don’t care what he says. Because we’re actors. Do Have you ever experienced suffering? Have you come bottoms up? Do you truly know the plight of middle class and where you don’t just tell me Oh, I know that apply to middle class people? No, you don’t.

You don’t know anything about them. Because when you live in Malibu, you live in beautiful gated communities, you hang around with the same people. And it’s all about toasting martinis and saying, Yeah, I’m fighting for cancer.

Yeah, I’m fighting against vaccine, blah, blah, blah. It’s all a stick for that. It’s not real.

Okay, but let me challenge you here. And this is last point I’m gonna hit before we have to hit our break. But you keep on saying that they’re all part of this elite club, and you’re a part you’re like a part of the everyday man.

But you also admit that you have been part of that world. I mean, you were married to a Hollywood actress at one point in time, you were the inventor of email. So I think that puts you a little bit higher than than the rest of us peons.

You know, so what do you say to people that are like, Hey, you’re not exactly an everyday man, you may have started from the bottom, but you’ve had not yourself, you know, what would you say to that? Well, I think the reality is, where did I invent email? Well, I know it was we were 14. Where was it created? This is a very important, wasn’t it at MIT? No. This where was it? The reason email was created by a 14 year old kid.

That itself is radical. Not at MIT. Not at Harvard, not at Silicon Valley was created in Newark, New Jersey and a small medical college.

How was it created? It was created by a community that supported me, public school teachers worked their butts off my parents who had three jobs, and a mentor. You see, this is very different. And the truth about the invention of email was it came bottoms up.

And this is why when they manufactured this bogus controversy, which they can’t attack, because the facts are so black and white is because I have had this unique experience of doing things before I came to MIT. And then I’ve having gone through MIT and created things there. So I have this ground level perspective, none of these people do.

And email did not come top down. It came bottoms up. And this is very important.

Understand Christie, I did not need to go to MIT. In fact, I didn’t even know about MIT two weeks before I applied, because the high school I went to was so frankly, liberal, racist. They didn’t want even tell me anything about MIT.

So I randomly found out about it. And in fact, when I came to MIT, I didn’t even want to go there. I thought that people were crazy.

The only reason I came to MIT was for Boston, because one of my high school teacher said you should go there. And I was the only reason the day I landed at MIT. I started the radical newspaper to attack the MIT administration.

We organized food service workers, we made sure more women when I came to MIT was only 25%. We made sure more working class women could get in so I’ve always been an activist. So you can look at my record.

When I went to India on a Fulbright, two year Fulbright, I was asked by the Indian government to run one of the largest scientific agencies given a huge bungalow, everything. But instead of sitting there, I expose the corruption in India and under death threats. I had to leave India all of its documented.

So wherever I go to my own, quote, unquote, detriment, I always expose and I pay the price and I’m willing to pay that price. These people don’t pay the price. Trump was in office.

He didn’t pay any price. He should have fired Fauci, he brought in the swamp. I mean, think about what they say and what they do.

You look at my history. I’ve always fought. You go to MIT and you talk to professors they say yeah, there’s a guy called Shiva.

He was a porcupine Yeah, he always needed the always fought, but they didn’t know what to do with me because I was so good at what I did. They needed be awesome. They get kept giving me these awards because I kept making them look good.

And see, when the invention of email story came out and went to the Smithsonian. It was a hit on MIT because they thought I would cower down. I said no email was created before he came to MIT.

And that’s what bothered them. You see, I’m the real American, because everything I do is absolutely bottoms up, you will see me literally on the streets handing out flyers literally on the street, you will see me actually organizing demonstrations. All these people come after the crowd is we organized the biggest demonstration against vaccine mandates.

Then Robert Kennedy calls our organization Oh, can I come there? We said no, you parachute in. These are poverty pimps? Yeah, that’s what they are. And this dynamic is not any central.

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Shiva for being here. And I want to go specifically over what you what you’re planning to do or promote as president. But first, I really think it’s so important.

