In this discussion, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, the Inventor of Email and #TruthFreedomHealth Warrior-Scholars have a SYSTEMS discussion on What is “News?” The purpose of this is to ask questions on the modern state of news and reporting.
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- The public is sold a perception that “News” is supposed to be unbiased facts and information, where journalism is done as a noble service for the sake keeping the public informed.
- The truth is that “News” is a manufactured product that is packaged and sold like any product on the store shelf.
- Corporate journalists are in fact salespeople who’s profession is to manufacture and sell narratives as a News product.
- The best source of news is the eye-witness reporting of working people sharing stories and information of events that are happening directly around them.
- New infrastructure is needed, outside of corporate control, to facilitate the impartial sharing of news and information through citizen journalism.
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All right, everyone, welcome. This is Dr.Shiva Ayyadurai. Today we have a very interesting roundtable, as we said, every Fridays, we want to bring in our Truth Freedom Health Warrior Scholars who are part of our movement. And we have, Jason, we have Tonya, we have John, we have Suresh here. They’re from all over the country, they’ll be introducing themselves. But what we want to talk about today is we want to talk about What IS the News? That’s what we want to talk about, What IS the News? And what is the News really about? So that’s what we’re going to talk about what is the News? What is CNN what is Fox, and then we’re going to open it up for Call-in event. So we’re gonna have an open dialogue. And we want to want to make this Beyond Left and Right. So that’s what we want to talk about. And those of you who are joining us, please feel free to share your thoughts. And that’s what we want to talk about. So let me, Suresh is out in Buffalo. Tonya, where are you out of? You’re in Indiana, right?
Yeah. John is in Cambridge. And Jason, where are you these days?
I’m in Florida right now.
You’re in Florida. Okay. So let’s start by going around. You know, what is news by the way? Some people think news. I mean, there’s some word out there. The word news means north, east, west and south. There’s a big debate on that. Some people say that’s not the right acronym. Some people say comes from the word new, right? Anyway, you can you can read about this. So we’re not getting into the etymology of it. We want to talk about that’s not what we mean, what is news, we’re not going to have a linguistic discussion. But we want to get people’s ideas. Some people said, someone said, Fake News or Real News, right? So let’s start with Jason. Jason, what’s your definition of news?
I would say I’m not exactly sure the definition. But I know that I never really watched news. It was never a big thing of mine. For I would say, from adulthood until my age now. 43. But just the recent, I got a chance to watch some news for the last couple of weeks. And it’s just difficult. And I’m speaking, maybe it’s Fox or CNN, I don’t even know who it is. But it’s really difficult to get through as there is a narrative being played. But within that narrative, there’s the Real information. And all I have to do is really just pick up my phone and do a little information research, I guess. And you can definitely see a lot of holes or maybe this narrative that they’re pitching one way to allude away from the truth in another area.
You think Wikipedia is News?
Definitely not. Yeah, I don’t even look at that one.
Right. Let’s go to Suresh. Suresh, What is News for you?
News is whatever is happening in the world. News is supposed to let people know the current things that are going on, things that people need to know to stay informed, so they can make the right choices for them, themselves. Be the watchdog of people in power. I think that’s news.
So, right, your. So to you what, what should news be? That’s what you’re saying? Yeah. Not what it is. But you’re saying that’s what news should be?
Okay. Someone just put up their mic now. No, he said, “Indoctrination with with a controlled narrative.” That’s an interesting definition. Okay, what is news indoctrination with a controlled narrative? Tonya, how about you? What is news to you either, you know, I think maybe two things, what should it be? That’s what Suresh talked about. Jason said what it is. In your opinion, what, what is it and what, what should it be?
What is it? Is a huge distraction. They follow whatever story they want to make the story of the day like the Johnny Depp thing. Complete nonsense, Who cares who, whatever happened. But they didn’t follow the Maxwell trial at all. And it’s been just dismissed and look over here another way. It should be informative. It should tell us what’s going on in the world. It should tell us that all around the world people are protesting and fighting for freedom. Inflation and energy costs are soaring across the board around the world. A lot of people don’t know, don’t even have any idea that people are protesting anywhere in the world. Are a Because our media is so lacking in sharing real information.
All right, yeah. So I think that’s a pretty good definition of what should news be and what it has become. Right. But you’re saying ultimately news to go with stories is something that actually informs you gives you facts so you can make decisions. John, what is your definition of news?
A lot of would say that news is the latest information about current events. But that would that definition would bring into question about whether or not what we are led to believe is the news is, in fact, news, which I believe is the point of this discussion.
Expand on that, John, what do you mean by that?
Well, I bought if if news is what I believe it to be, which is, which is up to date, or as close as you can be to up to date information about things that are going on or have recently gone on, then the question is, who gets who controls the flow of that information? And what happens when untruthful information is being broadcast as being as being substituted for truthful information when narratives are being are a substitute for facts? And would that would that still qualify as news under my under that initial simple definition that I laid out?
Yes. So let’s look at what others are saying. What is news? Okay. So someone said news equals new things novel. Okay. So that’s the sort of could be the entomological definition. I guess someone else said. Someone said plural of new. Okay. Probably true, right. Etymology wise. indoctrination with a control narrative. Okay. Someone said current events. Pat Summitt. That’s the definition of news. Let’s see here. Someone said news is northeast western South. Someone said news is garbage.
Let’s say someone said reported news is often propaganda. And truth is hard to find through news. That’s a very that’s a very interesting comment. Someone said news is a silent weapon against the people. Silent. Yeah, news is supposed to be reporting of unbiased facts. That is what I learned in high school journalism. 40 years ago, Paul Anthony. Oh, that’s great. Paul. V. Good to have you in the conversation. Someone said this point. News is exaggerated lies to keep people distracted like sheep. Very sad. All right. Very interesting. All right, let’s someone said news is the first reality show. That’s interesting. Someone said news should be about True Facts About occurring events. Not fake. That’s what she meant to say. This is hilarious. Good news is. That is hilarious. News always has a slant, though. It’s just human nature. Okay, that
was on fire today. Yeah.
Someone says it’s propaganda. News is money motivated. All right. Well, let me ask a related question. So what is the press? Who was a press supposed to be and what is the press? Tania? What is the press? Right? What is so so remember, we in the United States, or many countries have what’s called a freedom of the press right, which is to create news. But who is the press? Well, there’s Christian. A Christian lets us Christian Christian, what is your definition of news?
My definition of the news is, I feel like I have my own mind. And I like to read the headlines. We live in this amazing internet age. So I just to me, like some of the people in the comments mentioned about journalism, it’s sort of like science to me, it’s about facts and what’s going on in the world and around me. So I pretty much too now, like the mainstream news that I think I think we’re talking about two different things. Almost there’s the news. That’s the mainstream to me. That’s propaganda. And then what actually is the news to me is journalism and real facts. And I just kind of like to look into what interests me and go to primary sources, sort of like I learned in school.
Right, so what you’re saying, Kristen, is that when we discuss the Definition News, there’s the news that we see are the means through media like CNN and Fox, that stuff, what you’re saying is not news, right? We’re just saying it’s propaganda. And then there’s people wanting to get news, which is stuff that you have to actually go put some effort in. Is that you’re saying?
Yes, exactly. All right.
So so Okay, so let’s, does that make sense? Because we want to get the definition of news. So if it’s news, it’s stuff that you have to put some effort in, to go look at probably compare sources, right? Look at things and say, Okay. In so one news, here is an interesting news. We just learned, like 24 hours ago, that everyone in the Senate voted because, you know, the NATO is an alliance of a certain number of countries. And they all have to vote together all have to say I to lead in a new country, right. So Finland and Sweden, and this is, you know, the United States Senate is the one that handles foreign treaties, right. And so the US Senate voted 95 Only one person voted against it. Josh Hawley one person was present, which was scumbag Rand Paul didn’t take a position. So it’s 90, that’s 9596 97. And then three people, all these liberals, right, who act as though they’re against war, they’re the ones who did not vote, which are like Pat, Patrick Leahy, etc. The interesting thing is, none of the news organizations brought out this fact that Rand Paul just voted present and he positions himself as the anti war, anti establishment candidate. But he so he took this very easy position out saying he was present. And most of us in our movement know Rand Paul’s not so obvious establishment, right. When you have a certain level of consciousness, you see that? When I put that out there, there’s nothing one person who said, Oh, anyone who says Rand Paul’s a scumbag as a scumbag? Well, he was obviously thrown off quickly, because we don’t want people supporting or, you know, promoting ignorance. Okay. But what’s interesting is not one news organization brought that out about Rand Paul, did you guys see that? I thought it was quite fascinating, right? needed, but everyone fell in line, which means the Senate, most of those senators are controlled by the military industrial complex. So they all want war. Putin has said very clearly over over again, if Finland comes in, you’re basically going to create a very, very serious situation for Russia. But it was interesting, that news was really not highlighted 95 to one, right. So, but but I think we can all agree, I think there’s a consensus. The news is we all have to do research nowadays, to find what the news is. What you see, as news is basically propaganda. Someone just Paul said, Fox News defends themselves by saying they’re not news. They’re entertainment. Right? So that’s how they’re getting out of saying false statements, because they say that they’re entertainment. They’re entertainers. So that’s how they get over the definition of saying something that could be false. Because so people don’t sue them for defamation. Does that make sense? Rachel Maddow out in court? That’s what she said, I’m an entertainer. I’m not. And that’s the way that they get out of saying that they’re not doing news, because news means facts. Entertainment means it’s satire, you’re saying whatever the hell you want. Someone said this press works really to make men and women think like they want them to. All right. So let’s go to the next question. What is Fox? I mean, I think we have what is Fox News and CNN Suresh, for you. What are those two organizations?
