In this discussion, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, The Inventor of Email, explains why everyone must learn the science of system to free themselves and not be fooled.
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- Dr.SHIVA explains why everyone must learn Systems Science to liberate themselves and to defend against the brainwashing of those in power.
- The elites who desire power profit control use Systems Science to manipulate working people’s perception of truth to divide them into left & right and keep them fighting each other.
- Institutions like the Military-Industrial-Academic Complex of places like Harvard, MIT, and Raytheon have built a narrative that only elite institutions like them are capable of creating great innovations and that most great innovations come from war.
- The Military-Industrial-Academic Complex deliberately buries stories of innovation, such as a young 14-year-old boy’s invention of Email in Newark New Jersey in 1972, or another 14-year-old boy’s invention of the television, and steals their inventions for themselves.
- Controlled mass media are used to brainwash these narratives into the minds of working people to keep them from innovating ways to go beyond the left/right paradigm and actually solve real problems.
- Only a bottom’s up movement of working people armed with the Science of Systems can overcome the machinations of those in power and achieve Truth Freedom Health®.
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Okay, wonderful. Yeah, let’s just go right into it.
Dr. Shiva, welcome to the show. Good. How are you doing?
Great. Yeah. So great to have you on our show. And so
as I understand
it. So first of all, you know, because I think a lot of our audience get to know you back in 2020. election, but at that time, a lot of people don’t know is that you are actually the inventor of email. Yes, that’s true.
Yeah, so maybe, you know, I think it’s really amazing. I think it’d be amazing for our audience to get to know you more about your life prior to the election. And yesterday, like, Yeah, I think, is it like the 40th anniversary of the invention of the email? Yeah, it’s the 40th anniversary of the invention of email. And, you know, just to give you the background on this, you know, I’ve been involved cafe in really understanding systems. And if you think about email, email was a system. It’s not like the simple exchange of text messages. You know, on electrical electronic device, if you go back to, you know, the 1800s. With Morse code, you could exchange simple text messages, right? Or the teletype. Email is something completely different email is actually a system. And a lot of people over the age of 40 will remember that in
it, you may remember this all over the world, every organization, there were two ways in the 1970s, or before the internet really became a consumer good. That people communicated, right. They use the telephone, remember, the hard wired telephone, not the cell phone. And we had in organizations this thing called the inter office mail system, right? And on that interoffice mail system,
if I can share my screen, I can show you some pictures if you want, but if not, it’s okay. Can I share my screen here? Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think I need to be allowed to skip share the screen. But if you allow me to share the screen, I can show it’s not allowed. Yeah, yeah. If you can allow me to share the screen. I can show. Yeah.
I need let me call my assistant because I know I cannot reach over Yeah, that’s okay. Whoever’s running zoom, if they could just say screen sharing. But anyway, the interoffice mail system was something quite interesting. The interoffice mail system allowed people to communicate using paper based email. So in an organization, the way people communicated, was they didn’t use, you know, they didn’t have the traditional. They didn’t have email then. Right. So they used to write these paper memos. And those paper memos would be constructed by a secretary and a secretary write a memo to from subject. And on her desktop, she had the inbox and the outbox, beneath her desk was a trash can. And she would write these memos and put them into an envelope. And they were sent around in these pneumatic tubes, was a very complex system.
If she had to carbon copy, let’s say I was going to hire you, Cathy, I would write a memo to your boss, I would attach your resume and I would maybe carbon copy human resources and other people. Right. So this was the interoffice mail system. And I was asked as a 14 year old kid, to convert this entire system to the electronic version. And it’s important to understand that electronic version is what I created of that that entire system. Now I was working at that medical school, believe it or not, as a 14 year old Research Fellow.