And I’m passionate about this whole concept of free speech and this aggressive embrace of censorship. And you know, Elon Musk has been put as this hero of free speech. So let’s take a quick clip of Rand Paul talking about basically Ilan being the champion of free speech and I’ll get your response after this.

Let’s take a look. Yeah, a big opportunist. This was a significant interview, Senator that does move the conversation forward in this country in a pretty powerful way.

Where do you see this going? Well, thank God for someone who can still speak their mind and won’t take guff off some journalist who tells him he can’t speak his mind and how dare you. I think history will actually record Word that, you know, back in the 1950s and 60s and 70s, that ACLU, the left NAACP were great defenders of free speech and the First Amendment. And then somewhere along the way, something happened.

And people began to think that there was only certain types of speech that were acceptable. And then along came Elon Musk, and the country, the Bill of Rights, frankly, all of us are going to be very thankful that a guy with a lot of money, bought an entity, a social media, you know, entity, Twitter and allowed us to see what was going on with a government colluding to limit speech. And people need to get this right.

All right. So yes, he goes on to praise Elon Musk, and he says history will look at him kindly. So what was your response to that? Well, it is people like Rand Paul, who are really the bootlickers OF THE GREAT DECEPTION.

The reason Rand Paul exists, and he’s allowed to exist is because he is one of those opportunists who never says what needs to be said at the right time, but says just enough to keep this little following. If you look at fire Fauci, he didn’t say anything and 2020 and you can go look at his tweet feed. He waited a year later, and then started using hashtag fire Fauci to raise donations.

So you can just go look at it because I have all the emails to show that so it is, look, Chris, it’s easy to attack. George Soros, it’s easy to attack the Clintons and all these people. That’s what I call the obvious establishment.

But the great deception is the not so obvious establishment, and the Soros is and the obvious establishment have created their lackeys they’ve created the Rand Paul’s that created the Elan Musk created the Tucker Carlson’s. And they let these people, anyone who’s on mainstream media, and they get this much, you know, airtime. They’re part of the not so obvious establishment.

And from a systems theory standpoint, it makes sense, you create the not so obvious establishment to sucker people in, but ultimately, wisdom has to prevail. And this is where a lot of spiritual teachings come in. If you look at the history of Christ, it was not the Romans who were his enemies.

It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Right, there were the people who talked all the language of God, but they’re the ones who ultimately had Him crucified. And we have to recognize and Christians really need to recognize when you look at someone like Elon Musk, just look at him.

I didn’t see him in 2020 to do Christi, I didn’t see him talking about free speech. In fact, what he was talking about was he was supporting vaccines, he was supporting climate change scam, which he still does. And if you look at materially, you have to follow the money.

SpaceX got $5.7 billion from the government. Look, we’re trying to do a little kitchen, you know, update in our home here, I have to go to the city, you have to get permits, etc.

In order to put 1000s of satellites up in the air, you have to be like this with government. And that’s Elon Musk, just look at SpaceX. Now look at Tesla, Tesla would be worth frankly, zero, if it weren’t for the carbon credits he got from the largest of government $1.

5 billion worth. And that occurred right at the height of the pandemic, his wealth exploded during the pandemic, this guy made a ton of money off the pandemic. And not only that, the valuation of Tesla exploded when he got these carbon credits, if you didn’t get carbon credits, Tesla would be in the toilet, it wouldn’t be wouldn’t have been worth 600 billion.

Now look at Twitter, his third investment. It was Silicon Valley in collusion with Congress, which created the backdoor portal that I discovered and Silicon Valley ensured that Congress is paid off to give companies like Twitter or Facebook section 2230 immunity, and that’s where they get their 10x Multiple on valuation of revenue. So Twitter makes 5 billion they’re worth 50 billion because they have section 230 immunity.

And in order to sustain section 230 immunity, guys like Elon Musk have to provide government the backdoor portal two days ago, he admitted and a lot of people didn’t catch us. Yes, we have the backdoor portal and not the backdoor portal, but we work with government and when it came out with a Turkish incident. So this guy is a complete scumbag.

He is pure evil and the nature of his evil. And this is why we need technologists like myself, engineers to run and support this country to educate people. Look at what’s happening right now.

