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In this discussion, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, the Inventor of Email, Candidate for President of the United States, provides insights how one’s questions reveals their consciousness in this interview.

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Good afternoon. Good evening. Good morning, everyone. This is Dr. Shiva. I hope everyone’s doing well today. We’re going to have a discussion a further discussion on, consciousness and questions. Our interview is going to ask me a lot of different questions. He’s got about 100 questions. I don’t know if we’re going to be able to go through all of them, but we’re going to have a discussion on those questions.

But 1 of the things I really want to talk about is, questions really reveal state of consciousness. So I want to keep that in mind as we go through this. Let me just play our quick intro. And we’ll start our interviews shortly.

All right, everyone, we’re going to have a discussion continuing with our questions on this interview with about a hundred questions or so. I don’t think we’re going to get through all of them. We really want to focus on one of my interesting topics about questions and how that reveals a state of consciousness.

So that’s what we’re going to start. So let me bring in our interviewer. And let me, I think he has to unmute himself. Unmute yourself? That’s what okay. Good. There we go. All right, let’s start. Okay. Welcome to the matrices story or chronicles where we search for the 1 today. We continue with Dr.

Shiva. Shiva for by asking questions directly by rehearing carefully. Our February 23rd, 24 first interview linked to in matri substack com. Dr. Shiva, to avoid interrupting as you speak. It helps if one says something like, next question. So we don’t guess that the nature of a pause and you’re speaking.

First question, why sir, did you shy away from the idea of being. Benevolent dictator, being that we currently have malevolent dictators on all levels, profit wise, corporate, control wise, academic, and power wise, governmental, just as you’ve laid out, i. e., you would never really know what’s going on. Moment by moment, the will of the majority of we, the people that elected you anyway, right?

Without frequent universal referendums via so called direct democracy voting by so called truly private, secure blockchain voting. Yes? Your thoughts? First of all again, as I was sharing when I started, the questions actually reveal. Essentially the consciousness of the individual.

And I’m not I’m not making any a subjective statement here, but the concept of using the word dictator benevolent or malevolent assumes that we’re already stuck in a particular mode of governance, right? One, which is top down driven, right? Because whether it’s a malevolent dictator or a benevolent dictator, that question assumes.

That we have a top down model. And the reality is that the movement, the framework that we’ve created a truth, freedom, health is something very vastly fundamentally different. So I don’t even think in those words. So that’s why there was I don’t avoid answering questions. I just, did not think the question was an appropriate 1, because I’m in a different realm.

And that realm is a realm of where how the universe actually works. The universe actually works in the space, not of a mechanistic top down organization. When you study system science, and this is why I encourage everyone, if you really want to get out of the off the plantation, a lot of people are still stuck on the plantation.

So the questions. Are still coming from the plantation owners, which affect people’s psyche. And the reality here is that when you’re off the plantation, you realize that the universe actually works by some very different governing principles that the world that you see around you in this world since discovery of some of the laws of motion by Newton in the 1600.

In fact, there’s more evidence growing. He didn’t actually discover those laws. It was done by Indians far long ago, Indians from the Indian subcontinent. But nonetheless, That presentation by Newton gave rise to a view of a universe, which is mechanistically highly ordered, that there’s nothing you can do that.

There’s a central force that keeps us planets going around and that central and you can predict it. Time can be predicted forward and backward, but the reality that emerges from that is that everything is dictated already. And if you gather enough data, you could figure it out. But more fundamentally.

It brings out down this view that there is top down control. So when you’re in that world, everything is seen as a top down control dictators and the peasants. But the reality is the universe actually is organized. In what is known as self organizing systems. What we see around us is just 1 state of the universe.

The reality is 1 individual and groups of individuals through their raising of their consciousness can fundamentally change the universe. And you can have a state of governance that is far different than dictatorship, either malevolent or benevolent. And there have been cultures long before modern, capitalist culture or feudal culture.

Even in, ancient hunter gatherer societies where they had dispersion of leadership. In fact, it was matriarchal societies and they were self organizing systems. So that’s why, I really don’t want to talk about that because that’s not the governance systems that we’re interested in creating.

We’re interested in creating a governance system where we shattered the swarm and we raise consciousness where we have self organizing systems. We agree that should be the goal. However, our position is that the current system is a form of dictatorship. So if we’re going to choose between an extremely malevolent dictator and a highly benevolent dictator, then better to go with the highly benevolent.

I know what I’m saying is. That very fact of executive orders. These executive orders is unilaterally. Oh, I executive order. This executive order that this is a dictatorship. But here’s what they do it. Yeah, but here’s the 1st, the power. No, but you’re still stuck in this world view of dictatorship and non dictatorship.

There is another worldview, which is what the path that. We’re on, and my life has been about, it’s about shattering the swarm and creating an environment where you build movements and when you build movements, you need to have the force of people coming. Those are not executive orders. Those are the will of the people.

Very different.

Not to belabor the point, we’ll just move on to the next question and meditate what you’ve said for possible future interview. Second, the famously unreliably inaccurate and incorrect Wikipedia notes your name as V. A. Shiva Ayodhya, born December 2nd, 1963. Vela Yapa Ayodhuri Shiva An. What do the different parts of that name mean other than Shiva equals destroyer hyphen creator?

I don’t even know what, I don’t even look at Wikipedia anymore after it’s a racist imperialist organization. So starting around 2014, I don’t even look at it anymore. But I don’t know what Shiva An is. But in the Indian culture that I come from, which actually has history going back all the way to Dravidian times, when there was actually no ownership of, believe it or not, personal property at one time in these ancient cultures, like the Iroquois.

In those cultures, when you didn’t have ownership of property, you didn’t have a last name. Think about what I’m saying. You didn’t have the concept of last name. And this is typically the artifact is left in South India. So if you look at your name X and someone asks you, what’s your name?

You would say, my name is VAX. And what is VAX? X is your first name. And that means you originate from your great grandfather’s first name and your father’s first name. So you didn’t have the concept of last name. So my great my grandfather’s first name is actually my dad’s first name. When we came to the United States, we needed a last name.

So we took my dad’s first name and made it my last name. But it traditionally would just be V. A. Shiva. It’d be no different than saying, my name is, sunshine or sunlight or whatever you want to call it, or Geronimo in the American Indian culture. The concept is the last name concept was created when feudal culture created property, the concept of ownership.

There was, personal property, but private property did not exist until, you had the advance of or advent of the plow, domestication of animals when you started creating land. And someone said, this is my land. But there are periods, there were cultures, which didn’t have that. So my, official name in the Indian cultures, V.

A. Shiva, Ayodhya became a last name that I had to add because when we came to the United States, they needed a last name. So it’s hard for my dad because his name is Ayodhya. So he had Ayodhya, and he shortened his first name to be Duray. When immigrants go to other countries, this happens to many, immigrants who came from Italy or Ireland, they had to change their name.

But I don’t know what the hell Wikipedia says. I don’t really care what Wikipedia says. Wikipedia should be completely blown up because they support, they are essentially the establishment, and they are creating false histories. And moreover, they’re driven by absolute racism. We agree.

Wikipedia should be blown up or taken full control of. Yeah, and the interesting thing is ChatGPT uses Wikipedia, right? So it’s one moron telling another moron what to do. So the whole thing is one incestuous pool of shit. Or change the programming code so that it truly does reflect. And that’s only going to happen when working people sees the means of production.

What we were actually asking you, we refer to Wikipedia because the source of the name that we saw, what we’re actually asking is, have you ever done a search of the original root meaning, the Vela, Yapa, however it’s pronounced, what does it mean? And are you fulfilling or at odds with the, your own namesake?

I can tell you re so re means great leader. Believe it or not. That’s what the name comes from. There you go. Yeah. Means, a father who’s a good father, a pure father. That’s what that means. So well, I would say fulfilling it. You could be the good father, great leader, and yeah.

Creator. Destroyer. And destroyer. Yeah. Shiva one needs to understand, when you go back. And you look at Tamil is a language that I was brought up on. It is the oldest language on the planet. It’s closer, believe it or not, to finish closer to the non Indo Purin languages than Sanskrit.

So Tamil is of the Dravidian people. The original people of India before the Aryan invasion took over Sanskrit is actually closer to Latin and Greek. It’s quite fascinating or German. In India, when people immediately think of Sanskrit and they think, oh, Sanskrit is ancient language. No, there’s much farther, much more ancient language than that.

And that’s Tamil. And that’s the language I was brought up on. Now, in Tamil, Shiva comes from Shavapu, which means Light, which means, sun, the sun God. So that’s one origin of it. Shiva, the deity that you see as a destroyer with the snake around his neck with the trident he represents the Trinity the destroyer, the preserver, as well as a creator.

It’s all in one, but in one, one aspect, Shiva takes a role of destroyer with his trident. He’s pierces darkness to let in the light. So it’s piercing ignorance. That’s what Shiva ultimately means in destroying evil, which is the same thing. Excellent. Where were there various predictive systems that are ancient, including the Ayurvedic astrological system?