And we were at Rutgers medical school in Newark, New Jersey, you see in 1970, for your audience to understand I had come from India, as a seven year old kid. I was deeply interested in medicine. And I was also very much interested in political systems, believe it or not as a kid because I grew up in an India, which had the caste system, where people were judged not by what they did, but which family they were born into. It was called the Indian caste system, you may be aware of it. So my parents were very fortunate to escape that caste system and come to America. But I also grew up in an environment where my grandmother practice traditional systems of healing like similar to traditional Chinese medicine. There’s an Indian form of medicine called siddha. So I grew up watching her be a healer, use the st
In system of medicine to heal people in the villages, but I also was, you know, exposed to the fact that there was this political system, which was frankly not correct. So as a kid, I was very interested in systems, my family moved over here to the United States. When I was seven, I was very motivated to study hard. And by the time I was 14, I’d gone to New York University on a separate computer science program. And while in high school, I got a job working full time at a medical school, doing medical research on why babies were dying in their sleep. So I was doing using computers to mathematically model sleep. But at the same time, because of my programming skills, I got hired to convert this entire interoffice mail system into the electronic form, Kathy, that’s what I did. So I converted the inbox, the outbox, the folders, Blind Carbon, copy CC, BCC attachments, a whole thing into a system. And I wrote 40,000 50,000 lines of code. And I named that system email. So not only that was no one had ever done this before. I was the first to create that system, and call it email at a time when computers had very little memory. And then I moved all the secretaries from the key from the typewriter to the keyboard. In those days, women were basically told they could only be a secretary, right? Or housewife, or a teacher, or essentially, could
be a nurse. Right? Those were the jobs for women. So email literally liberated these women from the typewriter, the keyboard, no one had ever done this. So I did email invented it before I came to MIT.
And the other important thing to understand was when I came to MIT, Kathy, the president of MIT, who was on the are you there? So Kathy?
Yes. Yeah, I wasn’t sure. Yeah, I right. Now, I think you can share your screen. Yeah. So let me let me share my screen here. So if you go to this side here, it’s called the inventor of email. Let me go to it. And you will see this is what real secretaries right had this thing called the desktop, right? If you remember right here, and this was a memo, right? And this was the interoffice mail envelopes. am I sharing? Right? Right? Yes. I’m not sharing with you right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can, I can see. Yeah, yeah. And that was interoffice mail envelope that was used in those days. And,
and so e mail was a vehicle for people to communicate, right. And they had these pneumatic tubes, you see that? And so I converted this entire system, let me go to, there’s a site called inventor of email.com, that you can, you know, find later. And so when I came to MIT, this was on the front page of MIT, we created this website, to educate people. And the president of MIT was on the science advisory, the White House Science Council’s name was Paul Gray Reagan, this is a 1981. And he said, It’s too bad that you cannot patent software. The congress people, the legislators in Congress didn’t even know what software was Kathy, that’s how software was new. So there’s no, but in 1980, which I didn’t know, there was a law passed that you could use copyright to protect software. So I as a kid wrote away
for the to do that. And on August 30 1982, I received the official copyright, recognizing me as the inventor of email. Here’s that copyright notice, you can see August 30 1982, it was you had to send all your code, it was a pretty long process. So I wrote all the code named it email, and I have the US copyright for it. Yes. So I did invent email before I came to MIT. That’s what’s important. So MIT, so there’s been some
myth around this because I never promoted it was only about 10 years ago, when my mom was dying of a horrible disease called pulmonary fibrosis, that all my stuff went into the Smithsonian. And it created.