To me, it kind of looks like they are opposite sides of each other. They come off as Pro and anti sides. But if you take a step back, they both are. Wings of the same bird are two sides of the same coin, leading people back into the establishment dividing people against each other. So one takes the Proposition one takes the anti-pollution. It’s basically like the blind men story where one thing so it’s a lot a lot of the things it’s have three or a sphere. And then people follow each other. And then they call each other names is sinful jobs. So there’s big theater, they they bring people from each side, maybe five people from each side, and then they they do basically theater. And they divide people, send them back to back into the establishment. They’re basically entertainment like somebody like they said. It’s not news. It’s opinion and entertainment, calling people names. And at the end, when people look at the elephant as a sphere, or a rope, what happens is they end up killing the elephant, instead of treating the elephant. So that’s what Fox and CNN is for me.
Yeah, they’re like WWE wrestling, right? This kind of stuff. Sure. Yeah. It’s all show. Yeah. So I think that’s an important thing to understand. So from your view, the fox and the CNN are basically entertainment. And in fact, that’s how they’re defending themselves. When people sue them, they said, We’re entertainment. And that’s what they are. I think it’s a very, very good definition, Fox and CNN or entertainment. What do you think, Tonya?
Well, I don’t really watch very much news anymore, just because there’s no news. And they all repeat the exact same, like talking points except for from a different side. Like when I do catch the news, it’s pretty obvious Fox News is those Democrats, those Democrats, those liquid Biden did. And when you watch CNN, they’re still like, blaming Trump for the gas prices or whatever. And instead of saying, Well, why is a barrel of oil cost this? And if you look historically, at what oil has costs over the years, based on the price of crude, there’s no way we should be paying five plus at the pump for gas right now. Or 430, or 450, or whatever we’re at, there’s no way we should be as high as we are on gas just based on the crude prices historically, and no one’s even talking about that. They want to just point over there and say, they’ll be mad at those people. It’s their fault. It’s their fault. The gas is high. So just
someone just put up there. The WWE is a good analogy. But if you notice on every issue, has there been ever a time Fox and CNN ever agreed on an issue? Probably a NATO.
Yeah, if they if they covered the if they if they if they weren’t to cover the the NATO vote, they would probably been in complete agreement on it just like the politicians,
right. That’s why they didn’t report on it. So I think maybe what’s important to realize is what they don’t report on is what they all agree on. Which is most of the real important stuff. Right. Kristen, what do you think? What do you think about Fox and CNN, the mainstream outlets? What do they represent to you?
So I did a live back in December about a headline couple of headlines. And I couldn’t even keep back the fact of like, which network is on the left or which network is on the right, still can’t keep them straight. But I to me, what they represent is it are the two sides of the establishment, that we talk about the Pro and the anti, the left and the right, that’s what it represents to me. So when I look at those types of stations, I’m not I’m more looking at the bigger picture. Just that way I kind of operate. Thank you, honey. My son just brought me a cool book. That was my grandfather’s that I inherited. It’s called, We interrupt this broadcast. My grandfather really loved the news. And you got
to put it up. You got to move it back.
Put it right in front of your face.
Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Okay. Oops, we started it says we got a little bit back, moving back towards you. You felt this blurring it out your filter, but we saw it it said we interrupt
like a coffee table book. But I used to read it to my kids when they were little and it’s got like, kind of what I would say if off the top of my head I would describe as maybe like the official narratives of the major events that have occurred up until the time this book was published. From the time when the news became we began being broadcast on the television. Because as you know, like that wasn’t always a thing. We had radio but we didn’t always have the television news. So I wonder sometimes like, I think it’s like this, like the the mainstream narrative and I don’t even remember the official question. I think it was like what are the two represent to me, but there was a time that there were a whole bunch of different stations to choose from. It was just like, one kind of new station or to maybe. But to me, honestly, it’s really no different. It’s just a bunch. It’s like more ice cream flavors, but it’s still ice cream. They just, it’s more confusing today, I think, because we’re in an age of where we do have access to information at our fingertips, it’s like they need to just don’t want confusion on to everything. So I just tried to kind of stay out of it all and keep focused on the middle. And I can, you can kind of get what’s going on if you can get beyond the Pro and anti.
Well, here’s the thing, as you know, Christian, when many people first come to our movement, they’re stuck into one of those pro or anti right there either watching Fox or CNN. That conclusion takes actually training for people to understand today, you may know that others may know that but but we know many people who first came to our movement, they were big defenders of Fox or Trump. And then they went through this journey where they all the veils get removed, and they have sort of, it’s like, they’re the, you know, the Emperor with no clothes. So people go through that journey. It’s, it’s easy to come to that conclusion now. But if you go back five, or six or three, four years ago, a lot of people were still stuck in one of these zones, and still are either Fox, or CNN. And part of having this conversation is to, hopefully enlighten people to share this with others. But let’s go back to you know, even 50 years ago, if you look at, like if you’re in India right now, in the villages, in rural areas, do you know, independent newspapers are growing actually, people still like to read print independent newspapers, it’s interesting. The average like villager, or working person in India will have will actually read about five or six newspapers, they’re actually pretty well read. And those newspapers are done by local, small, independent journalists, and actually pretty good news. Now in the United States, for you up and you know, when that when the facts, Founding Fathers created the United States, they had a definition of the press. They said freedom of the press, does anyone know what they meant by that?
Freedom of the printing press.
It was basically the goal was everyone was supposed to be the press. And everyone is supposed to have the ability to write and distribute. And this is something that’s been forgotten, the United States Postal Service was created to enable every individual to be the press. Just like think about this. And people have no regard for history. And they forgotten what the US Postal Service was. It was one of the foundations of the Constitution it was if anything, that was really the power behind the First Amendment. So everyone here was supposed to be able to write something. And everyone for pennies could distribute through the Postal Service. And everyone was supposed to be the press wasn’t the New York Times as oppressor. CNN was oppressed, but it was every one of us was supposed to be able to be the press, the Postal Service was really the internet of the time. And they set up a police force to make sure that if I sent you, if I sent all of you guys a newsletter in the mail, and anyone opened it interfered, 22 years sentence in prison. So the Postal Service was an amazing institution. In 1997, I met with the Postal Service, and I said, you know, as the guy who invented email, I knew that when email volume exceeded postal mail volume, that an email was being controlled by three or four private companies, that was really going to be the death knell of the press. A lot of people don’t fully understand this. But it’s really when you rip away the layers, it turns out, in up until 1970, nearly 70% of all the mail was newsletters, like small guys that have their own little organizations like right wing news, left wing news, Nazi news, Green Party news. So the so the the physical Postal Service was a vehicle of independent journalism and press whether you liked it or not. And if you go back if you were born in the 70s, or before that you’ll notice there were like 20 newspapers even in a small town. Right? You could get you get like small banks, who had many, many newspapers. And anyone could start a newspaper was relatively cheap to do and you could do mimeograph print newsletters. What’s now happened is there’s organization you can look them up called Gateway media, look them up, or patch pa tch. So all the small newspapers got bought up by big guys and made to look like they were local, and it’s a very insidious trick they played well, there’s also an organization called, I think, Arabella hedge fund. They actually have local newspapers that look local, but they’re not. They’re actually controlled by a central centralized unit. So the reason why to share this, as we discussing this definition is there was a time news meant every one of you being able to produce something using the Postal Service to get it out. We were all supposed to be the press. So, somewhere around the 70s, in particular, all of this shifted. And by the internet, you basically have Robert McChesney. And there’s a good book he read, I forget the name of it. I read it many years ago, he basically analyzed all the news organizations, and he said, four major news companies own 90% 85% of the news. And guess what they all own equity and each other company, I think Viacom owns like 20% of Disney Disney owns. I’m making these numbers up, but they 20% of News Corp. News Corp owns Viacom, so all of them own each other. And they’re all good friends. And they said they have some quote unquote, competition. So I think it’s important to understand what is what we just talked about, what is the definition of news, its facts, it supports your reporting, right. But then on the media side, we did have news at one point, we had individuals like, John, you would write an article, right, you could easily create an ad for low money, you could do bulk mail, and John could have John’s newspaper Christian could have Christians newspaper, Tonya could have. And that was the purpose of the Postal Service.