We have censorship 3.0, as I call it, which is worse than what Jack Dorsey was doing. You seen censorship 1.

0 You knew you said this and you were thrown off. What they’re doing today is a form of I don’t even want to call it shadow banning. It’s putting people in digital cages.

Who attack musk. If you look when I got back on Twitter on December 2020 22, I did a tweet. It was to challenge Musk Hey, I’m willing to be your CEO.

Well, that went viral. It got 20 million views was retweeted. I was getting about 500,000 views per day.

Few days later, I started asking Musk Are you going to take down the backdoor portal I did four tweets in December 10 tweets in January two I need tweets in February and you can see my views impressions to my tweets went from 500,000 down to 300,000 and maybe about 10,000 today. This guy does not like people critique him. And what he’s doing is he’s creating a bunch of bootlickers around him, you support him all these Grifters, like captured and Tim cast and all these people he boosts you, including Robert F.

Kennedy, Jr. Robert F. Kennedy gets millions of views because they need him to create the dialectic as though there’s this WWE wrestling, guys like me who are independent, we’re not tied to any party or real or really the threat.

So what he’s doing right now he’s takes guys like me. And I wonder why he put me back on Twitter. And the reason is this and why they put true independent people back because there is a analytic framework in AI called Predictive Analytics.

So you can take all my followers, you can figure out the pattern of my followers who they are. And you may find that interesting pattern. They all drive white cars, they like fluffy dogs, whatever it is, you can find some variables.

And once you find that, you can traverse everyone, and you can say all of these people are likely going to follow Dr. Shiva. And to them, you make sure they never see my tweets, and you push notifications to them of the opposition.

And we’ve seen this, and that is a scumbag Elon Musk is he’s a total freaking scumbag. And people need to wake up to this. Conservatives need to wake up to this because in the United States, we know that the left hates the First Amendment.

We know that the conservative, particularly the white working class, conservatives were the last beacon of hope to fight for that. So they brought in this fool called Elon Musk presented him as this false god. When we’re Elon Musk ganz and we’re government begins.

Nobody knows. But people have been confused and bamboozled. And they’ve taped and they basically blunted the Conservatives edge to boot like him.

And I’m calling this out, and I’ve called it out. I always call this stuff out at the right time when it’s unpopular. And then they have this idiot, Tucker Carlson, who the reason he got thrown off Fox was because he actually hurt the election integrity movement.

On the front end, he was saying, oh, yeah, there’s election integrity, talking about wacky stuff. Internally, he was sending text messages laughing at it. Fox was going to be up for $1.

5 billion. So they settled, then he goes to the conservative base and says, Oh, I’m a murderer. You’re not a martyr, you were like this with Hunter Biden.

You had Hunter Biden, write resume letters for your, for your son, people need to wake the hell up. Because without the First Amendment, there is no United States of America. And we’ve lost the First Amendment.

Elon Musk came from an apartheid country called South Africa 1% of the people controlled 99% That’s in his brain. And we have to get this clear the people in Malibu when you talked about me living in Malibu, let me just make one thing clear. Like I talked about India, like I talked about MIT.

I never wanted to go into these worlds. I’m like Forrest Gump. Okay, ended up in these worlds.

I never even knew who Fran Drescher was, she came up to me, I never even saw her shows. But quickly, I learned that people in Hollywood have their sticks. They don’t really stand for anything.

I got the hell out of there. You say? So I have always stay true to where I came from my grandparents, who grew up in nothing. Those everyday people in New Jersey, you taught me everything.

And it’s about time that all of us have some self respect for ourselves. And that’s what our campaign is about. It’s about you having self respect for yourself, Christie, and saying what Bobby, why did these women call them Bobby? They don’t even know this guy.

He’s not your friend. He won’t even they have hyannisport. They got big walls.

They don’t let you and go down to Cape Cod. These people are not you. They are elitist scumbags.

And they will say anything to get into power. So on free speech, the bottom what about Elon Musk is not our friend. He is the antithesis of that.