We forget the precise name for it. Have you ever studied any of that to consider the significance, if it is your accurate birth date? December 2nd, 1963. Insofar as significance regarding your fate, future destiny path, Dharma, your thoughts. Yeah, look, I have, I, as some of you may know, I grew up in an India where my there’s this caste system, but I grew up in a very I don’t want to use the word spiritual, but a very interesting family.

That was very connected to things beyond this world. And give you an example. My great grandfather, I remember very vividly incredible man. He was 93 years old. He’d be working out in the fields. Now he came as a, he was an indentured servant, a slave. At the age of 12, he was taken into essentially slavery as an indentured servitude, and he went to Burma.

And because of the hard work he did, the captain of the slave ship let him go. But in Burma, which was known in the late, even now, as a land of two things, Buddhism and cobras. But Burma, which is now known as Myanmar, that’s where my great grandfather grew up, and then he had his son there, which was my grandfather and my father.

And so in Burma, My grandfather was extremely hardworking, very enterprising, but he also was became a deep shaman yogi. I’m not sure what you want to call him, but he wasn’t these guys who went off to the ashram and sat under a tree and meditated. He worked, full time as a worker, but he had learned some of these ancient arts.

Some from these yogis, by the way, our Veda is more the recent form of, Medicine, the ancient system of medicine in the subcontinent was known as SIDDA, S I D H A, and it’s fascinating because SIDDA existed long before Ayurveda, and unfortunately, the the preeminence of SIDDA was subsumed by Ayurveda because of the Aryan invasion that took place, and we can have a longer discussion about this, but SIDDA was what my great grandfather was, he was a SIDDER, and so he did some quite incredible feats, he would do penances he would do what you would call miracles.

My father, when he was, by the time my dad was around five years old, my mother, my grandmother only had one son, which is my father. And in those days, a woman was supposed to be very quote unquote productive and have many children. So they were going to marry my grandfather, this is in Burma, to another woman.

To have more children. It’s unfortunate. So obviously my grandmother, my dad were quite upset. So my dad went to all these Buddhist monasteries in Burma as a kid, wanting to pray that he would have another brother. So his father would not leave them. So anyway, my dad met this what he describes as this Buddhist priest of the most eminent light.

And he gave my dad a mantra, which is a mantra, which is a word that you repeat and taught him to meditate at the age of five. And he said, don’t worry on this date, you will have a brother born to you. And that was my uncle, who’s also named Shiva, who was born, interestingly enough, on my exact same birthday 25 years before me.

So my dad continued to meditate by the time he was 12. He was also giving, which is holy ash and healing people. And my grandparents got quite concerned that my dad would become a yogi and leave them or guru. So they stopped him from doing that. I had that phenomenon.

My father, my great grandfather, my. When they came back to Burma after my great grandfather passed, they say that or that spiritual gifts passed to my grandmother. And so she was a village shaman. She could observe your face. She could predict what was going on. She could. Do all sorts of these wonderful things.

And I grew up under all of this, people’s channeling spirits, my great grandfather it was just seen as a normal thing. So yes I’ve had many opportunities to consider the origin, why I’m here and all those kinds of things, but ultimately comes down to one thing, which is you can have all these things in the stars, but ultimately comes down to what you do today, here and now.

It’s no different than people thinking that. Oh, I was given all this. Therefore, I’m going to get all this. But I always grew up in an environment realizing no matter what the stars said or what cut him a quote unquote karma, which is a very wrong way of using it that you still have to do the works in this world.

What matters is what you do here. And now not what birth lottery you got or what’s written in the stars. So I give very little credence to that, even though people have made all sorts of, very kind and wonderful types of projections. That’s why I was born. But ultimately, this is about what you do.

I asked a lot of friends of mine who are Christians. I said, I asked them if I’ll ask him, hey, is heaven the perfect place to be? They’ll say, yes, everything’s perfect there. So you believe in heaven. Yes. Then I’ll ask him if that’s so true, what happened to Lucifer? Lucifer was in this wonderful place called heaven and he wants to overthrow God.

So obviously he must have had some ill will and evilness within him. And the conclusion that, and Christians don’t know what to say. When I say that the reality is it’s about consciousness. More importantly, Your consciousness can go up or can go down. Every one of us is prone to for great goodness or great evil.

It depends on what you do here and now, your deeds, not what is written in the stars. So are you saying that you are fulfilling what your birth date predicts? I’m fulfilling. Are you saying it’s irrelevant? I’m sorry. It’s irrelevant. The stars could say I’m going to be a great leader or this or that, but I could also end up becoming a total scumbag.

It’s irrelevant. It’s based on what deeds you do here and now. And you can see this in a very different way. People are born into these very illustrious homes with lots of wealth and they have everything. And they completely continue to rob people. Look at the Kennedy’s look at Trump. Look at all these people.

They’re born into immense wealth, but they just want to get more wealth. It’s not like they become benevolent, good human beings. They become even greater scumbags. And of course the deeper question is, can they help it? Is it in their genes? Is it in the stars in any case moving? Yeah, we can ask, answer that.

But very briefly, I think, after a certain point in life you have great choice. And we know epigenetics is there. So if we say it is in their genes, And we’re letting people get away with murder. And if they’re such horrible people in us and their genes, they probably shouldn’t exist on this planet.

Anyway, we should, they shouldn’t be part of at least our community, if they want to cause so much devastation and it’s our duty to, get rid of these people. Part of your path was to create email, which makes. Everyone on the planet virtually, I would say approximately 80 to 95 percent of used email at some point.

So it makes all of us intimately connected with you. And so it’s ironic that connection is becoming more obvious. And that’s what I have in mind when I asked this question, which is what would the maximum price? B to so called prosecute the word you use for a patent being that you Say it currently costs a hundred thousand dollars.

So it bars the average Working class individual. What should the maximum price be instead of a hundred thousand? Should it be a hundred dollars ten dollars and then we’ll move to the next issue connected to email your thoughts so the founders we have to go the u. s patent system was quite visionary when the founders created it You The founders knew that the strength of an economy is related to directly related to ideas.

What do I mean by that? So an economy grows and it hits a certain point where the economy leads to ideas. And then these ideas, if the economic system supports it will lead to a whole different kind of economic system, right? Because ideas Lend themselves into massive change. You create more humans, right?

Population increases from those ideas and those people create new ideas. So the idea was, it’s like a flower blooming and blooming, right? So an economic system that where you incent new ideas and the conversion of those ideas to things that advance humanity is a very powerful system. So the founders had this very deep concept about this.

So they wanted to create a patent system. And the goal of the patent system was that you as a human being who comes out of society to incentivize you to become a creator, co creator and when you created something, they said, okay, when you make something, you’re going to get 20 years ownership of that.

That was a patent system. And for 20 years, you could reap all the rewards of your creation through royalties. And after the 20 years, it goes to society, which is quite pretty cool, right? So you get to make money and then you get to transfer it to other people. They never envisioned that you would need, massive number of lawyers that you would create a patent agency system.

By the way, the patent agents and the patent officer incentivize to do what’s called a triple header, reject a patent, then accept it. And at every time you apply, you have to pay filing fees and you have to pay more filing fees and more filing fees. So there’s an incentive in the patent office to make money off filing, even though you may have a legitimate patent, they make you, they reject and accept it.

This is a normal practice that they do. It’s a game. When you look at that, the real issue is where is the work going in for the patent? First of all, the patent agents are being paid by our tax dollars. We’re already paying for them. Why should there be any cost now? You could argue that you don’t want people filing stupid patents for all sorts of crap and wasting people’s time, right?

Because someone’s got to prosecute those. In my view, what should happen is when you file a patent. Right at the 1st phase, they do what’s called very basic searches, prior art searches. Did it exist before? And my views that basic qualification, the cost of searching should be no more than a couple 100 bucks.

You say, because most of the work is done in drafting the patent, and then the searching to whether it existed, whether it violate some existing claims. I think that should be a nominal charge once it makes it after that. It should be essentially the cost of the, amount of hours that the patent office went into doing this, because, and we know that this should be publicly available information because these people are U.

S. patent agents paid by our tax dollars. So I think this should just be cost based except for some nominal fee up front, whatever that is, a couple hundred bucks, at most. And many of these things, by the way, can be automated. Also, if you want to use technology the right way, you could. Pretty much automate some of these things in a much cheaper way to help figure out those inventions that are real or not, or have been done before.

So that’s from that standpoint.

The short answer is as POTUS, you would find ways to minimize the cost. Yeah. The other thing I would do is what’s happening right now. Is if you remember about 10 years ago, there were these people called patent trolls. Have you ever heard of them? Patent trolls? No. So what patent trolls were, there’s a guy called Lemelson.

He was a guy who actually came out of MIT and what he would do is he would go study which way a company. Research was going and he will just, you would just file thousands of patents, none of them he ever created, none of them, he ever had any intention of creating, but he would just file these patents and then the company, he would troll the companies they would have, and then he would sue them if they went anywhere near his patents, you say, but he wasn’t really producing anything of value.