When Reagan came into office, he made sure that all the best parts of the Postal Service were gutted and given to FedEx and DHL. So the Postal Service was left with the most low profitability, news to distribute. And so that’s why they couldn’t sustain a lot of the low costs. And they had to raise the price of stamps. Before I go look at it for a very low cost. Any one of us could distribute news, because the Postal Service was making their money from the overnight news and first class mail. And once DHL, and FedEx took over that, guess what you and I as citizens couldn’t distribute low cost news anymore. And the private guys took over Facebook, Twitter, etc. So I want to in that context, when the internet came, you know, we talk about Christian who said, Oh, I can go on the internet and get all this news, right? I do my own research, or people think, Jason, I think you were saying you don’t do news, social media. People think they’re doing news when they go on social media, right? What do you guys think? The phenomenon the difference is 3040 years ago, I could John could start his own little newspaper and put it out through the through the Postal Service, versus someone thinking they’re doing news when they go on Facebook or Twitter, particularly these big social media companies. Is it the same? What do you think, John?
Well, one is mandated by law, that by constitutional law, that it has to that they’re not allowed to interfere in the flow of information, they’re not allowed to monitor your mail and not open your mail are not allowed to stop your mail. So that was a very important thing that Benjamin Franklin pioneered, but the social media companies, they can once once once your content is in their system, it sort of becomes their quasi property, and they decide that they can do whatever they want with it.
Yeah, so the old model with the Postal Service, and the First Amendment, this was the United States was John could truly be the press, he could come up with facts or his opinion and spread it. Now, John, if you go up on social media and Twitter and you say valid images were destroyed in Massachusetts, and you get actual facts, what happens? Or if you put actual news, which you could do in the old days with the Postal Service, I could write a letter and I could send it out to 10,000 people at Bulk Rate very, like two cents, right? You could do that. If you do that today, and Twitter and Facebook. Are you do Scilab Free Press anymore? No, Tonya, what do you think?
No, not at all.
Yeah. So the goal of the internet was to become, in my view, an extension of the Postal Service, where all of us could be the press. And when I wrote arts in the internet, back in 1993, this was about every one of us being the press. That was the hope of the internet. And each one of us would build their own little websites. And we would build the internet. What ended up happening was Twitter, Google, and Facebook came, and they actually became the private postal service. So we all go to there and we post our little stuff. But when I said the ballot image or deleted Massachusett, which is an absolute fact, we were thrown off Twitter, by the government contacting Twitter, right. So I think this is a very important aspect of news because what is it? We’re actually because of technology now? Kristen? Alexa, you’re doing research, right? In the old days, you could go to a library and get access to a bunch of stuff. The question I have for you, Kristen is, how much knowledge can you actually get now because technology is consolidated, even the flow of information, like PubMed, for example, in science is the only location you can go to get scientific articles and they charge for it. So, you know, you said I go do my own research, but in the old days, you actually could go do research, you literally went to the library. Right? You could go through the microfiche, it was really not controlled in many ways. So the question is, in the old days, could you do better research? And today? What do you think Christian?
Yes, and no. So I think it’s like it’s, I found it over the years becoming increasingly more difficult to get information online. Like you said, like, you can go to PubMed and things like that. But a lot of things are behind a paywall. You know, I have to switch up my search engines all the time, I used to use DuckDuckGo. And now I’m using a different one because the searches are even controlled. The censorship, and then the amount of, you know, if you want to call it disinformation, or so I think it does take a great deal of I don’t want to discourage people from doing their own research. But at the same time, it takes a lot of critical reasoning skills and thinking skills, like the stuff that at least my generation, we were still taught that growing up in school, like how to assess the sources that we were even whether it was the library, because I grew up with the with the Dewey Decimal System System, and the card catalogs and all of that to the Internet didn’t come around till I was like first year of college. But yeah, to answer your question, is it better or worse, I think because of the control that is increasingly happening online, you probably can get more out of a library. But again, like the time consuming nature of going to a library, it’s not as accessible. You know, you have to like travel, sometimes you have to go to colleges or certain places where they have these things. I haven’t done library research in a very long time. But you know, it depends is how do you define better? So I think people do need to learn how to research I think, maybe we forgotten it, or people just never learned I’m not sure.
Well, let’s so let’s talk about like right now in China and Taiwan. In the old days, you would have beat reporters, you’d have reporters on the ground, filing news stories, right? We I think what’s happened with technology, you can block out news so much faster, you can hide stuff so much faster. Now you can consolidate and hide. There’s a guy called there’s a book written called the 37th parallel. And if you saw this book, what is it the movie The Social Network? The guy who wrote it wrote a book, very thoughtful writer. He came to a library here to do a book review. And it’s about aliens. Okay, 37 parallel, and this guy is a serious, hardcore researcher. And he said, I never believed in Aliens. I don’t think they exist. All this stuff. Anyway, the 37th parallel, he found out that all the alien sightings were on the 37th parallel on the latitude, okay. And he writes about this geographically. So at the library, he talks about his book, and then someone says, Hey, how do you think do you think the government could really hide the existence of aliens? How could they do that? It’s nonsense. We have so much freedom you could find, you know, he said, Well, do you remember when the Manhattan Project took place? You know, and when we were building the bomb the United States do, you know, he said that the government This is without technology. They had a way to make sure the word nuclear bomb was removed out of every newspaper in the United States. So that is without all the sophisticated technology. This is in the 40s. So just think about that. So his point was, I think this guy won a Pulitzer to he was saying that even back then they had a whole government had all news went through a because you know, the news went through services, right? wire services. The US government would extricate all these references to nuclear bomb making, etc. So they could do that then now you have a couple of big media companies. And if you notice, when Nancy Pelosi was in Taiwan, it was very hard to really understand what was going on there. We don’t really know What’s going on in Ukraine in Russia? So I feel what’s happening with technology. And I see this in science. You saw this a couple of weeks ago, right? For 16 years, a researcher 16 years ago, a researcher in University of Minnesota wrote a bogus paper made up medical images. Which, what complete nonsense about how Alzheimers images about, you know, the origins of Alzheimer’s right or Alzheimer’s was created the plaque, that paper became the most important paper, everyone else supported that paper and about a billion dollars of funding came because of that paper. So and that paper is on PubMed, it’s published on one major journal Nature. So what I’ve seen happen is more and more and more, there’s consolidation of the news. And if you have consolidation of the news, in terms of research, scientific journals, which is news, and you have media news. And so if you have three major medical publications, three major news, think about the collusion that’s taking place. Let’s say Jason has to Jason, let’s say you found some important news, you did research and you found this thing can save people from Alzheimer’s. What is the chance, Jason’s news is you’re ever going to find a Christian? So this is nothing. That’s what I’m saying. So I’m wondering now it’s a broad question. We find this because if you look at research, there’s all this research going on the small universities or small schools, how much of that actually comes to us? So what do you guys think about that? How do we do real research anymore? How do we so we I think we all agree, news is getting the facts, right? How do you get the facts? Who controls us even getting information anymore? The actual data, the facts,
talk to people at the scene, go to where the news is happening. That’s why I like the online news better, because you can actually talk to people in
an online newsletter. Tonya, what do you mean online news?
Um, well, one,
forces like telegram you have people that are in the area in London and Norway and in the in the countries, and they’re reporting they’re like reporting what’s going on right then? And they do like man on the street interviews and say, you know, what do you think is the worst thing going on in the area? And I completely, I mean, the last straw for me with regular media, was when we saw the reporters say, Oh, I have the stuff on Epstein. I sat on it for four years. And I knew all about Epstein. And I had all of the information. And so look at all the people that were abused in that four years. Why that? Were a quarter was sitting on that news.
So you’re saying you’re saying so you’re saying the way you resolve this? So the question was, how do you get information? That’s validated information anymore? Like, how do we know what’s actually happening? The news every day right now is reporting that Russia is going to you know, Russia is losing the war. I have intelligence sources that we you know, friends of mine have they say Russia is destroying Ukraine right now. Right. But everything we’re seeing is, so how would we validate what’s actually going on in Russia, Tonya?
Talk to people in Russia, I talk to people that have family in Russia, talk to people that live here, and you know, still have family and friends over there and what they are hearing firsthand.
Okay, so what we’re saying is, what you’re really saying is we need to go back to the freedom of the press, where the individual becomes the press again, that’s probably the way out of this. Correct? Right, where each one of us becomes the news again, or publishing of content directly from the source or observations.
So in the information age, we’re going back to just human interaction and telling stories, again, like we used to.
So in the old days, how was that done? You would write it in a physical letter and you would pass it around, right? Or you did it on phone calls. Right? Well, today, how would you get that news? You have to you would post that news on Facebook?
No, because I get censored on Facebook.