And that’s when the world knew who invented email. And some people didn’t like it, because it there was a false history, which said, email came out of the military. The problem is Kathy, the military industrial complex, likes to create the fiction that all great innovations come from war. Right? You kill people and you innovate things. But the truth is, email, which is one of the profound innovations of our time, was invented by a 14 year old immigrant kid in Newark, New Jersey, which is a very poor city, not for war, but for a civilian problem. Helping secretaries communicate in the interoffice mail environment. So but you know, the important thing is, as a kid, I had a deep love of medicine systems, but also I learned systems science. And today, you know, and I went on to invent many other things while at MIT. I invented it
Echo mail a system for automatically analyzing email, I did it for the White House. And we built a big company, I created one of the first arts communities online for artists to communicate and put their wares back in 93. And then most recently, one, I created a system for automatically analyzing diseases on the computer mathematically modeling diseases, to discover how many of our traditional medicines in China and India work. So we could eliminate the need for animal testing. That’s called cytosol. And the biggest I think, important innovation right now is truth, freedom and health, truth, freedom and health. Cathy’s literally a system that we have created that allows anyone to actually get smarter, believe it or not, okay? What what truth freedom health allows people to do is to actually understand how political systems work. Can you see this? Yeah, so truth, freedom and health is literally a system we say get educated or be enslaved. And it says, A man who invented email now delivers the truth or to the health system. So what we’re teaching people is I’m taking all the 50 years of knowledge, and I teach people system science, they get all the books and papers, they also understand how their body is a system, we give them a lot of scientific knowledge. We do a lot of special lectures, we’ve created a global community now of 360,000 people all over the world, in 95 countries. And using this system, people actually literally can get smarter, because they can start seeing connections between things, Kathy, because what’s happening now is those in power, they take any issue and they want to make it left and right or pro or anti. They don’t want people to actually see the hole. And what truth for them. And how does, it helps gives people the opportunity to see things as they truly are, not how you want them to be, but to see things as they truly are. So the truth, freedom and health system, when you go through it, we have many, many everyday working people. So you don’t have to go to MIT to understand system science. But when you go through this site, which I recommend everyone go through, you will, you will see that we’re actually
solving this very interesting problem today, Kathy, we have lots and lots of information right at people’s fingertips. So you would think with more information, people are going to get smarter, and wiser and more truth more freedom, right? But the reality is, with more information, 650 million people are more anxious and depressed right now. 51% of people in the world feel hopeless. 25% or more people want to overthrow their governments. Two and a half billion people are obese right now. 52% of people are completely confused on what to eat or to avoid. And 95% of people have health problems, that doesn’t mean infirm, nor information is solving problems. In fact, what it’s doing is if you look at this information pyramid, in my view, those in power are actually breeding ignorance, because they’re, you know, in many of the traditional systems, you were taught to see the whole right holistic approach. But now people teaching people an ignorant approach of only seeing the parts. So people get into illusion, they get confused. So either they get desperate, where are they we’re dividing people into left and right. Or people just say forget it, and they just moved to the forest and don’t want to do anything. This is this current system. And, and what this is doing is creating people into division, complacency and desperation, right. So and then people have people thinking that gurus or Bernie Sanders, or these talking heads, or people are going to solve this. And the reality is the only way out of this as if we get wisdom. And wisdom comes from knowledge, which is different than information, which is we need to learn the science of systems. And what’s important understand Kathy is the elites, those who rule the world, like George Soros, or people who work for the biggest governments, they all know the science of systems, I learned that at MIT, about 10,000 people in the world know the science of systems. So my intention here has been to take all that knowledge and put it into a curriculum that anyone can learn it. They don’t have to have an MIT PhD, Kathy. So what we’ve done is we’ve in a very nice way done that. So so this, so this is really a technology, okay, if you can think about it. It’s a technology where people literally within hours, they can learn 20 years of MIT knowledge, they can understand what a system is, we’ve put it into a course, people can get the book to learn how their body’s a system, everything is a system Kathy in life.
People can understand the scientific theory, I published a paper on this linking eastern and western medicine and showing that ultimately, the body is a system. And then I created a tool so everyone can understand how the body is a system and figure out what are the right foods and exercise is in fact the right yoga postures for them. So they don’t just blindly follow a diet. Then they get access to science.