You can take Soros and put a mask on him and that’s Elon Musk. So So you were saying that he he boosts people like RFK Jr. and then like and, and Tim Kassar and so like he he is friendly with certain conservative people to kind of deceive people.

So then why would he hire someone so blatantly like you were talking about before to be the CEO who is so blatantly connected? Like why would he do that? Why why do you think he’d do that? I know why, but why do you think he’d do that? I have no idea. Because people like us are like, What are you doing and it exposes him totally when he does somebody are spitting in your face. They’re saying, fu Christie fu we will do whatever we want.

And you guys are so stupid, you slaves that I can say this one day and I can do this. Am I not so powerful, and you beg and bow to my feet. This is the ultimate of spitting in your face.

That is what’s happening. This is what I call the Great Deception. You say one thing and you do another Come on, because they know that oppression oppresses.

It’s very psychological. Right? When a guy comes home and he beats his wife or the other way around whatever happens after they keep doing that enough, they lose self respect for the person that they’re beating. They say I can say anything, I can do anything.

So this is a level of people. These people are like, if you go to Nobu in Malibu, there’s one restaurant and all of them hang out together. They’re all friends.

And they all are one big swarm, and they don’t give a damn about you. So, I have had like Forrest Gump, I’ve been able to go into these worlds and observe, but I never lost where I came from. And I frankly hate these people, because they despise I would have never guessed that, that there was animosity.

Because no, they are because what I do like about you, Dr. Shiva is because you don’t mess around. You just say how you feel clearly you Christie, when I grew up in Jersey, I learned how to paint from a Yugoslavian immigrant, I learned how to do landscaping from an Italian immigrant.

I’ve always been working on my life, and I enjoy working. I don’t like people are lazy and who take advantage of people. These people are lazy people.

They think they’re better than you at a very deeply personal level. They’re not good human beings. And let me tell you, they’re very conscious.

If I shared with you emails that a friend of mine shared with me between Kennedy Kennedy knows that he’s not so obvious establishment, he prides himself on that, okay. He’s people are consciously duping people. And when I exposed Kennedy in 2020, he had the gall to smear me and say I run a vaccine company.

We sued him, he kept running around evading service. This is who the Kennedys are, go read Seymour Hirsch’s work on them. You know, they are absolute scumbags.

But they’ve created this ethos of Camelot Oh, we got, you know, attacked and martyrdom. Well, we don’t know why they got martyred. You know, they’re all mafia guys.

One wing attacks another wing and, and we as a peasants have got to feel sorry for one of them. Bullshit. We got to break this abusive mentality.

The American people are really abuse victims of these elites, and we have to let go. And that’s why my candidacy our movement offers people an opportunity for dignity for self respect, if that’s what this is about, because we don’t have that self respect. Why are we following Elon Musk? Can you tell me? What is he doing? He’s collecting all data.

He shuns people like me, he promotes scumbags. He promotes people, you bow down to him, you suck up to me promote you. He’s a very insecure human being.

Everywhere he went, look at his actual resume. He never created anything. He always, as a narcissist, got involved in positions, put people out and it was all about him getting being the founder.

He did that at Tesla. He did that at PayPal, go look at his history. And as a technologist, you know, real technologists and you know, someone who’s bullshitting.

He’s a bullshitter. Let’s, let’s talk about let’s wrap up and talk about your platform. So one of the biggest things I mean, I’m living here in Texas, and there’s this invasion at the border.

But I mean, I gotta believe that you have a particular ly interesting viewpoint when it comes to immigration being your background. So what do you see is happening with this border invasion right now? And what would you do to change what’s happening? Well, first of all, you have to understand I’m an immigrant. Okay, so I’m very bottoms up view of this.

Okay. My father came here first with $75 in his pocket, we were separated from him for a year, we had to wait, we waited in line, we applied all the papers, and then we came here. So we followed the legal immigration path, okay.

Now, what is actually happening is neither democrat or republican wants to solve the immigration, you can write it down, they do not want to solve it. one wing of the establishment uses cheap labor, cheap labor to keep Wall Street’s profits up. That’s one way the Republicans, the other wing of the establishment wants to let illegal immigrants in because they need them for votes.