Right. Okay, so Okay, so suppose everyone in Russia started posting what was actually going on in Russia that Russia was destroying Ukraine right now. And Ukraine was losing. Do you think we had a we even with telegram. Do you think we would get that news? Kristin, you’re shaking your head, go ahead. they’ll probably go ahead. I go ahead, Kristin, if we can’t hear you. Go ahead Kristin
I’m sorry, my internet connections really slow, I apologize. I think honestly, I have to be so fast. And I’m not always like online. So I have to be so fast to catch things like you talked about the people in Russia. Every once in a while, there might be like a rogue tic tock or rogue video that gets past the censors, and you try to see it, but it takes like, you know, two years to have, you know, watching these types of things and like learning because I mean, even me, I could see somebody on the streets of Russia, and I’m, I’m a complete skeptic, I’m not going to believe 100% That that’s not a controlled propagandize piece that’s put out there for my you know, anything that I’m allowed to see, I assume that it’s because they want me to see it, like, I have a set of principles. So it’s like these rogue things that come through every once in a while, but like Tonya said, I think, talking to people, if you’re fortunate to have sources, you know, that’s the way to really understand, but I think it’s also okay to, to know, I think it’s also very important to know, that we don’t know, like, it’s okay, that I don’t know, everything that’s going on in Ukraine, right, like, I would rather know that I don’t know, then try to take this limited set of information from the mainstream, and basing opinion off of that. You know, there’s some people on this call that have educated me a lot about the situation in Ukraine, I think, also having like a really good set of people and friends, like myself with these people on the call. We can actually talk about things and share. Like the headlines we’ve seen in talk about like, oh, let’s go to this site. Let’s go see how these people voted. So that’s very helpful. I think that’s what you were asking. But yeah, I don’t think you can refined it. It’s last
word. The reason I’m asking this is the black show sort of Suresh and Jason Go ahead. Suresh. And, Jason, want to get in your thoughts on this? Yeah, I just want to do we actually get? The question is how do we actually so if we define news as real accurate information, it’s true reporting, right? It’s not opinion. It’s not propaganda. In a world where, let’s say all seven, six of us, right, here we are in in Russia, and we’re seeing what’s actually going on. And we start putting it up. Would John, let’s say, John, was here with John actually be able to get that information? Or would that also because of algorithms, you can contain that right, you can stop it. So the question is, how do we actually get the accurate information in a situation? Knowing Yes, go ahead, sir. How do you actually solve that problem in the modern world? Suresh Suresh, isn’t it guys technologies cut? Yeah, the
first thing that comes into my mind is don’t use these tools that are oppressing the opinions. They I just wanted to go back to the previous point that you mentioned. They advertise themselves as cheap postal quick postal services. And they decided to ban somebody from mailing. Like when you posted something in Twitter, they decided to kill you can they can ban you. And then they went an extra step like they can shadow ban you. They can take a mail from you and then throw it away. And then one step further. They can label your post as like, oh, misinformation, or not true. visit this site for real truth. It’s like taking your mail and stamping saying there is misinformation in this mail, or putting a card inside the mail saying, okay, whatever it is even worse,
right? It’s even worse, because you’re Yeah, it’s like the postal you’re sending a mail to John. And when John opens, it says what Suresh has sent us bad information. It’s even worse. It’s actually I mean, it’s further hurting you.
Yeah, it’s like you said, if postal service person does that they get 20 years or something. They open it, opening it in prison. Yep. Opening and putting something else in there. Whatever this person is saying is not true. So I would not use those tools. I would come up with our own tool, independent tool that doesn’t do all this shenanigans, like, Oh, I’m protecting the people, because I’m protecting what they should know. So that’s the first thing that comes into my mind, I would dump those platforms.
Jason, what do you think?
I would say, you know, it’s a lot of things that we practice in truth, Freedom health, but it’s definitely to drive away from the top, you know, a top down model and really work bottoms up. I think that’s a real way to do it is done that I don’t know if you remember that political satire I did. But I opened To what do you call that tick tock, and I put it on that tick tock, and within minutes, the it had more views than what I expected. But then I went to work and came back and it had no more views. I immediately thought it was throttled in some way. But that made me go bottoms up, because I’ve told a bunch of people about it, and no one could stop that. My words, my interactions with the local community. No, no one could stop that, you know. And to me, that’s where the real power, I noticed the real power.
So let me let me put forward. So I think we all agree, what news is, would be actual information of the events that took place that we get, and then we could draw our own opinions. Right. That’s what we’re defining news, as we all acknowledge that we live in a world with technology now, it’s harder to get news. And it’s actually there’s doubts on what news we’re actually getting. Right. So what would happen if you had a trusted network of actually human beings bottoms up, that on the ground would go back to being reporters again? And and could deliver news? So in local neighborhoods, So Jason, where are you right now in Florida, right? Yes. So in Florida, imagine, you know, there was some process, that you’re physically there, and you’re reporting, there may be 20 people in Florida, 30 people. And those 30 people are writing news that’s being directly fed into an environment where they know nothing’s being altered. Okay. And so you’re just getting observations, because in science, the scientific method is you’re supposed to get data, right? And then that data comes in, then you take that data, and then you make decisions. I think today, we don’t even know what data we’re getting. Are we even getting the data in as a data accurate, just from a scientific perspective? So what would you guys think would happen if we could take, I don’t know 100,000, ordinary working people, not connected to any media companies, not having to put that news on any of the big providers. But they literally became independent journalists again, by the way, CNN has a total, the number one news organization in the world. They only have a total of 4000 employees. Did you know that all the big news organizations have gutted all their reporters. They don’t have reporters anymore. You know, some reporter called me from sent me an email from Reuters. I’m never going to respond to them. He’ll say, blah, blah, blah, what do you think, and then he’ll just go write whatever the hell he wants. He just does it in a perfunctory way. But imagine a possibility where we could have 100,000 people were working people who do physical work, they don’t rely on writing news as their source of income. And they just did reporting actually said, This is a picture this would happen here. And we could figure out a way to get it direct, without any Twitter, Facebook, etc. Would that give us information? Same thing with science? You know, Aaron Schwartz, remember that guy? Everyone know who Aaron Schwartz was. So Aaron Schwartz was a interesting character. He had some issues, you know, health issues, but separate from that. He basically, right now, if all of us are scientists, when we write a scientific article, it goes to these journals, some of them are free. Many of them now you have to pay for, it’s called their behind the pay payment wall. And he felt that all this science journals should be accessible to all. So he literally downloaded them, and put them up and then he was afraid he was gonna get sued. young kid 23, and he killed himself. Okay. You can look it up Aaron Schwartz. So, but the idea is, if you’re doing research, and you could directly get it to people, like do the news, get it to people sort of what Julian Assange in some ways is trying to do that. Right. He was getting data and just dumping it. It was it here’s the cables, I’m dumping it, right. It just data data dumps he was doing. What do you guys think we could do that? Tonya, and then Kristen. And then, John.
I really liked the idea. But again, if you have somebody reporting that is left leaning right leaning or doesn’t realize all the not so obvious establishment stuff, they might put their own spin on it not knowing that they were so right. People doing it. Okay, so,
so stop. So what about if you had an environment where in the old days, like if you have a good plumber come in, there’s two kinds of plumbers, the guy who has a license was put in 1000 years, the guy who just as a hack, right, who would you hire, who would you believe, can do the plumbing for you?
Obviously, the person who’s certified
plumber, right, or the sort of because you know, he’s got the time there’s some structure right. Is there any structure to being a journalists today? How do you know? You know, when an engineer comes in or an electrician, he’s got it have put in 1000 hours? How do you know this doofus over here in journalism is better than this guy over here? What is the what is like the standards? Are there any? I don’t think so. Because if they’re left leaning or right leaning, so, I mean, our movement teaches people to go beyond left and right, we pound that away, we pound away a certain scientific approach to actually gather data. We’re teaching people science. So if you if you could have those kinds of people, all over the world, we’re committed to that we’re trained in that discipline, doing independent journalism. Would that solve that problem, Tonya?
Like? Definitely, definitely. Because I mean, now like I, I know, people that are married to people from other countries, and so they say what’s going on at their home land, and what their family and friends they’re doing. But then there is always that kind of skewing of, well, we like this person, or we don’t like that person. So it’s not just the straight facts. So yeah, it would be very beneficial.
Like if you think about what we did when we did the election fraud stuff, when we did the vaccine stuff when we did this stuff with what’s the stuff with the the laundering of censorship, pure data, no one could refute it. And the impact that we had, imagine if we get atomize that all over the world. And we literally could take every one of you here could report local news, right, in some meaningful way, without all these platforms. So I think what you’re saying is you need to know the person who’s doing the work has integrity, has a certain I don’t want to say certification but has gone through some process like you can trust them. It’s not coming out of some guy coming out of Emerson College, right? Nothing against Emerson, right, but was trained to be lefty or someone coming out of some right wing environment trained to support Fox and they’re just putting up, right, putting a narrative out there. If you could have actually engineers, like you would have a civil engineer, but a news engineer, right. And they’re actually going to report data of what they see. I think that’s what’s missing. John, what do you think?