He was just. Grifting on the patent system to make money. So when, and this has occurred all over, you, I remember many years ago, we got an email from a patent for all saying, oh, you’re using hyperlinks. We’re the ones who created hyperlinks on the Internet, right? Many large companies don’t want to deal with the nuisance lawsuits.

So just pay these guys 5 or 10 grand. So what The end. Existence of patent trolls did was big companies went and lobbied to Congress and they said, we should get rid of the patent system and we should make everything trade secrets. What trade secrets mean is that when you go, if you’re, if you accidentally or happen to go visit Google and you blur, blurted out an idea of yours and you’re in the cafeteria, they own it.

Okay. So the large companies want to move Intellectual property production into trade secrets, so they will own everything because that’s my trade secret. And on top of that. With their collusion with the patent office, they made it so difficult for small people to get patents through of the amount of money you need.

This racketeering must stop. And so that’s why I believe the trade secret model. We need to make sure that does not get subsumed. By, what was a patent system, which was really to support young and small innovators. Both things need to happen. Disclaimer, the questions we’re asking is from a script that was not a final draft.

Hence, it may come out somewhat confusing or contrary to our intent. So feel free to challenge it or whatever. In any case. If you could, as POTUS, and would, being that we predict you will be POTUS or one of your disciples, given time, if you could and would change the patent system, would you be able to, and is it your intent, to retroactively somehow get a patent for the invention of email so that all email use Would somehow produce a revenue stream that could further empower this truth, freedom, health movement.

If so, how much money could be made? Yeah, that’s a good question. Where does the Hey Ken, could you get a copy of the copyright? Ken Fielding? Maybe Ken can get it. Look, so let’s go back to this. Very interesting question. So the question really brings up this very fundamental issue. Why was I not able to patent email in 1978?

It’s a very important question. Because the morons who run the swarm who are in the establishment are frankly dumbfucks who don’t even understand what’s going on in the world. They’re always 20 to 30 years behind. So let me explain what I mean by that. In 1978, Okay. When I was writing software to create email, invent email, you have to understand in 1978.

How could you protect software? The Congress of the United States didn’t even know what software was. I remember coming to MIT in 1981. My mechanical engineering professor said, Oh, you’re just typing on the computer because you can see Software people thought diminishes its value. They just thought it was something you were writing, right?

Like writing a book or you’re writing a play or you’re writing a movie script. Okay. They didn’t know what software was. It’s quite fascinating. But software really was a digital machine. You’re putting code together. You were creating something. In silico on the computer, but no one knew what software or we knew what software was.

I was a 14 year old kid did, but people in Congress had no idea. So 1978, what were the laws to protect intellectual property? You had patents for physical devices, things you could see. Oh, I see this micro microphone. I could protect that. I see this iPhone didn’t exist then, but a phone, right? But they couldn’t understand the concept of software.

However, in 1976. You had the Copyright Act of 1976, which could protect movies, plays, script, et cetera. All right. Now, remember, I was, I had no interest. I didn’t even know what intellectual property was. I was 14. I was very excited that this medical school allowed a 14 year old kid taught, treated me as an equal among people were 30, 40 years older than me and I was given access to computers and I could solve a real problem.

I could create the electronic version of the inner office mail system. In its, digital form or create the paper version of the electronic paper version of the inner office mail system inbox outbox folders BCC in its electronic form. That’s what I created. And that’s email. I was more excited.

I was didn’t even hide any of my work. We I shared it openly. IBM Hewlett Packard came to our labs and saw it. It was more excitement in creating this. It was not until. In 1980, I won one of the Westinghouse Science Awards, which was called The Baby Nobles for the Creation of Email. And in 1981, I came to MIT.

When I arrived at MIT in September of 1981, the front page of the MIT newspaper heralded three of its 1000 graduates. Who had done something of note, and I was one of the people my work was mentioned there having invented the first email system. Now, again being brought up to be an unfortunately over humble Indian kid, I said, Oh, that’s pretty cool.

They’re recognizing me. That year I was elected student body president. And I was invited to the president of MIT’s home for Christmas. I was in December of 1981. And the president at that time was Paul Gray. Paul Gray was also on the white house science council to Ronald Reagan. And he had heard about my inventing email.

And he said, it’s too bad that the it’s too bad that the Supreme court does not understand software patents and they will not recognize them, but he said, you should copyright it. And I didn’t know why he said that, and he explained that in 1980, the year before I came to MIT, two years after I’d invented email, the Copyright Office had extended the 1976 Copyright Act to be used for software, intellectual property protection.

And it was called the Computer Act of 1980. Anyone can look it up. I didn’t have wealthy parents like Bill Gates or lawyers. I wrote away for the copyright papers. In those days, you had to write. There was no PDFs to download. Got the documents, filled it out, I think I was 17 at the time 17, and I had to give all my code it went into the copyright office and back and forth we went a couple of times on, then on August 30th, 1982, I was awarded the first United States copyright recognizing me as the inventor of email.

The unfortunate thing is copyright is only for the explicit code, right? Here’s a book called Arts on the Internet, and, this is copyrighted. Now, someone could theoretically call another book Arts on the Internet, but if they write words that are different this books, and let’s say the content is even the same, let’s say, even a copy all of this, but they change the words around.

They would have rights. They can essentially steal your work. Copyright doesn’t protect the design. That’s what patents do, but it was not until 1994. The federal court of appeals allowed software patents. I went on after that to get 3 other patents for the analysis of email AI patents, which, by the way, Google chat, all these guys are violating and I can talk more about that.

I can’t talk about some of the legal issues there, but the bottom line is once something becomes prior art, it’s disclosed. According to patent law, you cannot go patent something that’s out in the public. Where I had, I’ve been able to patent software, I’d be a gazillionaire. And this is, I think some of the biases because people say, Oh, if you invented email, where’s all your money?

I made money other ways. But they need to understand at that time, that was the only way to protect software. And once I made my stuff public patent law, doesn’t let you patent something that you’ve that’s already I’ve made public, right? So for example, you have to be very careful. That if you create something and you write it in text and you do a video on it on the Internet, and then you want to go patent it, the patent office will say, hey, your video is already out there.

It’s already, you’ve disclosed it. So that’s the unfortunate thing about the timing of when patents came and the Congress getting their head out of their ass for the courts. Getting their head or their ass really understanding what software is. So 1994 software was deemed to be a digital machine, a machine.

I’ll be a digital that you can see. And then you could patent software programs.

So it sounds like you’re saying it’s impossible at this point. However, an associate once said, we believe accurately what 1 lawyer can do. Another lawyer can undo. Yeah, yeah, there are some very interesting angles. I’ve explored. These is there is the fact. That there’s some interesting laws, this gets into a lot of intellectual property protection laws that certain software copyright should be given design.

It’s a longer discussion, but it’s a whole body of law. The sunny Bono act. The singer extended copyright protection to 75 years plus the life of the inventor or the creator. So you get a little bit of longer protection, but copyright protects a literal work. Okay.

We’re just going to ask several questions and you’ll pull out the relevance and the intellect or intelligence or lack thereof. Let’s just spit this out quickly. If you could make a. All the money by retroactively claiming and having patent control of email. How much could that potentially be? I. e.

Have others profited by so called stealing your hyphen that invention of email by actually appropriating the code? That you disclosed in order to get the copyright. Look Edison made, when you have patent protection, you get design protection. They don’t have to copy exactly the exact, if you put stuff together and they put stuff together, but using, let’s say different material, you still get protection with software.

Someone could literally take what I wrote, which by the way, was fully disclosed in the library of Congress. concepts. Inbox outbox da. And then redo it in another programming language. The copyright protection doesn’t protect that unfortunately, right? But in the world of physical stuff, it would get protected.

So that’s why patent protection is important. Now relative to how much money I could make, you can look at the people profited by this Gmail hotmail, right? Go down the list all you could look at anything that has that structure of inbox outbox. You All these email companies would be all paying me at least from, the time it invented.

Let’s say I patented in 1981. It’ll be for 20 years until 2001. So you can look at when email. Remember email was A office application. You don’t need the Internet for that up until 1993 between 1993 and 2001. That’s when the email volume took off in 1997 email volume over to postal mail volume. So you’re talking about, at this point, trillions of pieces of mail.

And if you even consider during that period, you’re looking at hundreds of billions of a piece of mail and assume you’re getting a penny a piece of mail. So you’re looking at least, billions of dollars. So you’re looking at, if you got that money when you’re 1993 to 1997, let’s say several billion, and now you apply just a simple interest rate, you’re looking at probably me becoming one of the wealthiest people on the planet, if not the wealthiest person on the planet, period.