You see, both wings do not want to solve the problem. Who is supposed to solve the immigration problem? Well, it’s not the executive branch. It’s not the legislative branch.

I’m sorry. It’s not the it’s the legislative branch. They have not solved the problem.

Right? When they’re just going to solve something, oh, we have a congress break. Why don’t they not leave? You not go on their vacation, stay there and pass the right framework? That’s what needs to be done. So what should be done? Well, you have about 10 to 20, potentially 25 million, quote unquote, illegal immigrants here.

And this brings up a central issue. What does it mean to be a citizen of the United States? What does it really mean? I would argue that truly to be a citizen is number one, valuing what this country means. All those amazing amendments.

No other country has a First Amendment, the second amendment. Thank you. About that no other country has that.

Now do Americans right now sitting here value these extraordinary rights, I would argue that they do not. So you have, quote unquote, illegal immigrants who are sitting here, some of them who’ve been here 10 years, some of them will actually work very hard, okay, where other people are living off disability, people who are legal immigrants and do not work, they scam the system, I would argue that what needs to happen is that those people who are here and they were here for, let’s say, X amount of time, and this is something that needs to be decided they’d be put on the path to legal immigration, they immediately have to start paying taxes. And the calculations I did was, it would generate close to two to $3 trillion in tax revenue for the United States.

Cool, right there. So that’s one thing that should happen. The other thing is the people who are here and do not want to work, well, maybe we should give them the opportunity to leave the United States do Okay, let’s have Reverse Immigration, but we have to have some standards.

Because if you’re gonna go attack these illegal immigrants, they’re, they’re not working, they don’t do anything. But actually a lot of them do work. And you have a whole strata of citizenry, legal citizenry, because of the policies of the quote unquote, left of AOC.

And, and Bernie Sanders, they’re actually being told not to work not to be truly a proletarian and work. So you have this dynamic that there’s a whole bunch of people are not working. So all these jobs need to get done.

So the right and the left are illegally letting in immigrants because they know this problem exists. They they do not want to solve the real problem. So my view is you put people who’ve been here who have a certain set of standards, obviously, they’re not criminals, they didn’t murder people on a path to immigration, have them pay taxes, and say, okay, these people are honorable people that should come here and work.

And these other people, maybe we should say, You know what, maybe you should lose your citizenship, you’re scamming the system, maybe you should go live in Guatemala and see what it feels like. No, seriously, there should be reversed immigration out of here, too. All right, because we have a value disconnect.

What does it mean to be an American? And when you look at the border, and I just came back from Italy, and you have this Pope who’s saying, Oh, he’s so much against the wall, it’s horrible. Have you been to the Vatican? They have a 50 foot wall surrounding the Vatican, right? They don’t want anyone coming in. And so you have these people talking to both sides about what I would do, you know? Yeah, I would tell you don’t go on recess.

You’re gonna sit there, and you guys are gonna pass the laws. We’re not gonna let you get away. But the reality is Congress does not want to pass laws, because both wings of the establishment are profiting from illegal immigration.

Otherwise, why would it keep occurring? Both wings are you go to wealthier neighborhoods who’s going there? Who’s mowing their lawns? Christy? It’s illegal immigrants, right, quote, unquote, illegal immigrants. Because these millennials don’t want to work. When I was growing up.

I did landscaping, I did snow shoveling, I don’t see kids doing that anymore. Mom and Pop are giving them everything. So you have the spoiled culture here.

And then you’re attacking illegal immigrants. And furthermore, we have to understand why are these illegal immigrants coming here? Because of the US NATO warmongering imperialist machine, which is creating conditions in these countries were devastating those countries, so it’s a multi systems problem. It’s not Yeah, and way too complicated to be able to finish, we’re gonna have to have you back.

My time has already expired with you. But people can go to truth freedom. health.

com, right. And they can also learn more about your nutrition and they can understand how you can learn to look beyond left and right.

And if you go to Shiva for That is the that is our website for US president Shiva for President accom.

Thank you, Christy. All right. Well, thank thank you so much.

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