Yeah, I’m noticing those.
Yeah, the only the it’d be a real shame if if all of the people that we’ve trained suddenly started suddenly started doing doing news on our end on our independent infrastructure that we have to say,
Yeah, I’m saying we have, for example, this is very interesting. We have a number of people right now. We know in Russia, we have people in China, we have people all over the world. And Finland, and one of our guises wrote to me, he said 10,000, Finns are against joining NATO, you don’t hear that. Tomorrow just wrote this to me this morning. I have a thing here. And I was just thinking, what will? How amazing would it be? To have because if people come through our movement who go through the training, you know, our movement really sort of forces them to face themselves. Some people have a lot of ego, and they can’t do it. But we’re building a collective model where we’re telling people, if you go through this training, you have a duty to serve, right. And that service means learning how to take this knowledge. It’s scientific training we give people and it’s really training how to actually gather real data and present it. That’s science. The goal of the real purpose of science was you did an experiment or you observed something, you gathered the data, you organize the data, and then you presented the data to people. Right, that was real science. That would be true journalism. And I don’t think anyone teaches that anymore. I think our movement is, in many ways, the movement for truth, freedom, health is probably the only true journalist organization on the planet left. So if that’s the case, I think could be very interesting, because then you would get like Sri Lanka, we did the video on it. We had a woman on the ground who was in the protests than the government. Who have you seen anything on Sri Lanka anymore? It’s all gone.
They got a new president.
That’s it. Yeah. And that’s it’s all gone. So I think what we’re coming to the conclusion is that we are in a dark ages, we’re heading into, like, literally, we’re in the darkness. We don’t have enough people actually giving us data. I think that’s it. In a world where there’s all these cameras, all these satellites With all this data gathering, I don’t think that people are getting any of this data. Are we?
Misinformation deliver all this
data, Jason was saying that we could get data, all these? China has 200 million cameras, I think the United States has 200 million cameras. Why isn’t that the people’s cameras? Why aren’t we able to just see all that data?
Only look at select cameras.
With Kristen, I was
just saying it kind of goes back to my point, if I see something, I assume it’s because I’m allowed to see it, they want me to see it. To me, it’s really no different than, like, historically. I know, like back in the 1500s, prior to when they had the printing press. It’s a little bit of a history lesson. But nobody could read the Bible. It was in Latin. And then so the Catholic Church had the monopoly on that, then they had the printing press. So suddenly, now, they couldn’t control the flow of information or the Bible at the time. But to me, that was the turning point. So now it’s kind of the same thing where
you have a gun over monarchies a monopoly. But this
is like the flooding of the information. So you bury it like I don’t know, I don’t have access to all that data. But I believe it’s out there. It’s just very
well, let’s just let’s just go to the point you were saying. So what happened was, this is what’s interesting, whenever a new technology comes, like the internet, like the printing press, by the way, the printing press was actually done by the Chinese before Gutenberg, it’s just been sort of forgotten Chinese to the printing press, 200 years before the Gutenberg Press. But regardless of that, whenever a new technology comes, we as naive humans think, Oh, my God, this is great, we’re gonna have more freedom. What ended up happening out of the printing press, you just created three major publishing companies first, you know, and they controlled all publishing after that. When the internet came, when I wrote arts in the internet, it was called a guide to the revolution, we thought the internet was going to make all of us be the independent press, what ended up happening, three major companies control 99% of the flow of information. And three major telecommunications companies control the distribution network. So it’s so what’s clear, is technology has never solved freedom. It has been when people rose up and seized those means of technology. This is something I think we all need to understand, we’re not going to have news until we have a real movement. And we as people own those means of communication. Do you follow what I’m saying? So when the printing press came, it started and then the elites go, Holy shit, people are gonna have too much power. So they consolidate internet comes, oh, my god, people are gonna have too much power and Real News. Consolidate. And so they appoint maybe Google Facebook, a couple of people to be the quote unquote, private entrepreneurs, but it’s ultimately controlled by government. I think we can think about this, right? Because and it happens with scientific research.
If we could bring back actual real freedom of speech and freedom of journalism, and, and the censorship and actually get real information to people, it would be as significant as, as email is inventing email. I mean, we are in such a, we’ve got so much information in it so much misinformation, if people could actually see, you know, some of the different things that are happening in real time around the world, not just this made up stuff that CNN or Fox films like the Vogue shoot in, in Ukraine, who cares? That’s not the real story. The story is down the road, but they choose to cover, you know, the shiny the shiny subject, if we could show people really what is going around the world and not be censored doing it. It would be tantamount to that and to email.
So to your point on Yeah. Let’s start with John. So how do we get real news? What is the solution? Given what we just talked about the fact we don’t have real news? We have propaganda. We know what we want. We want actual data so we can make our assessments right? As an as intelligent human beings. We know that if you right now. Three major telcos, three major media companies control that there’s a monopoly. So how do we get real news, John, what is the way that we do it? And just the answer, but what is your view? Well, it has to
start bottoms up. It has to be people on the ground like we’ve discussed, but then they have to be able to get their stories from themselves as individuals to a other people. So it has to be infrastructure that so there has to be infrastructure that can’t be controlled by any of these private companies.
So taking that right now in Sri Lanka, you have to ask why are we not getting any news? So riff on that, John, why are we not getting any news? Why are we not getting Russian people actually telling us what’s going on Russia right now? Or what’s going on Sri Lanka?
Because there’s no because there’s no, there’s no storage, no infrastructure to transport, the information, the transport the truth and the information across in spite
of that, in spite of the world where we live in there’s so much capabilities with all the cable and satellites and all that. Isn’t that fascinating? Yep. We live in a world of so much infrastructure to do this, yet, we have less news. Now. In the old days, you would write a letter and you would probably maybe be two weeks later, but you probably get really good letters and what was going on from a soldier in, in Sri Lanka, or Ukraine, so you’re saying, John, on the ground people, and give them a capability that could send it to us? Yeah. Jason, what do you think? How do we get real news, which again, we’re defining news as actual data on the ground. So someone like a Christian or Tonya can go somewhere and get and then they say, oh, that’s what, maybe there’s 20 different things. How do we get real news, Jason,
as that’s what I was gonna say, it’s personally, I would be a little intuitive and work at finding some of this data. And then as we, as I would do, maybe analysis to maybe cooperate some of it, I would then deliver that information to others, as I’m not necessarily trying to convince them. But or I’m not telling them what should be or could be, I just want to deliver accurate data so they can make the decisions for themselves.
Right. So someone just said independent websites are the place where people can go to see a list of reputable sites? That’s an example. Someone said, having our own satellites? Well, you got to be billionaires to do that. Okay. What else? Well, the other solution is working people could seize all the satellites of Elon Musk, on and on behalf of the working people. Something to consider, okay, why should we have to build all this infrastructure? There could be a good revolution, and people can seize this on behalf of the working people of the planet,
right? Seize the means of communication.
So you seize the means of communication. Because right now, I think we all have to acknowledge that, given the big events that are going on, I have a friend in China, for example. Okay. He has to be very careful when he writes to me on email. He’s a professor there, okay. Because I’m trying to figure out what the hell’s going on. Right. And when I send an email, he has to be very, very cagey when he writes back to me. Think about that. Chris, and how do we get real news? I mean, Jason, you said, John, how do we get real news?
Well, the simplest response is going to be for me is going to be the system’s approach that we learned in the wonderful class that you teach Dr. Shiva, I can’t quote it all by by heart right now. But it’s like the decentralization all of the inputs that are necessary. For truth, freedom and health, I think would apply to how we get the news. And I think the inputs for the power, profit and control also explain why we’re not getting the news. And I think that would cross whether we have the internet or no internet needs to be bottoms up, decentralized. And then of course, the interconnection of the parts, like the interconnection between all of us, however, we want to do that, as long as it’s got the, you know, the inputs, the correct inputs that you teach for truth, freedom and help. And then just a side note, I’m not going to get too into, like, the real things I think about because we are on their platform, I don’t want to, you know, but um, I can share when you mentioned the person in China, I had a professor in college from Russia, and he talked about what it was like, in the country. At his time, during communism, he actually had to smuggle like different manuscripts over to America. And there’s a lot of literature from that time period of like World War Two from Europe, where they would write things in fictional sort of versions. I mean, it still exists. So people had to get clever about how they shared information. I’m not saying we need to do that. But that is one way historically that people have. I wouldn’t necessarily say that that’s data news. But you know, people had to get clever with how they shared information. And I feel like we’re in that time right now.