It was said in a public broadcasting system documentary approximately 20 to 30 years ago that the killer out location. Was email. Yeah, and I wrote a book called email revolution. It’s interesting by that. I mean by that I mean it was the reason people wanted to get on the internet Wanted to get a computer wanted to become wired it was email exactly Yep and people need to understand this that this was done by the 14 year old version of me before I came to MIT and Credit should be given where it’s due But those in the swarm are so afraid to give credit because it’ll shatter them.

I was just at this computer store called micro center. And all around, they’re putting big pictures of great inventors and they leave out email on purpose. It’s quite fascinating. Walter Isaacson, another liberal scumbag elitist, writes a book called the innovators of the digital revolution in 2014, when the manufactured controversy was created against me.

And he leaves out email out of his book. All white people, in fact, white women, and I have nothing against white people. But the point is. The elites want to separate us and have us fighting among each other, but giving one person or one group of people some sense of superiority. But the bottom line is email was invented before I came to M.

I. T. And that’s what the real story is. The real story is why was even a controversy created manufactured and everyone needs to reflect on. Wow. Email was done by a 14 year old kid in Newark, New Jersey. Long before M. I. T. Even after he came to M. I. T. You say he invented many other things. And this herein lies a very powerful opportunity for people to really reveal that those in power want to make all of us, not just me, all of us second class citizens, because everything must come from their bastions of power.

It cannot come from us, because if it comes from us bottoms up, it actually exposes the fact that they’re basically, not who they say they are. And they have to completely manufacture a false history that all great inventions, the brain trust is from them. And that’s what’s powerful about the story of email.

It completely exposes that, but to your point, email was the killer app, is the killer app. Since the invention of email, every year people say, Oh, email is going to die. Email is going to die. Chat is going to take over it. Social media is going to take over it. It’s stupid. Email is the reflection of business communications.

And email is here to stay forever. And in a wall street journal article for the 125th issue, they asked me, what is the future of email? I said, what will happen is we’re going to go full circle. Just like the secretaries would do all of that work. We will have AI bots, but you’ll still use email. They’ll probably help you craft email.

They’ll help you do it better and those kinds of things. But. Email as a communication medium is here to stay for a very long time before we ask the next question. Just as a disclaimer, our position is, if no one can prove otherwise, and no one has to this date that they created the code for the full inbox outbox etc, that you should be able to.

Profit somehow either you individually or a foundation for every single email that’s sent. I agree And that it should fund and that it should fund public works projects that continually disempower those who would strive to be the neo future swarm and to continually empower the opposite which is everyone Can be a creator?

and Decentralized, truly holistic humanitarian system. It would be awesome if email could be continually funding that. Definitely, I agree with you. And that’s good. Having expressed that intent, here’s the question you had an issue with in a prior discussion. Number seven. Are you still there? Yeah, go ahead.

Number seven was, can you truly say, I may not have written this correctly, contrary to my intent, can you truly say someone stole your invention of email, the code, given that others would have eventually done it anyway, i. e. following the inter office mail system within Outboxes, i. e. if the code they wrote is not actually pirating The original 50, 000 lines of code and or that code cannot run on today’s computers a different operating system as is probably or possibly as a technologist, you would know whether it’s incompatible with different operating systems.

Yeah. So your question is not understanding. It’s contradictory to what we just discussed. Okay, here’s the bottom line. Okay. Go back to understanding this very important reality. You are assuming that email and the construction of software is the same as writing a book. Okay. Now, if I write a book, every word and, in a particular language.

And someone just wholesale copies a book, right? That would be your defining copying. Oh, that’s bad. That’s copying. But. When you write software, which copy, which copyright does not protect. It’s the ideas, it’s the design, the concepts. Okay. When you go look at a patent for an iPhone, you’re not patenting the exact.

Software in the, you’re not patenting the manuals in a certain language. You’re patenting the ideas, the concepts. The architecture, the structure. Okay. That’s what patents protect. That’s what I created the inbox, the outbox of folders in electronic form. Had patent protection been there, I’d be getting, it’d be a gazillionaire among gazillionaires.

So you need to understand that you are misapplying and I’m not sure what the intention of doing that is. And maybe you didn’t maybe had we had this conversation before is that you’re applying copyright law copying to patents. Okay. The point here is that software as a digital machine should have been allowed to be patent, which is what I created.

All right, and because and after 1994 software, you could patent you don’t have to, you’re not. Copying the exact code. If you created a spreadsheet program, which is the concept of cells, which are the concept of doing formulas, that concept can be patented. You follow and you have patent protection prior to 19, 19, 1994.

If someone wrote a certain spreadsheet program, and they’re the 1st creators of the spreadsheet, someone could copy their code and change 1, 5 and they would be and they and but still that’s that’s violation, right? Because. The, because the laws weren’t set up, that’s inappropriate. Moreover, here’s the bottom line.

This is like saying, Oh, someone would have created the light bulb. Someone would have created that. Therefore the guy who did create it first should not get credit. It’s absolutely nonsense, right? The reality is I busted my ass as a 14 year old kid stayed awake until two in the morning and I was the one who first created it.

Sure. Someone would have created. The light bulb, someone would have created the airplane. Someone would have created an iPhone. If whoever didn’t do it 1st, but the issue is, there was 1 person who did it 1st and the founders and the concept is you have to give credit where it’s due. So I find it fascinating that people and don’t take this the wrong way.

Ask these kinds of questions. When the receipts that I have are so numerous, I have all the code it’s in the Smithsonian. I have the proof. I did it. I’ve won awards. Do I have to be a white skin guy with a Zionist last name with blue hairs and blonde eyes to get credit complete? Not unquestionable credit.

No one asked Bill Gates. Show me the code. Did you create DOS, which he didn’t, by the way. No one goes, asks. Steve Jobs, show me that you actually created the iPhone. Why not? But I’m put under the most strictest scrutiny in spite of all the data that I put out there. Oh, would you, should you get credit if someone else would have copied it after you?

It’s a stupid question. I’m sorry. Don’t take this the wrong way. But it shows whether you are aware of it or not, or maybe, an inherent bias towards people of color who create stuff. And the scrutiny that they must undergo, but comes from a misunderstanding of the nature of copyright as opposed to patent expression of the idea, not the not mimicking move by move.

Yeah, someone could take this book is copyrighted. If a good example, I can give you is Romeo and Juliet when Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet. Someone else could write Romeo and Juliet or West Side Story, right? Is obviously Romeo and Juliet, right? Titanic. Yeah, or Titanic, right? So was Shakespeare able to patent the concept of people from two different classes, right?

Coming together two different families who were at feud, that concept patent protection would have protected the concept of two characters, male, female, coming from two different feuding families. Who got, got together. So if you’re able to patent that concept the Shakespeare family foundation for 20 years would have received royalties had West side story been written.

Okay. But copyright wasn’t intended for that, right? But digital machines and software, right? You could argue potentially. When people come up with wild new concepts. They should get credit. And this happens in the movie industry where you have a script and if someone, protect, steal certain types of common scripts, there are laws for that.

It seems like if you throw money, more money at it, you can get that. But the point is that I wasn’t creating a script. A script when I wrote email, I wasn’t creating a movie. I wasn’t creating a book. I was creating a digital machine and because what I was doing was so far ahead of what the people in Congress knew I’m the one who, doesn’t get the monetary reward from it.

And I have to quote unquote, fight for credit from a bunch of racist scumbags. That’s the reality. And you may, by the way, it’s not only race in my case, it’s race and the fact that occur outside of the establishment, Philo Farnsworth was a 14 year old kid who invented TV and patented it even after he patented it.

RCA came and stole it from him and started manufacturing it. And he had to fight them in the courts for 19 years after he won, but he only had one year patent life. Now, in his case, similar conditions to me in the sense he did it on a outside of the military industrial academic establishment in a small farm in Franklin, Idaho, right?

I did it in a small medical college in Newark, New Jersey created email, but I also have to deal with the race issue. So mine’s is a little more difficult because I did it before MIT. And I have to deal with the race issue and I have to deal with the fact that software three levels, you can patent it, you say, but nonetheless, I’m the one who created it.

But the issue is, whether the swarm wants to give me credit or not, the people must broadly recognize this reality that one of their own me before I came to MIT. Is the one who invented email the most important application of our lifetime at this point and credit must be given. But when we give credit in the right way, we’re doing 2 things.

We’re honoring the person who actually did this the work and we’re also honoring the fact that great inventions can occur anytime, any place by anybody. You don’t have to be anointed. Now, the problem they have with me is I did email before I came to MIT. Then I came to MIT, won all their awards. And after they try to take away my invention of email, I’m barking back at them, not like a field slave.

Not like a house slave, but like a field slave, because I’m not on their plantation. And this is what bothers them. What bothers them is that I’m a field nigga and I’m fighting back for what’s rightfully mine. Indians are supposed to say, okay, very good. Very good. I’ll run your companies for you, but I’m not going to fight for what’s rightfully mine.

You say, so that’s what the problem they have is. It’s not only the invention of email that bugs them, that it took place outside of their bastions, but you have someone like me in this body who fights for everyday people also standing up. And I’m not supposed to do that. I’m not being a good Indian.