For research, we do special lectures every once a month, then we’ve also created a tool where people can teach others. And then we have a whole community now about 360,000 people globally. And then we create tools, so people can also educate others. And then we’ve created a lot of technologies like the forum for people to communicate independent of Facebook, and other things. So that’s the latest thing I’ve been working on Kathy, which sort of goes beyond email, email, was the system truth freedom health is also a system if that makes any if that if I’m being clear on that.
Okay. Okay. So very interesting. Yeah. So that’s what we’ve done. Our goal has been to create a world where people can become their own gurus, you know, so they don’t have to blindly follow other people. That’s been really the goal here. So we can create a more educated group of people who are not relying on, you know, governments or those kind of people to give them education, they can start learning themselves, how everything actually operates fundamentally.
So how long do you think people need to learn to grasp? Well? Well, it’s a great question. You know, there are people who have taken, we make everything open, people can come as many they can take it as many times more importantly, we’ve created a community. First you learn the theory of systems. Then every Thursday’s like this Thursday, at 11am 8pm. We do community meetings, because you learn and then we ask people to get on the ground and talk to their neighbors. So we take different issues, Kathy, like the pandemic issue or the elections issue, or wearing masks or not, right? Every major issue we take, and we put it on little cards, where people can really go beyond left or right. And we want people to go share this with others. The bottom line is you can’t just be taking knowledge and just keeping it for yourself. We want people to share knowledge with others. It’s called a learn, teach and serve model, if that makes any sense. So you learn and then you teach, and others learn. So it’s a very, very important way for people to learn, actually. So when you teach actually, you learn a lot more than if you just keep it to yourself.
So let me stop sharing.
Maybe How do I stop sharing here? I think you need to stop me from sharing.
Yes, but that’s what we’ve created. Kathy, if that makes sense. We’ve created an environment where anyone can learn this knowledge, and then have everyone else learn it also. So it’s been great because we have people all over the world who are now learning this knowledge.
Let me see.
I was sharing it right. You’re able to see the screen you was here. Yeah. You have been sharing. Okay. No, yeah. Okay. Okay, there. We’re back. Right? Yep. Yeah, yeah. So I think the central thing that, my view is that without the knowledge of systems, it is very, very easy to fool people in the modern world. Because what’s happened is that ultimately, there is no you know, the universe doesn’t work with left or right. The universe is no pro or anti. The universe is based on fundamental principles, the movement of information matter and energy, which we call transport, the conversion of information matter and energy, which we call the conversion process, or the structural piece in the Indian system, they called it Botha, pitta, kapha, if you look at Chinese medicine, this principles came out in the concept of,
you know, the flow of water or when that was motion, right, or the conversion process, which was fire process, or the storage process, which was really the wood or metal process, right, and Chinese medicine. So the traditional systems of medicine had these principles. So what I’ve been able to do, Kathy is take these ancient principles, look at modern engineering systems science and blend them together to create a curriculum that you get to pure truth, from a framework so people can now start to see politics, transport, conversion, storage is the same as freedom, truth and health. So you have to have freedom, to be able to have discourse and discussion. And it is through discussion and discourse that we actually get to truth. And truth is a scientific method, right? You apply science, you test different things, you find out what works and what doesn’t. And when you have truth and freedom, you get to real health, and with real health, you have the strength to fight for freedom and truth. And now what’s happening in the world, unfortunately, is that we have freedom being attacked. We have truth being attacked. And when you do that, you don’t get healthy people. You don’t get healthy infrastructure. And what happens is when you don’t when you don’t have healthy people, they don’t have the strength to fight for a truth or freedom. So our
Our goal is to treat teach people the system’s approach. And my view is, it’s not to convert people or to convince people. It’s more like saying, you know, do you understand physics, right? Once people understand this, they themselves can become their own masters or on teachers, and they can educate their communities and lift people’s consciousness. So that’s what truth freedom and health is. It’s literally a system that teaches people systems.
So that’s what’s exciting.
Okay, yeah, just give me one second. Screams.
Okay, no worries. Take your time.