Right. So I think the point I think, I think the thing that’s coming out of it we all agree that we live in a world right now, where human communication among people has been seriously seriously censored. And young kids don’t know how to write letters anymore. There’s no typewriters. So, you know, I would write a letter to John, right. And the old days, it would take like three days to come there. And John would get a letter, and maybe he’d mimeograph it and share it with friends. We don’t have that anymore. One could argue, you go back to paper, right. That’s a Luddite model. And some people have argued that. So what I want to do is I just put up a call in number as we wrap up, we want to take about 15 minutes worth of calls. So anyone out there, what do you think? How do we solve given the discussion? I think our expert team or bottoms up working people team, we’re not have sort of concluded just using pure logic we don’t. We want news, we want to know what the hell’s going on in let’s say, Ukraine or China? We don’t know. We rely on the fucking New York Times. Excuse my language, but that’s what they are. They were organization where we rely on some hack at politico, right? Or some doofus at Daily Beast, these are the idiots that we rely on these people aren’t journalists? How do we get knowledge of what’s going on the ground? Knowing now what we know about Facebook, Twitter, that if you were to put up knowledge you can be how do we get knowledge anymore? That’s the question people can call in 617-631-6874. How do we get actual news? And when you call them, please say your name. Someone’s used to say news used to be interconnected to a newspaper. Okay. What else do we have here? Someone’s doing excellent discussion, someone saying, why don’t you try to convince Elon Musk? Well, you know, Elon Musk, you have to understand, has got all this money from the government. A lot of people have illusions about this guy. And by the way, Elon Musk, all of his companies he never even found that he took from others. And unfortunately, very naive people thought he was going to do something for Twitter and we our movement predicted he wasn’t going to do anything which he didn’t he what he did on Twitter was essentially to get probably a lot of right wingers to buy Tesla’s it was for you to make you think like he was fighting and smokes weed with Joe Rogan, another grifter. But ultimately, Elon Musk is of the government but you know, he’s, he’s an elite. He made all of his money from the government got all the subsidies. He knows that the government controls Twitter, yet he never addressed that fact. So I think it comes back to what John and Jason were saying it’s got to be bottoms up. So anyone if no one has any things we’ll close up. But if anyone, oh, type your number here, okay, here’s the number. Let me just put it up here. We change the ticker here. Okay, so if you want to call in, you can ask, share your comments on the discussion we’re having right now. Okay, call and 617-631-6874. Tell us what you think someone’s calling here. Hello, this is Dr. Shiva. Who is this Please introduce yourself. And yeah.
Hi. This is Keith Sioppe, by Michigan.
And I didn’t catch the whole thing because
Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Keith, hold on one second. Hi, this is Dr. Shiva. Can you hold on one second while I finish up with Keith. Thank you. Go ahead, Keith.
Okay, it’s hard to secure communication. Did you talk about cryptography at all I may have made you did I miss that?
We did. So So what we’re saying is, look, let’s forget. So one is technology. Okay. One is cryptography. Yes. One is big. Just let me just make a point about what is it the blockchain and cryptography you every I hope everyone knows that right around the corner is a new technology called quantum computing that’s coming. When quantum computing comes forget about blockchain, okay? Because they’re gonna break every prime number. And, you know, those who have quantum computers will bust the biggest factor, you know, primetime. So, let’s talk about so what happens is a nerds get all into like blockchain problems nerds is they don’t study history. Technology is never solved anything. It’s in fact, or they’re subjugated people. That’s why, right. So let’s sort of move beyond that. And the question I have for you, Keith, is, what do you think is the solution for us to actually, let’s say there’s 100 people in Russia right now who actually have real news. We’re not getting it. How would we get it here? Keith?
Yeah, that’s a great question. And it was discussed about a system to do it right. So it may be no I’m saying to ground network of people that actually speak talking to each other. Sending whatever messages to each other, but it was it was a decentralized system. It was difficult for someone else’s to um.
David said landlines here. I mean, do we go back to letters?
Part of it, I think that would be part of that system.
Okay. Well, that’s a question. That’s what we want to think about. I think that someone said independent websites, which I thought was interesting, right.
Yeah. And someone mentioned like, you know, like, you know, on your on your website, we you know, having protected communication. Right. Right. Right on rusher. That would part of it.
Well, yeah, that’s.
Yeah, great question. It’s a great now you’re,
I’m saying this is, this is so drop, let’s drop all the, you know, Blockchain nonsense. I mean, I can talk about blockchain all day as a technologist. And I think that conclusion one will come to very shortly is we need to build a movement. It’s the only way out of this not a technology. It’s human beings coming together. And the establishment put so much power, Keith, to make sure we do not come together. Keith, hold on. I’m going to take this other call, but thanks for calling in. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, are you from Santa Cruz? How are you? Please, please ask your Can you shut off the background noise? Thanks. From Santa Cruz. Sorry. Can you shut out the background noise? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. You have to turn down your audio on the background.
Hi, actually, I’m from Colorado, this is Renee.
Oh, go ahead. Renee.
Renee from Colorado. Yep.
Go ahead, Renee.
Oh, okay. I think that public speaking, which is something that we should take a look at. We need to go into high touch, which is people, the people,
That’s great. Go, excellent service,
Especially postcards when we communicate with Congress, because they can’t, you know, I mean, you flip it over, you get the message. And I teach cooking. And what I’m going to be doing is incorporating the system’s approach into wellness and my cooking classes. And I’m going to educate people about the food chain and all the stuff that I’ve been learning from you. And I’m really excited. I hope I can make a difference.
I’m sure you can. But I think you said something quite. I think this is probably the closest we’re getting now to solution. What you said something Rene, that was brilliant is you know, I don’t know if you know Socrates, the grateful he hated. He hated the written word. He thought writing could always be manipulated, already loved speaking to people directly. Go look at all the great, you know, philosophers and leaders Christ, I don’t think wrote anything down. But that never wrote anything down. It was all oral communication. So maybe the way out of this guys, is we get back on the ground. John meddler loves to do standouts, we love to go on the ground handout, our little cards, right? Little printed cards. We started this and everyone’s taking this idea all over the country. We’ve seen this. It says what is what we do. We handed out 2 million of these cards before Trump hijacked the electronic integrity movement and fucked it all up. And there’s Tonya’s got cards. I think it’s probably old school on the ground. Yeah, on the ground,
My classes. And there’s a group here. I want to let you all know about really active with the school board’s be sending some information to Heather on that.
Okay. Yeah. So thank you. Very nice, Renee. Thanks for calling in. Thanks for sharing. So I think this is probably, I think it’s a good way to, by the way anyone can call into 617631. So would we all agree, imagine if we had a network of this is sort of a people go through the truth and help or your training, they understand a systems approach to go beyond left and right. So they’re not in one camp or the other. They learn how to look at data from a systems approach. Hold on, someone’s calling here from Columbus, Ohio. Hello, how are you? Are you from Columbus, Ohio. I am good. So tell us what your comments and your thoughts are on this question. So the question is, how do we get real news? All right, hold on one second. I got someone else calling. Can you hold on please? Hold on one second. I’ll bring you in. Thank you. Sure. Um, Sorry, I’m sorry, go ahead, I’m sorry, go ahead
is to get folks in all parts of the starting off to where freedom is most available. And getting in these town squares and doing things of Town Square types of forums and have the ability to then communicate through this. I mean, whether it’s our phones or some other technology, I mean, technology still has to be a part of it. But to combine the element of town squares in person, and then apply some sort of application technology that cannot be interfered with.
Yeah, so let’s take the town square, no, but what I’m talking about, let’s go back to old school, right? You got a million people who go through understand the System’s Approach, which means there’ll be on left and right I think that’s it has to be that has to be like foundational. They’re not in the left wing. They’re not in the right wing, would you agree? Because right away, then you’re going to fall into Fox or CNN. Step one, step two, you learn how to articulate Okay. And you go physically into your town square, like we used to do in the old soapboxes, you go into your town square, you have a little flyer, which people can paper, still paper, you can print it out, and you hand it out to people and you give a talk, it may be interestingly hard initially, if you’re shy, but you connect with maybe someone will throw tomatoes at you. That’s okay. But you give a talk in the town square. And we all start doing that. We all hand out flyers. In Massachusetts, for example, we had 3000 people, we handed out 2 million of these cards, which means one out of three households got these. And we did that Kristin when we do that in a period of like 60 days,
John? Yes, something like that. Maybe.
We ordered 2 million boxes of cards, printed them. And then we handed out inMassachussetts. So that’s 6,000,006 point 7 million people. Right? Every household got one of these. So
If you had a view market, and when I say market, if you communicate it in a way that these town squares are specifically for the purpose of getting real data and real news, yeah, I’m real information. And you can participate in as it’s a gathering of whatever locations that people decide upon, that you can bring this information. And there can be scribes, it can be people who are recording this information. And you can collaborate and also verify amongst each other if you’re getting the same information, and making sure that the information that’s being recorded is accurate.
What it’s what is your name again?