That’s what really bothers them. To try to bring closure to this issue before moving on to the question of who and should not who or should who and Who should not be in prison imprisoned by the swarm. This is what we’re learning It’s irrelevant that the 50 000 lines of computer code the language called fortran Does not run on other operating systems doesn’t matter whether it does or it doesn’t the issue is that you used computer code to organize a method by which one can Electronically at a distance, had different devices, communicate with one another, mirroring the inter office system of in box, out box, CC, BC.

You reproduced what secretaries had to do with old fashioned typewriters in electronic form. That’s the invention. Yeah. And more importantly, if you look at it it’s the receipts, the documentation is black and white. That’s what it is. Let me just show it to you. I want to show it to everyone here listening.

The document has a whole website and you can see the, all the codes. The code is right there. Here’s the first email system. Here’s all the code where no one else has all this. I wrote it. I’m telling you was my last name Einstein. Okay. Was I born in a white skin? Did I have blue eyes? I’d be on the stamp in every part of the world.

And this is not again about race. It is about race. You can’t ignore. It is not, it would be wrong, but it is fundamentally about the fact that email, we area was created before I came into the swarms bastion, which was MIT. That’s respectfully. Yeah. Respectfully, sir. Dr. Shiva, being that you yourself concede that Farnsworth a white guy was young.

He did TV before, yet they stole it from him. That to us indicates it’s not a race issue. However, it is. No, it is a race issue. It is race. Wait, stop. No stop. It is race. What you have to understand is In my case, there’s many levels of oppression. There’s the oppression of the fact that it was done outside of their bastion.

That itself is very big. You got what I’m saying? If I was even Farnsworth was white. Yeah, but it took, but he’s got a statue of him 60 years later. Okay. In Congress. Yeah. He was finally acknowledged in my case. It’s race And it’s outside of their swarm establishment. Do you understand where Filo Farnsworth and I are similar, both 14 years old.

We did it outside of their bastion, right? But they wrote books and they did movie script because, it was good. It was white guy. But in my case, this is hard because I’m outside of the swarm and you know who the biggest races here are against the invention of email. You know who it is. I believe you’ve said the white intellectuals.

Nope. That’s one liberal white intellectual. I think that’s what you’ve said. It’s Indians. It’s dark, it’s Indians. Indians are racist. They have a colonial mentality. White, working class people say, of course he invented email, they’re my biggest defenders. You’re speaking about the the caste, the, I’m talking about all Indians, most Indians.

Look, British were in India for 300 years, and they sucked the lifeblood of most Indians. They beat the shit out of them and said, you guys are nobody. That’s how they subjugated people, right? 300 years colonialism. And meanwhile, the 200 years before that, they stole everything out of India. It was audio, but the who discovered the orbit, the elliptical orbit of planets.

And there’s so much stuff that was stolen out of India. There were boatloads of gold going out of India. But up until the 1800s, the British were stealing shipbuilding blueprints. It’s all very well documented. But Indians were completely beaten mentally to think they were nobody. And I’m talking to all you Indians out there because Indians became the biggest racists.

You don’t have to, you don’t have to be white to be a white supremacist. Listen to what I’m saying. Most Indians are white supremacists. This may sound, what the hell is he saying? Yes, Indians think the white man is superior to them because that’s what the British did because they stuck their boot way up their butts and Indians started licking their butts after they pulled it out of their ass.

Most Indians, because when the stuff came out that I invented email, the facts, oh, that is not possible. Indians don’t create anything. Fucking idiots. Because Indians are the biggest racist towards themselves. This is why if you go talk to major companies, when they, or colonialists, when they go into a country.

Particularly a dark skin country. They find one of the darkies there and they appoint them as leaders to impose their will on the other darkies. White people may not understand this dynamic very carefully, but the real oppressors are the dark people among the dark people. In fact, they abuse the dark, the darky abuses, the dark person.

Much more than the white person did. It’s like the house slave will abuse a field slave. All right. And white people need to understand this dynamic. So the biggest white supremacists are actually the darkies who want to stay on the plantation. Most Indians want to suck British cock, like Zionist cock, and they are the biggest no.

An Indian could not have created email. It was that guy with a beard. Fucking idiot. The facts are right there. Why don’t you want to listen to it? Because you’ve been fucking brainwashed. I hope you understand this. Indians in India. And you have to look at it right now. Why is it every major tech companies run by Indians?

A lot of them, because this is no different than 300 years ago in colonialism. When the British came to India, they had a bunch of darkies that they appointed to subjugate the darkies of India after they stole their wealth. Now the same Indian darkies are running most of the tech companies. It’s neocolonialism because A vast majority of Indians are house slaves.

They believe they’re less than the white man and they will serve them. Most Indians are absolutely fine with censorship. They’re fine just following the man. And so if you’re an Indian, you’re listening to me, you know what I’m talking about. That’s what the reality is. The real white supremacists are Indians.

Dr. Shiva, you’re preaching to the choir. We would be very happy. That’s not maybe to you, not to the audience. We here at Matrixist Warrior Chronicles would be delighted, we would jump for joy, if you and or a disciple of yours became president. However, what we are positioned personally as a group, us, we think what it ultimately comes down, the reason they don’t want to give you the credit, the reason they attack you is because of power, profit, and control.

They don’t want to give you the gazillions of dollars that they would have to pay you because even those, all those people that have used email, if you didn’t pay for the email itself, you were paying for the internet service provider on a monthly basis. That’s a lot of money that would have to be returned in order to tap into the killer application of email.

So ultimately, and the problem was racist. You have to either find some documentation or read the mind of someone to know whether they have a religious issue with you, a political issue or a racial issue that’s a challenge and indirectly. No, stop. You’re wrong. Okay. Cause you haven’t walked in my shoes.

You don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to this. Race and capitalism, racism and sexism are the pillars of capitalism. You got to understand this because you’re just talking theoretically, right? I’m asking. No. You got to stop and listen because you made some commentary.

That is absolutely false. And it’s something that needs to be corrected. Racism and sexism have been used by the forces of power, profit, and control to maximize power, profit, and control. Let me tell you what I mean by that. If you have a factory and you have black workers and white workers and women and men, there’s a reason that they use racism.

Racism was used where they pay the white people a little bit more than the black guys or the dark guys. So they’d have the black guys fighting the white guys. And women were paid a little bit less than the men. So they had women, the genders fighting each other and black and white fighting each other.

The person who got paid that 2, 10 less, the black guy did feel the racism. All right. So you got to get out of this white set mindset. They all, it’s just, money. It is money. It is, but there is also racism. You see it’s this and that. And I know because I’ve had to experience both.

So you have to understand. Yes. I agree with you that it is that, and it is racism is going to end when white people call out the white racist. Let me listen to what I’m saying is this for far too long. This is the way and it’s very important to understand this white people need to call out white supremacy, because what’s happened is black people and white people are pitted against each other.

And the only way out of racism in this model is that white people have to recognize it is the liberal white elites. And now it’s the multiracial elites who have created this environment. So Trump takes advantage of this. Trump acts like he’s a fighter for the white person against immigrants, blah, blah, blah.

Okay. That’s all the way. That’s a ruse. The realities, there is racism. There is sexism, but both exist. To support power profit control. My dad first came to the United States, hardworking engineer. He got paid 1 3rd of his white counterpart. Why? Because they wanted to build this dialectic and you need to understand this.

There is racism, there is sexism and on top of that, the elites create that to serve the. Forces of power, profit and control. This is why you have bourgeois blacks running around talking about racism, but when they get into power, they’re fine. The reality is that this ultimately affects a vast majority of working people to pit them fighting each other.

There is both. They have to make white people feel like, oh, we’re the only great inventors darkies can invent. And what it does is it puts us fighting each other. It is very important that white people recognize, you know what? That darkie did invent email. And you’re not going to pit me against my fellow brother.

This is what needs to happen. Dr. Shiva, do not misunderstand. We do agree there is racism, there is sexism, and what we would even call religion ism. Our religion is better than your religion. There’s all of that. What we’re saying is that it can be challenging to know what is the thought of a specific individual.

As to what’s motivating. Is it just the money, the power, the profit control? Or do they also as an individual think my religion is better? My race is better. This is a longer, this is a longer thing because these brainwashing ideas over time affect everyone. I just shared with you that. The average Indian does not think any Indian created anything.

They’ve been brainwashed. They’re the biggest racist. You say it is a constant process of continual injection of brainwashing. And this is what goes on. Racism is a tool of the elites. It is not, it is something that is imposed on everyday people to create superiorities, to create differences, but nonetheless.

That racism is imposed on people, sexism imposed on people saying one religion is better than another communalism in India politician, or even in the United States. You have a Jewish politician go among the Jews and say, oh, the Catholic say you are Catholic politician going Catholic said, did you say.

So they use racism. Racism is a very powerful weapon. And the only way it ends is all of us admonishing it and viciously fighting against it. So if you are whatever race you are, you got to recognize that email was invented by a dark skinned guy in Newark. Newark is predominantly African American.