Okay, yeah, so yeah, it sounds really just amazing. I just don’t because since actually, that’s my question, but you also meant we don’t have your video. Right, Kathy? I don’t see your video. Is that the way it’s supposed to begin? Oh, okay. Oh, I don’t see your video. You know, I just see it’s on my screen. Oh, okay. All right. I don’t see. Okay. No worries. Oh, you don’t see it? Nope. That’s okay.
Yeah. All right. But yeah, we’re gonna record it with Yeah. All right. Yeah. With me, Andy. So yeah, I have a question with regards to what you just mentioned. So how does principles relates to this system? Because right now, you know, I think, especially in this country, it’s very polarized, right with the,
like, the, for example, we just heard this speech by President Biden, like, and a lot of people actually I just saw a
poll saying that good number of people, percentage of people in the United States think the dangerous Marga Republicans is a threat to the very foundation of our republic. On the other hand, a lot of conservatives, people thinking the leftist to Democrats, pushing those socialist communist, even communist policies are threatening our republic. So both sides are, you know, accusing the other side. And, you know, the threat of this republic. So when you say about this system, how does that work with the very polarized? Yeah, you asked to make? I think this is probably the most important question. So it’s a brilliant question you’re asking Kathy. And this question everyone should be asking, because what’s happening to the United States right now? I think there was a poll done. That poll done by the University of Chicago about two months ago, it said 25% of Americans want to overthrow their government. I don’t know if you saw that.
And then the recent poll said 40%, okay. And there’s debate on both left and right, what so you have to ask, who is benefiting from the United States, left and right division. And so that’s why I believe system science is the only way to save the world. Let me tell you why. My former mentor at MIT, his name was Jay Forrester. He was a professor at MIT until 93 years old, he was one of the founders of systems theory, the western approach, okay.
And he said, systems science should be taught at the kindergarten level why? So if you take a problem, right, every problem today
is being made into a left right issue. So what the left and right are doing, they’re taking a real problem. And then they make it into a left or right issue. And both sides profit from it. Let me give you an example. Okay, that I’m very intimately aware with if you know, it was our movement here in Massachusetts, which photos first expose the issue with the election issues, right, real issues, like the ballot images being deleted? Were the ones who exposed you know, out of all the research that was done, it was the signature verification process, which was finally taken up by the Attorney General of Arizona. When I did that stuff that was in 2020. September, no one else even thought about. They were calling it voter fraud. They didn’t call it election fraud, right? election fraud is very simple, because it’s very different because it goes at the system systemic issues. When we did that, Kathy, I think you guys did a coverage but no one else did. Even the Magga Republicans or the Democrats, CNN nor Fox News, no one covered it, because it wasn’t popular. You say after the Trump election, then it became popular. And you also may remember I filed a lawsuit in federal court and we exposed in October 3 30th of 2020. We won a major lawsuit that government has a collusion with Twitter. It is not big tech works on their own
But government and Twitter work together. And we won a major lawsuit because it was found out that I was thrown off Twitter. When I expose that ballot images were being deleted Massachusetts, the government of Massachusetts, this is like what happens in China, right? Contacted Twitter, at least in China there, you don’t lie they the government. And the censorship is one, right. But here in the United States, we act like the big tech works independent of the government, but they’re actually one. So we expose that, again, nothing in the mainstream media.
Tucker Carlson knew about this, he didn’t do anything.
However, two years later, or even six months later, when the problem is too late, then the left and the right, make elections systems issues, no longer election systems issues, but Oh, someone over here is attacking, they make up crazy, the right wing did not go after the real fundamental issues. There are a lot of Grifters out there, Kathy, who made a lot of money, just talking about crazy ideas.