Jim, what’s interesting is in 1982, when I was at MIT, remember, the internet really hadn’t taken off, right, right. Me and my friends would would put out, we were troublemakers on campus. And there was a student newspaper who the administration funded for like $50,000, we had no money. A friend of mine, I was living off campus at a professor at a former professor had been fired because he was also an activist. And he had an old mimeograph machine in the in his basement. So we would print out a little flyer and eight and a half by 11, little flyer on attacking the MIT administration, exposing how they’re mistreating the food service workers. And we would print out 5000 of these. And we would hand them out. And it was very satirical, very hard hitting people love them. We used to do it once every two weeks, people would wait in line for us to show up just one sheet of paper. It was old school, and we scared the shit out of the MIT administration, you can still go and talk to them. We weren’t a 30,000 page newspaper. It wasn’t done beautifully. It was old school leaflets. So it may be just to go old school everyone, old school people using themselves in the town square. We have outsourced so much of our stuff elsewhere. Do you know what I’m saying? Like we think we need Google and Facebook and websites and all this. It may be just a stupid little piece of paper, handing it out going out to people. We know how much effect we had in Massachusetts, when we did the real Indian fake Indian campaign exposing Elizabeth Warren, we destroyed her. And we didn’t have
Knology is actually working against everyone. Yeah. And, and the reality of it is, is that as old schools you want to make it I mean, it’s like going offline. I don’t want to get on my phone. I want to go on a hard line. It’s almost it’s almost removing ourselves or detaching from this technology that gets us back to the ability to know what’s real and what’s not.
Right. Right. So great. Great very much. Thank you. Great points.
This is so critical. I mean, I can’t believe I stumbled upon this. Because it’s amazing. You know, I was a journalism major at Ohio State University and it was so bad then and it’s just it’s truly Scary.
Well come to our orientation come to our orientation every 11am and 8pm. We do an orientation, we have more people and you should come to it. I just put the ticker down there for you. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, let’s take our last person. I’m sorry, from Illinois. Please ask your comment or question. I think someone go ahead.
Yep, this is Joan. I’m actually from Tennessee, but in northern Wisconsin on vacation. And what I wanted to say was, I have a friend who we’ve been close for quite a while going through different educational things. And she’s from Russia, and her father is still in Moscow, and the ability to get information. It’s, it’s fearful for her to she can no longer go over to Russia to see her father because of what’s going on. And she recently spent a couple of weeks as a humanitarian visit to work with single moms and their kids, to try to help them kind of get through the PTSD that they’re going through. And what I’m still seeing in talking with her is that the anybody who tries to say what they think is going on in Russia, immediately ends up in prison.
In Ukraine, you’re saying out of Russia, or out of Ukraine,
In the her her family, her dad is still in Moscow, okay? And, and what she has said to me is that if you speak up against anything that Putin is doing, you are either put on the front lines, and you’re gonna be dead, or you’re immediately thrown into prison. And so the people that want to speak up and say, you know, this is wrong, you know, whatever. So the fear factor of the feet on the street, is, you know, we’ve got people that, you know, went into the capital of what, year and a half ago, and a lot of them are still in solitary confinement. So I think there’s a tremendous amount of fear in our country, and obviously, in places like Russia, to actually, I know, or I see this happening, I’ve talked to so and so I know that they’re in prison, I know that this is happening. So I guess my concern is that, how do we get past the fear factor of being a spokesperson? And trying to get the information out there? That’s all I want.
Let me ask you a question. Just as I want to address that. But your friend does she have what’s going on in Ukraine? If you’re in Ukraine, and you try to tell what’s going on Ukraine does the same thing happen to you?
No, she she’s not in Ukraine, we went to the Czech Republic, so that she could work with the Ukraine mothers and their kids, because that’s where they’re being sent as refugees. But the people in Ukraine are definitely getting their butts
get. Yeah, exactly. But what I’m saying is in the US News, the presentation is Ukraine is about to defeat Russia, which is absolutely false. They’re getting there. They’re getting their butts kicked, like you said, what I’m saying how come people in you we’re not getting news out of Ukraine, that they’re getting their butts kicked. It’s almost Alinsky is about to win give us give him some more money resigns, he’s about to win, you know, give us more money. I’m what I’m saying is how come the news, the reality of Ukraine is not coming out? Also. Do you have any thoughts on that?
The only, so not from my friend, because she thinks that the head of the Ukraine is all good, and lots of things that I’ve read. He’s not so good. And it’s so it’s hard to tell what is really going on there. And how much of these supposedly, bio weapon labs are in Ukraine, and that’s one of the reasons you know, we’re our country is supposedly hooked up with a lot of these Bio Labs. And so we’re, we as a country are happy to have this war going over there because it takes the focus away from what’s what has the United States been doing in the US grain? And again, you know, it’s one of those things that I’m always digging, trying to find out, you know, what is the truth? And and how much is the Ukraine responsible for child trafficking? And so, I don’t know. But I think that’s where I know that just this kind of conversation if it blows my brain, how, when I’m talking to my friend, that I know that the AI system is alive and well. And it listens to everything that we say,
well, what looks so what? So to answer your more deeper question, what do we do? Well, first of all, you should come to our orientation. And it’s a good way to end this call, the movement for truth, freedom to help does exists. This the only movement of its kind on the planet, which was organized to a educate people to think beyond left and right, step one. So it’s the scientific framework to think beyond left and right. Number two, it’s a movement. Number three, it’s a community. And we’re all over the world. So our goal is to give people confidence for themselves and empower them with tools with technology, and with education that we put together. So I invite you to come, I put a little note every, every Thursdays, we have an open house to learn more. But we believe obviously, there’s more of us in them. And we believe more people are good than there are people that are evil. And it’s time. Yeah, so it’s time that people overcome this fear. And organize. Because if you bring up fear, you’re just stunned. You don’t do anything, you know. Uh,
And that’s, I mean, that’s where I run into the roadblock where I try to get my friend to vote.
Yeah, yeah. But what I’m suggesting is forget voting, we need to build a movement. So what I suggest you do is come this Thursday, we just did our we had a great meeting with people from all over the world at 11am, or 8pm. I just put it and you can just go to VAS.com/orientation. And sign up. There’s no cost or anything. There’s no commitment. Just come and listen. And I think you’ll be very, very excited. And you’ll actually overcome fear too.
Yeah know, no, I’ve actually already signed up as a warrior. Oh, great. But what happened with me as I I wanted to get away from the medical tyranny of Chicago, I moved down to Tennessee, bought a home in April. And then mid June, they dropped a two and a half diameter foot oak tree on my house. So for the last couple of months, I’ve been in total limbo, because it’s the house is considered unsafe to be in. But yet, it’s hard to find a place to hear that. Yeah. It’s just been crazy. So I’ve been very distracted with trying to get my house fixed and be in a safe place.
Well, just just so sorry to hear about that. That must be very hard. But what stay in touch. We have Thursday meetings also. But anything we can use to support? You know, from a community standpoint, we’re here, but thank you for calling in. Okay. I can be Well, yeah. Okay, let’s have some closing comments. John, let’s close it up. So I think we had a really good conversation. Bullet points. News is what we all want. We want accurate information, too. We live in a very, very controlled situation right now. The access been choked. Three, we want to build new channels of communication. Those channels could be technology, but it’s clear. Bottoms up human stuff is ultimately the way to do it. Right. I mean, it may be harder. But go ahead, John.
Well, no matter the the key takeaway thing is, is that I think no matter where you are, there’s really nowhere to hide from the problem. Like if you go to Russia and you criticize, criticize Putin, you might think, well, he’s not what the globalists at least but if you criticize him in your own country, you do so at your own risk. And if you criticize this Alinsky regime in Ukraine, and you happen to be in Ukraine, you then have their secret service showing up on your door and you’ll never be seen again. If you criticize the American regime, they have very and you live in America, they have very very clever ways of shutting you down and make your life hell so that so the corruption between you could say the Eastern use, you could say the Eastern corruption is more honest because at least they do the favor of just shooting you in the head behind behind the shed or something like that. But at least that’s more honest, you might say form of corruption. But then what goes on here but the but the end result is the same we have to build working people have to create alternative infrastructures. You know, the government’s not gonna sweep in and Do it for us, there’s no going to be magic election where we just sweep into power, because they control the election systems. And then I’ll violence isn’t going to isn’t going to do it. Because they’ll just use that as an excuse to crush us. But we have to get sophisticated. And we have to build alternative systems that are simple enough for the average person to use that are robust enough to withstand attempts to shut them down. And decentralized. Decentralization is an important factor in that. And yet to decentralize decentralized in the in the sense that no that no one can take them over. That they can’t be hijacked.
We want to thank online call for donation, we appreciate it. Thank you. So John, follow up, what would happen if we went we just use the simple communications not for dissemination where we all learn to go on the ground? Once a week, we all went into the town square handed out flyers and met our neighbors face to face. And this was done by millions of people everywhere. What do you think about that technology? John,
I always believe that if you’re going to build connections with people, you have to do it face to face, it has to be in real life. It has to be local. Isn’t
that what churches do? Don’t we still like exactly literally like
dirt? Weekend, right? People think you need to do the state to do everything. It used to be like your local church that would provide all the social services because people would just come together and do it. It was a self organizing system.