Most white people are still afraid to go to Newark and New Jersey. You can’t miss that. You can’t miss the fact that I’m in this body. You can’t, oh, there’s no racism. Filo and you were the same. Yeah. Filo and I were the same, but we’re also different. I have to, I’ve always had to deal with two issues that I was really smart and I could execute things and I had to do it.

In the skin, you say I had to deal with both.

We’re going to move on to issue number nine, extending from the prior interview, having to do with who should and should not be in prison. But before asking question nine to close on this email race issue, we will concede that if I were a betting man, I’ll put it that way. If I were a betting man, I would.

bet on the side of you being correct that as a group, as a whole one racial group that has more power, profit and control is acting not just because they want more power, profit and control. It’s because they think their race is better or it’s a little more subtle than that. Not only do they endure, their religion is better.

It’s no. What I’m saying is they’re doing it for even something more Insidious. They’re doing it because they want and you got to listen to this. They want to make sure the race of people that they so if you’re a white elitist, you’re subjugating white working class people. So you go attack someone who invented email, who’s of a different skin color to make the white working class feel good about themselves because you want to control them.

That’s what’s going on. It’s much more deeper than that, because you have to make them feel good that they’re better than these people. And that’s how you keep them controlled. This is very closely related. We want to get into a deep, deeper discussion on Zionism and why the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

The Zionists love the Nazis because the more the Nazis. attack the Jews, they could win more Jews over to their crazy nonsense. Okay. So it’s a very interesting contradictory phenomenon, but they control their own race. Because they’re also subjugating white people, right? Bill Gates subjugates white people.

Hillary Clinton subjugates white people. Donald Trump subjugates white people. So he’s got to make them feel good. How do you make them feel good? As he’s sticking, the rod up their ass? He’s saying, Oh, the blacks can’t invent anything. The brown people, you’re the best race. So he makes it about race.

To make his constituency, his fake constituency feel good. That’s what this is about. This is not about racism. It’s about using race to advance your own power, profit control. They hate more white people as much as they hate poor black people. Then we agree because that’s what I was saying.

They use it as the excuse. Religion is used as an excuse politics, as an excuse race, as an excuse. And they may may even believe their own lies. This is why it becomes preeminent that people actually do call out racism. Like they have to say, they have to articulate this, not pussyfoot around it.

If Dr. Sheba was white, he’d be on the cover of every time magazine. You have to, and a white person needs to say that. And the more they say that they bring, they eliminate this division that they create among black and white. It’s very important issue. Question. Number nine. Why did you if you did shy away from naming the names of all those, the more famous ones who should be pardoned because they are currently incarcerated.

in prison by the swarm. Does that include Julian Assange, exiled Edward Snowden, and all the January Sixers due to the so called fake capital insurrection, and all those who went to prison based on signing a plea bargain, even while knowing they’d be found innocent in a truly fair, hyphen, honest, quick, and speedy trial?

How would you establish someone has But wait a minute, I don’t know what this question is. I’ve never Not named or named people. I was the one who did one of the first biggest protests in Cambridge, to get Julian Assange out. I’m the one who called out Trump on January 6th. I’m the one who said, I pardon everyone.

So I don’t know where this question is coming from. I was speaking purely based on the prior interview, what you were doing the seven, the first seven, seven weeks, we all know who these people are. Yeah, we don’t know every single name of all those people who are there. You can go find it online, but that’s not the point.

The point is I’m the one who ran one of the biggest protests in Kendall square to support Assange’s exit. We just were not aware of that. We’ve seen many parts, part or all of many of your videos. It was, I’m the one who first called out Trump. We had a big bus that was supposed to go down to January 6th, and I saw this guy, Ali Alexander, and I stopped the bus, because I knew something was really fishy.

I went after January 6th or January 7th, and I called out Trump, and I’m the What about Edward Snowden? Look, Edward Snowden, I’m not sure where Snowden is actually coming from. I have to be honest with you on that. There’s something that doesn’t feel right about Snowden to me.

What about the large group of prisoners out there? Who signed a plea bargain saying I’m guilty. And that was only because they were threatened. If you go through a trial, we’re going to give you many more years. Yeah. I’m going to accept less. You said as president, I would pardon all of them.

The more important thing. Is a deeper issue. Here’s the following. You go look at the video that we did exposing Trump. He tells people I’m going to march with you and then he gets going the other way. That entire January 6, in my view, was a honeypot that was set up to find all these people and throw them in jail.

And Trump was part of that. He helped organize that he was wholly part of that. And notice he didn’t pardon anyone when he was still there. He could have pardoned all of them. He pardoned Kushner’s father, who was a blackmailer. He pardoned thugs. He didn’t pardon Assange, but he did, he didn’t pardon those people and he didn’t pardon any of the people who fought for him.

It’s a disgusting human being.

How would you establish someone has been incarcerated based upon trumped up charges, no pun intended? Why not set up authentic courts and declare the current ones null and void, i. e. ask law enforcement, ask POTUS, ask law enforcement, come over to our side. We’re going to change the monetary system. You’ll continue to get paid if you come over to our side.

Those courts over there are not valid. These are the true courts that reflect the will of we, the people. Yeah, it sounds good. Yeah. Look, the bottom line is the judiciary system. When you walk into a court, you’re walking into the 10th century. It’s one of the most backward systems. All of these judges, all these federal judges, all of them should be thrown in jail and impeached.

They don’t serve people anymore. The more important thing is you have to understand that lawyers, who do lawyers work for? And I did a whole video on this lawyers work for the government for the judges. They do not serve you. If you are particular. Look, I just spent all morning. We’re filing, we’re escalating our lawsuit against the government.

So I said, I have to do my own lawsuits, 2 major lawsuits. That I’m doing. I can’t have lawyers do them because the last time we had a lawyer do it, did it as I was winning the lawyer and the judge colluded lawyers work for the judge lawyers work for the government. If it’s ever you versus a government, the lawyers are going to fucking sell you out.

The fundamental issue is how many of you have actually written a lawsuit and actually 1 and represented yourself in federal court. I know very little people I have. So you’re looking at someone who actually does his own lawsuits. We were just down at the post office mailing out, 100 page complaints and summons to Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, it’s 140 page lawsuit.

I do my lawsuits in addition to doing us all this other shit. So you know, I walk the walk. So all of you guys, if you want to learn how to file and you want to walk the walk, let’s see you file some lawsuits against the government on your own. We’ve repeatedly heard the term and are surprised. I’ve not heard you say it.

The technical term officers of the court, the lawyers are effectively a type of cop for the court, working for the court. This whole idea, it’s worse than that. Front of the bar, behind the bar. It’s, yeah, it’s worse than that. . They’re not only working for the government, I’m not gonna say the words you need me to hear, to legitimize myself, to make it feel right.

It’s worse than that though. The lawyer, they’re the government. The lawyers are considered nobility. They have that. All right. They’re worse than that. They actually think they’re better than the rest of us. It’s the vestiges of the founders, a number of them who were lawyers. They didn’t want to completely blow up the entire legal system.

So that’s why they did some reasonable work on the executive branch, reasonable work on the representative body. There’s still issues. But when it came to judicial system, because many of them were lawyers, they didn’t blow it up. The legal system, the judiciary in the United States needs to be completely blown up.

It’s one of the most backward systems on the planet, where your own lawyer never represents you. He’s working for the other side. He’s not working for you. This is an issue that’s somewhat deep. It involves licensure, whether there should even be a license to practice law. Yeah. Horses within law school that involve ethics and morals so that the lawyers, not the lawyers, not being trained to win at all costs and to use the system to manipulate what should happen is the, like you learn algebra, like you learn how to do basic stuff.

Every human being starting at kindergarten should learn how to file a lawsuit, how to fight, this should be like basic bread and butter. The entire legal profession should be eliminated, all of it, and the entire judiciary should be eliminated. It should truly be by your peers, where it’s rotational, by the people, for the people.

Okay? It should always be jury based, that’s selected. There’s no need for judges. I don’t even know why you need judges. I don’t even know why you need lawyers. You present, go back to ancient times. There was a rotating head council. People came and they presented their views. They did it. There’s no lawyer representing you.

There’s no middleman. Why do you need a middleman? I’ll give you an example. We’re filing a very historic lawsuit, not only against CISA but we’re also filing one on the issue of the natural born citizenship issue. And I did, the opposition to the motion to dismiss a friend of mine has had his lawyer for 30 years, who’s on the board of one of the number one law firms.

And he always likes to attack people who do their own lawsuits. He looked at, he goes, this is staggeringly brilliant. I’ve never seen anything like this. The point is that people can learn now. I’m pretty good at doing this. I’ve learned it, but I’m not a lawyer. But I could teach an entire course if I had more time, but every human being should learn how to file their own lawsuits.