Right? It was a sellout. But But don’t we still do that people still?
Yeah, a lot of people still go to church. I certainly go to church. I have a lot of friends at church.
Yeah. And and the concept if you go look back at the concept of many religions, it was you’re supposed to do your local meetings, and it was decentralized. And many of these religions, you know, Christianity was radical, right? It was against the state, the government, and they’ve met these thankfully, and people still do that. They don’t. I mean, when even the Zoom stuff came during the stupid COVID Nonsense. People still missed the local community. Right? I know you go to church, right? You don’t do it over zoom. Right. So why don’t we all use that technology? Go ahead, Tonya.
Thank you for inviting me tonight. And I think Jim in Ohio just joined, don’t wait for the Orientation. Just join. Okay, you get half of it already. And then to the person who said, what do you do about the fear? Well, I don’t remember who said this, but I would rather live on my feet than die on my knees.
It was as may or Marie or RPI could continue or viviendo Salah so it’s better to die fighting on your feet than living begging on your knees. And that was Emiliano Zapata. Mexican Revolutionary. Yep.
She she was right. He
Yeah. But it’s a very, it’s a very famous point that I think people need to understand now. The one slogan was as may or Marie el pueblo when either Hamas Sarah Van Sciver, which means that people united will never be defeated. And then when they did get defeated, so good shape. So Pueblo armado, Hamas said or passed out of the people armed will never be crushed. So you know, passion isn’t enough. Okay. But the issue is, what do you arm yourself with, and the army here could be with knowledge, the army here could be with weapons, the army here, it’s the ultimate weaponry is knowledge. And what our movement teaches is a movement is a knowledge of systems, interconnecting things. And I think this discussion is very valuable. Jason, you final closing points. Jason’s a multi talented renaissance person artists, among many other things. Good. Jason.
I actually I agree with everyone what they were saying about the bottoms up aspect and getting out and speaking publicly. And but I will touch on the fear thing, as I will pretty much talk to anyone, anytime. And I spent a lot of time on the ground. I actually have great interactions with everyone. I tried to see lots of times people won’t even look you in the eye when you’re crossing them on the street are preoccupied with something else. But I almost try to push that interaction on them as like I said, I don’t not that I don’t watch the news. But what I see in the news does put that fear in you and I, I’m just saying personally, what I experienced in real life, it’s nothing like that. I bring great interactions with everyone and I and I would say with the misinformation with medical has actually almost killed me. So that was way more fearful and any political drama that I dealt with in jobs or whatever you want to call it all throughout any top down thing. That’s way more scary too. But that’s again, my own personal opinion.
One of the things I want to share with you the news you’re getting here today, okay? Is not from Tucker Carlson or some dude Because on CNN, everyone here actually has no vested interest. Everyone here works for a living. I just want to emphasize this. Our movement is by the people for the people. You know, John works for living. Tonya works for living Jason works really inspiration work for a living, I work for a living. And part of this is this conversation, really perturbs those in power? Because they’ll try to say, Oh, what are you guys experts in? You don’t have a degree in media. It’s like, Fuck off, right? The experience that we have is living day to day life. Like Jason, what you just said, that’s the expert, right? You’ve learned that, you know, you look at what’s what they’re saying to then you go on the ground, you see people actually want to connect, they want to look at people in the eye, etc. Go ahead, Suresh.
Yeah, closing points, I think you bring up a really important point. Because the people we see in TV have really, really severe, high conflict of interest. They work for national health services or something, and then they go on TV, and then they go and join a get a job in a big pharma company. So do we want to listen to them, who have very high conflict of interest are people who are bottoms up who are working people who work for a living who don’t drift from other’s work? So that’s an important point. And I wanted to talk about fear, I think all the problems we have today is because of fear, we can have all sorts of technology, cryptography, Blockchain, even quantum quantum computing, but what if people are, let me say the dirty word if people are ignorant? What can you do with any sort of technology? What will you do? If you give a monkey like latest cutting edge technology? Does it you give it freedom of speech, freedom of whatever, monkey is not going to? Nothing is going to come out of it. Right, the real and the fear fear is next next one I want to I wanted to tackle fear. I think it’s leading to that one or another another problem that we are facing, what is the purpose of life? I think this spiritual topic, I just want to touch this before we close. What is the purpose of life? Why are we here? weakness? Fear, it just leads to slavery, all kinds of misery, death. What’s the purpose of living in fear? You’re more dead than alive? If you live in fear, why? Why do you want to live this way? Strength is the antidote to weakness. Teach people to live with strength that’s already in them. You are a divine creature. The the atoms in your body came from a supernova you are more powerful than the A star. Why do you want to live in fear? What is the purpose of life? I wanna, I want to keep saying this to people. That’s why I go out and hold my sign and our prayers every week. And I feel like I’m giving strength to people and I’m sapping energy from people who have hung better, humpback who raise their hand, who salute? Who facepalm who come and hug, who bow down, bow down to me. Why do you want to live in fear? This fear is going to lead us to slavery, misery, to live in fear. And that’s because we don’t have knowledge. That’s what a moment is bringing. Lack of knowledge leads to weakness leads to fear all kinds of slavery and misery. So don’t live in fear. I keep saying this. Because it just
was Suresh I think the key thing is to those people, Suresh was observing our mood for two years, and he went out and actually on the ground, and I think that’s when you had the transformational experience. I think what someone said was go to the town square. John loves to go on the ground. I love to go on the ground. You know, I think the key thing that I’m leaving this conversation with is you just come back to this very fundamental basic, you got to go on the ground and meet people and those in power want. Ultimately, the fake news is actually disinter intermediating, between us and other people. I think that’s really the takeaway. Right? So they, whatever they put out there is to create fear, distrust against other working people. And so monkeypox, this that blah, blah, blah, so don’t go on the ground. The end goal is that you don’t connect with another human being. And I think the conclusion of this conversation comes to if we’re going to have real news is to connect with other human beings. It’s connection. And the only way you can do that by by yourself is something very simple get on the ground and go to the town square physically hand out a frequent flyer. Because then you don’t need this. You don’t need this. You’re, you’re you have ultimate power. Because you’re going in making news. You’re when you go out and you’re standing, you hold a banner out truth, freedom and out your hand out a flyer. You are now the newsmaker. That’s news. You become the sort you become the creator, and the medium for the news. And I think that’s what we really leave with. So and that’s what our movement says, like Suresh, you said, it’s about destroying ignorance, get on the ground and learn why the hell people are learning from here. What is news? And how do we create news, everyone here is a powerful human being you create your own news, put on your T shirt, truth terminology, you know, go out and hand out a flyer, and we’ve made it easy for people. To just sort of close, what I want to share with people is if people go to me, we have a very simple website, we spend most of our time as many people know, sharing a lot of content. But if people go here to truth, freedom health.com, you will see our slogan is get educated or be enslaved. It says empowering you with the science of systems, we create infrastructure and community to build a bottoms up movement. And will we have, you can support the movement, it’s your movement, it is not my movement, it’s not Tonya’s movement, you can contribute. And when you when people contribute, what we’ve done is we’ve created people can contribute nothing, we give tools, and I’ll walk you through those. So for example, if you contribute 100 or more, it’s not about it’s about reciprocity. We’ve created all these tools, we’ve created tools for activism, we’ve created videos, we’ve created scientific papers, we’ve created a whole certification program. So you can be essentially a a true revolutionary, we define what revolution is, we give you books that you can pay hundreds of dollars, it’s included, we teach you how to take care of your body, we give you scientific papers, we give you tools that’s independent of big tech, and you get to join a community. Or if you don’t want that you can get other tools, there’s sort of a greater thing, if you don’t have any money, at least become a member, and you still get a bunch of gifts. But the point is, you’ve got to break the ignorance. And we’ve created a world here we’ve created infrastructure for you to learn. We’ve created a community like Jason and Suresh and John and Tonya and a whole bunch of other people all over the world. So you don’t have to feel afraid. Okay. You can connect with other people. But most importantly, we want you to become the news. You make the news, you get on the ground, you meet people, you shake people’s hands, you give inspiration. That’s the news. And I think we’ve answered our questions. Haven’t we started with one point? I think we’ve ended with what is the news? The news is you. You are the news? You are the medium? You’re the agent of change. Do you guys think is that a good definition? Yeah. It’s Fox, CNN, Fox, Fox News. These people aren’t the news. They are if anything, the illusion, they’re evil, they take you away from you your power. So it’s time for people to become the news. But you get out there and you go beyond left and right. So I want to encourage everyone to come to our orientation at least become a truth freedom and health warrior. But it’s time that people overcome fear and become the news. You are the news. What are you guys saying? Good?
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