We need to eliminate the profession of lawyer. It should be taken away. We should eliminate the need for these judges who get lifetime judgeships. It should be a rotating thing from the citizenry. We agree. Issue question. 10 isn’t so called the. Hey, what I want to do is I have to, I just want to take a couple of minutes because people are I want to let everyone know we are part of doing these interviews is we have to, it would be remiss of me for everyone also supports us.

Just want to take a good quote unquote break. Look, everyone listening. Everything you’re hearing from me. I know a lot of you guys are excited with the sharpness of the answers, the sharpness of the discussion we’re having, you’re not going to get this from any other presidential candidate.

They’re all bought and paid for their own by the swarm. Everyone here listening. It’s good to see all your nice hearts and things, but get off your butt. Go get one of these bumper sticker. It’s an easy way to be an activist. You go to Shiva for president dot com. You order one of them and you put it on the back of your Windshield of your car.

100, 000 people see it. So go do that. This is activism. Go get lawn signs. If you have money, you can donate. But when you donate, go look what I give you. I give you books. I give you courses, et cetera. So go to Shiva for president and support this campaign. Number 2, it’s very important. My mission here.

Is to develop an environment and educational environment where you can become wise and intuitive. You can become leaders. You can understand the nature of all systems. Take a little bit of time and I’m going to just play a video here that everyone understands. That this video will share with you what, why we do what we do and what you can do, become a truth, freedom, and health warrior, because that training will provide you the foundations to shatter the swarm.

There is a wonderful video called shattered the swarm, and I want all of you guys to go watch it because watch it with your families. I’ll put it up here. Shatter S H a T E R the swarm. com. But let me just play this. Quick video for people and I’m just going to go grab some water and I’ll be right back.

Here we go. We have allowed our country to be taken over from within. And the end goal is you will have a homogenized world where we will become slaves. Because there is a condition among the elites that really thinks they’re better than you. Deep down inside them that you don’t deserve the freedoms you have.

They don’t. This reality is what people need to wake up to. And we need to all unite working people. There’s only one movement that can do that. And that is the movement that we started creating here in Massachusetts. The Movement for Truth, Freedom, and Health. Look, I’ve been a student of politics since I was a four year old kid.

Studying revolutionary movements, left wing, right wing. There’s a physics, there’s a nuclear science to destroying the establishment. To build a bridge, you need to understand Newton’s equation. You need to understand the laws of gravity. You need to understand Poisson’s ratio. There is a way to build a revolution.

And that’s why I put this together. My goal is to train an army of truth finders. We don’t need followers like social media. We need leaders, but they need training because the educational system does not teach them history, nothing. So in three hours, that’s what I’ve started doing. That’s the solution. We got to train people first with understanding what a system is, the dynamics of all systems that affect nature.

The second is understanding the interconnection between truth, freedom, and help. Freedom is the ability to move freely, communicate freely, talk freely. Without freedom, you cannot convert ideas, hypothesis into truth, which is science. And without freedom, you can’t really get to truth. And without truth, you make up fake problems and fake solutions, which means you destroy our health.

And without health, which is the infrastructure of us and our body, you can’t fight for freedom. Truth, freedom, health. Third concept is it has to be bottoms up, working people who work uniting. And what the right wing has done is whenever you say working people unite, that must be communist.

Meanwhile, they’ve let the Democrats run unions, which suppress workers. Completely corrupt. But when you look at the arc of American history, it’s been when working people came up. We need to go local. Every solution I’m coming up with is a part of this movement. We’re giving the science, which is the truth, and then we tell people what they can do on the ground.

Like with election fraud, you don’t need to wait for some lawyer. Our goal is to train people to go local. Fight locally. Forget lawyers. Forget politicians. Forget celebrities. You’ve got to learn politics, and there is a science to it. They lock us down, we should be ready to shut them down.

And the fourth part of this principle is the not so obvious establishment. So when you look at a system, there’s always something that disturbs you from getting to your goal. The biggest disturbance is the not so obvious establishment. Which are those people who claim they’re for you. On the left and the right.

The Al Sharptons who tell black people I’m for you. The Tucker Carlsons. Do you think any true anti establishment person will ever be on Fox or CNN? I don’t think so. They both mislead working people back into the establishment. Without this system. solid understanding of political physics and theory, you’re screwed.

You’re going to follow on the left wing, Bernie Sanders, oh he said something, or Robert Kennedy, scumbags. Or you’re going to follow some right wing talk show host. They’re not going to lead us to liberation, it’s us. We’re building a bottoms up movement, and that political physics. It’s a nuclear science of change.

Bottoms up. We have to organize to understand that there is people who talk a good game and then look at what they actually do. Left and right. I’m sorry, Sean Hannity may say some good things, but I don’t see the urgency in his voice to get something done. And it can only come when it’s done. When you weaponize yourself with the right knowledge, you need to be able to identify a rat.

Christ didn’t go after the Romans, right? It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees who screwed him up. His own quote unquote people. And that’s where we’re at. So these four concepts I’ve built into a curriculum. People can go to truthfreedomhelp. com and it’s an educational program. We need to train people in political theory.

You need to have physics. And I’ve created that curriculum. People need to get educated. We need to get educated fast. And within a half an hour, I can teach people two years of MIT control systems. I teach people those concepts. Then I apply it. Anyone can understand it. And then you say, Oh, I got to build a bottoms up movement.

They have to get politically astute, and then they have to go locally and act, not sit there on social media. They have to act locally, defy locally, do civil obedience locally, but with knowledge on how to build a movement. The Senate campaigns expanded to the movement for truth, freedom, and health, and they can find it on truthfreedomhealth.

com. So people can sign in, they can get access to a bunch of videos. If they wanna take a course and become a truth freedom Health leader, I offer a full scholarship there. But we want people to make a commitment that they’ll study, that they’ll get certified, that they’ll go do activities on the ground.

So go to truth freedom

Okay. Where should we start? Continue. Hello? Yes. Yeah, I, can you hear me? Yeah. How about another five minutes?

Yeah, let’s do another.

Sure, that sounds good. At your convenience. In any case, in the prior interview, what you would do in the first seven weeks as poetess, you said everything, if we recall correctly, should be by direct democracy, whether it’s as small as repairing a local pothole to a larger issue. However, this forced us to ask the question how to resolve the following isn’t so called direct democracy Identical to what many have called mobocracy Also known as ruled by the mob and isn’t that anti democratic?

As the that majority May be enlightened fools that want to do things antithetical to freedom such as medical tyranny consensus so called science And anti systems thinking living, i. e. against everything to which we, the people may be opposed or minority of the people. How do we resolve that problem?

There’s a underlying assumption in your theory or in that comment that people will not do what’s advantageous for them. What we really need to understand is that the way democracy is run right now, It is run in a fascist way. People don’t really can even exercise their choices. You have to just step back and look at we have right now.

The representative democracy we have now, the people who represent quote, unquote, represent us, they’re chosen through an electoral process. That itself is completely rigged end to end, because if you look at the vast majority in the United States, at least. 60 percent of people who are eligible to vote don’t even vote upwards of 70 percent in some cases.

So you have a percentage of people, a large percentage of people who don’t even want to participate in this electoral system. And the question is why? These people are actually quite bright people because they know and I’ve experienced it directly is that there’s four levels of this kind of. Fraud that takes place in a quote unquote current bourgeois democratic process, which is they don’t want any outsiders even getting any visibility.

Number 1. This is why we tell people go get us visibility. Get 1 of these bumper stickers. It’s a very powerful way because you’re getting the word out, but they do not want people to get any visibility. That’s how they control who gets on TV. It’s all controlled end to end. That’s really state controlled media right there.

The second is after you get visibility, even on your own, let’s say you guys put all these bumper stickers up, then they want to make sure you can’t get on the ballot, right? So they send the cops out when you’re trying to collect signatures and all these cops, the government is actually working for the Zionist retailers, Walmart, Publix, Meyers.

And we can go down the list. All of these support Zionism. They know I’m anti Zionist. And then they collude with the cops to make sure my people can’t even collect signatures. So they try to stop ballot access. Second level of fraud, then the third is even after you get on the ballot, then what they do is they make sure they don’t want to see me debate anyone because then I’ll destroy them.

So they don’t even want to do real competition, a real market economy, a real marketplace of ideas. And the third thing is, even after you overcome that and you win an election, then they manipulate the voting machines, et cetera. Okay, so the reality is. The existing what you call the existing representative democracy, which is really bourgeois democracy for the elites is itself controlled already by a few vast majority don’t even participate.

And then those who participate. They’re defrauded by giving selections to only a few set of people. So there’s a fraud. So I would far better gamble on a mobocracy than what we have today. Because if you’re telling me, oh, the mob may be against you. Let’s go for it. Let’s go for mobocracy any day over what we have today.

Because I have faith in people, particularly if the mob is armed, if the mob is armed, not only with weapons, but with the knowledge of systems, it’s game set over any day, the probability, our probability of success is much greater in a true mobocracy than it is in a bourgeois democracy. That’s my answer to that.

That’s a great answer. However what about the idea of having a bill of rights that are far more specific than currently exist? In other words, the mob can have the power they want, but only if they do not transgress over certain things. The phrase it’s common. In the libertarian, voluntarist world is individual liberty, personal responsibility.

It’s our position that the Bill of Rights is just so vague. Look, you have to understand, again, the libertarians get a lot of things. Some of the things they get right, but then they go embrace and support Bill. Right here in Massachusetts, right? They’re embracing Kennedy, who’s a cocksucker, a Zionist cocksucker.

Okay. So I’ve lost a lot of respect for libertarians. They talk one thing, but they can’t implement their thing because their practice and their theory doesn’t gel at all. The reality in this model is that. When the bill of rights was created, it was created by bourgeois Democrats. Okay. We have to understand the time we had a time in human history when there was no private property, there was hunter gatherer societies.

With the advent of the plow, with the advent of domestication of animals, we started creating the concept of ownership. We created feudal systems, monarchies, and then with the advent of more technology, we created the capitalist mode of production. These societies where we have a finite set of people own assets and resources, wage, labor, et cetera, and it was supposed to be a market economy that isn’t.

And now people are looking at trying to figure out what to do forward. But what we need to understand is. If you look at the revolution of 1776, it wasn’t a revolution for the people. It was seriously an advanced over feudal systems, but it was a revolution of the emerging merchant class capitalists who were seeing the decline of the feudal system and the emerging merchant class capitalists.

A lot of them lawyers were merchants wanted to demolish this old feudal system. And in order for them to have the firepower to do that, they had to give some bones to the masses. First amendment, second amendment, third amendment, because that’s why those people would fight on behalf of the merchant class against the feudal class.

But there were serious problems even with the early systems that they set up, because it was always designed for the elites. Even then it was a serious advancement over feudal systems, but it wasn’t by any means perfect. So the constitution, the bill of rights. They were created for the merchant class, and we have to understand that it was democracy for the elites, and that was by design.

We are not, by implication, giving any blanket endorsement for any particular worldview, political system, whether it be the libertarians, the anarchists, the voluntarists. Our position is that there are some good ideas in all the systems, and the failure is to, as you’ve talked about. To see the system as a whole and take the best from all to avoid these problems.

What we’re suggesting, as POTUS, a complete systems overhaul, it would be necessary to redo the entire Constitution to Redo the Bill of Rights to clarify, for example, the Bill of Rights should say, Oh, and this includes big tech, not colluding with government, there’s a lot of specifics that look the founder needs to be taught to children, right?

And that, but that is not going to happen. Without a bottoms up movement of working people, understanding the intersection between truth, freedom, health, how you do it and how you fight. And the only force that can do that right now is my running for president and the movement for truth, freedom, health. So to me, this is not theoretical.

We actually have a movement in place and guys like you and others should fully embrace what we’ve created and support it. Because without that movement, we’re not going to be able to get to the point of really rewriting a constitution for the people. The constitution, the Bill of Rights that was written was a constitution about for 30 percent of the people, but was written for 70 percent of the merchant class.

So that needs a major systems overhaul, but that systems overhaul is not going to come from buffet wise, picking the best from here and here. It’s going to come from a bottoms up movement where we, the people determine what’s right for us. And that’s going to come through a self organizing system where we raise people’s consciousness by understanding this dynamics.

Anyway, this was great. I was hoping, I have to get going to another meeting. We’ve been on for about an hour and a half. We can definitely do it. But these are great questions. I appreciate him. Thank you. Can we do a final question? Sure. Have you had a chance to look at the second to most recent article on our matrices dot sub stack dot com where we give you a whole slew of ideas on how to embrace the Oh, you’re not a natural born says embrace and say, Oh, I am.

And here’s all the evidence. all the jurisprudence, all of the history. Yeah. Yeah. So what we have is on that point, we’ll be putting up the lawsuit that the opposition that we just filed in the opposition, Merrick Garland and the attorney generals are freaking out because we have them by the short hairs.

Because not have we only argued the fact a, the state governments have no right to disqualify me on any constitutional grounds. They can only talk about signatures, et cetera. Number 1. Number two, the other thing is that we have standing because we’re running an actual bona fide campaign. There was a guy 12 years ago, guy called Hassan who was fighting this in the courts, but it was theoretical.

You see the founders, they got one thing right. They wanted movements coming bottoms up. They didn’t want people just randomly filing. Theoretical lawsuits debating random things, even though they can be truthful or not. They wanted these movements coming bottoms up. Anyway. I’d like to talk about that later because I have to get going, but it’s great speaking with you again.

Let’s pursue that on our next call. Thank you. Dr.

Be well. Thank you. We’ll reconnect again, but we should do a follow up. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So to all of you, I hope that was valuable. I hope it gives you really an idea. Of where our campaign is coming from, how we think about things as I leave. I want to ask all of you to go to Shiva numeral for president.

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It’s something we’ve made it very easy for you to get bumper stickers, lawn signs, you don’t have to do all the hard work that I do. And our volunteers do you get to. Participate in a much more easier way in the midst of your busy lives. So go support our campaign, get involved, put your money, your time, where your mouth is, don’t waste it with others.

And you will learn a lot. Be well, be the light. Let me play this video, get involved in our campaign. Who would have ever thought I’d be running for president of the United States of America. I was born a low caste, untouchable and India’s caste system, a system of aristocracy, oppression, and racism. My name is Dr.

Shiva Iyadurai. I’m an MIT PhD, a Fulbright Scholar, a Scientist, Engineer, Entrepreneur, and Inventor. My family and I left India to come to America on my 7th birthday. I grew up in the working class neighborhoods of New Jersey. Playing baseball, mowing lawns, painting houses and coding software. My friends and neighbors are blacks, Italians, Irish, people of all races.

As a 14 year old, I wrote 50, 000 lines of software code to create the world’s first email system, and was awarded the first U. S. copyright for email, recognizing me as its official inventor, at a time when copyright was the only way to protect software inventions. I did that long before I ever came to MIT.

Revealing that big innovations can occur anytime, anyplace, by anybody. Growing up I saw politicians dividing us by race and religion, in both America and India. To have us fighting each other while they remained safe in their gated communities, and in their playgrounds of Hollywood Martha’s Vineyard and Silicon Valley.

I’m a fighter, I fought racism, and exposed their imperialist wars. Fought for workers and put my life on the line against global corruption. I never wanted to run for political office, all that changed when I saw working Americans, as never before being duped by the establishment, and the not so obvious establishment, across left and right, we were being sold out and made to forget, why we came to America, and why America existed, lawyers academics billionaires celebrities and politicians, elites, Clintons Kennedys Bidens Obamas Bushes, Black and white have hijacked America, they’ve printed trillions for their friends, they’ve delivered crumbling infrastructure, corruption and racism, they’ve transferred trillions to themselves, dividing black and white, fear mongering and fake science, lockdowns and censorship, dirty air, food and water, pushing drugs upon us, making us sicker, we’ve been sold out, one set of rules for them, and another for us.

We deserve a warrior with a history of courage, in putting everything on the line for you, who believes in you, not them, who has created a movement bottoms up. For truth to freedom held, I’ve exposed their lies at the right time, never waiting until it was popular. I’ve exposed their false gods, who exist to lead you back to them.

I’ve exposed their fake signs of lockdowns and masking, and provided you solutions to fight them and win, and protect your immune system, saving millions. I exposed Fauci, galvanized the fire Fauci campaign, when others remained silent. When they stole our election we sued the government and twitter, in our historic 2020 federal lawsuit, exposing in bare view.

The government and big tech censorship infrastructure, the unholy alliance between government and social media companies. Where was Elon and his grifters? They stood by the sidelines and did nothing. They did not use their megaphones to help us when it could have made a big difference. Now our movement grows for truth, freedom, health, independent of all of them.

Everyday millions are learning the science of systems. The knowledge the elites do not want you to have, so you may learn how to think, stand up, and fight, independent of the establishment of left and right and their fake heroes. Now it’s time for you to join the movement to win back America, to win back truth, win back freedom, win back your health.

That’s why I’m running for President of the United States. This race is about you. This race is about truth, freedom, health, versus power, profit, control. We’ve had enough. They think we’ll fall in line and vote again for their lawyers, celebrities, billionaires, and chosen ones from above. We choose our heroes from below, from the rank and file, who do what is right at the right time, not when it’s convenient and popular.

They can never represent us. What America needs is a movement by the working people, for the working people, who are educated, organized, decentralized, and fight for independence from their systems of control. And that movement exists. It’s ready for you. We don’t need them. We need us to go bottoms up, neighbor to neighbor.

My journey, your journey, are all the same. It’s our time. It’s time we had one of us. It’s time to win back truth, freedom, health, to win back America, be part of this historic movement all the way to our victory on November 5th, 2024. If you’re an American citizen, pledge your vote now for Dr. Shiva Yadure, the independent candidate for US president.

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