And then the left wing attack the right wing, right. So what ended up happening was the election issue became a left and right issue. It did not all the real issues got thrown under the rug. Right. So if you’d say anything about elections, oh, you must be a right winger, right? The fundamental systems issues are forgotten. Let me take another example. The real issue with the environment, there is real issues with the environment, which is pollution. But the left has made co2 the pollution, okay, co2 is not a pollutant. It’s not pollution, co2 is necessary for plant growth. And in fact, the Paris Accords, Trump was right to get out of the Paris Accords, the Paris Accords allow China to double their pollution, India to double their pollution. So never addressed pollution, it made co2, the issue. So what happens is the the left and the right take a very complex issue, like the climate system, and they make it about one thing, oh, it’s about co2, and then they build a bogus story around it, then the left will start sending Democrats an email saying, Oh, give us money, give us money. We’re fighting for the green New Deal. And that’s what happened with the election issue. The data that we had actually compiled was used by a lot of the people on the right to make frankly, half a billion dollars on elections, but they never really wanted to address the election issue. You take them money. Oh, yeah, they made a lot of money.
Trump man, what’s that? How did they get the money? Well, because what they do is they’ll they’ll send an email to their followers, right? Give us donations there. So they take a very complex issue. And they don’t address the real issue, they address, oh, we need to lower co2, you follow? So Bernie Sanders and AOC will send emails, oh, we need the green New Deal, we need to have we have to lower co2. So they scare people into fear. And then people give them money. You follow what I’m saying? Through donations. So for example,
in November, if you notice, I had done a lot of the analysis. And we got a call from Mark Meadows. I was here in November 2020. And he said, Oh, Dr. Shiva, we want you to help us do the analysis. I said, Great mark, send us data. And then Rhonda McDaniel from the Republicans called us. And I said, Great, Rona, send us data. They never sent us a data even though they had the data. But they knew my analysis was going viral on the internet. If you remember that time, Kathy. So people want it to attach themselves to the analysis. We’ve done the MIT PhD doing real analysis, people would use that. And then they would take a piece of that and raise money off of it, or sell pillows off of it. Okay. And I know these people there, they may be nice people. But every issue today has become a left and right issue. There is no understanding of what the real issue is and what the real solution is. So you have to wonder do these people really want to solve the problem? Or do they want to just keep the dialectic going? You say and I’m so for example about
but I think four months ago, there’s a left liberal investigative news organization called Pro Publica, you can look them up. Pro Publica claims that they are this investigative group. They do real research where they had called me up, and they said, Dr. Shiva, you know, we want to talk to you about the election issue. And do you believe China hit the election? Do you believe like, you know, they’re making, you know, they’re, they were taking the standard,
quote, unquote, right wing stuff and trying to bucket me and I said, Wait a minute. I said, let me be very clear. There are real election systems issues. And the problem is there are people who’ve taken the real issues and talked about garbage. So the left could not ever deal with the real issues you say, because he issues with election
is beyond left or right. It’s an American issue. So, pro publica did it. Luckily, I didn’t I, you know, I had videotaped the interview, I put it out. And they said, We’re doing a detailed article. And the interviewer was completely confused after that our interview. So he goes, Oh, wait a minute. So you’re not left. You’re not right. Because you actually sound very reasonable. He couldn’t understand the fact that there are real systems issues. And I said, Yeah, I said, the problem is every issue in this country is being made left and right. Now he wrote a 20 page article, Kathy, afterwards. Guess what? The interview? I did not one sentence from that interviews included.
Why? Because I wasn’t feeding his narrative of left versus right. You say?
They want the left versus right, pro versus anti on every issue, because the media makes money, because then it becomes drama and theater, right? Like those wrestling guys fighting.
And that’s what we have you take the Ron DeSantis issue with immigration. Okay. The recent thing, you know, we live in Massachusetts, Martha’s Vineyard is right here, of people I know live there. Well, for the last 50 years, the immigration issue has been a quote unquote, issue, right. But neither the left or right has ever solved it. The only people who can solve immigration is Congress, not the president, because Congress passes legislation. Now, you would think if you really wanted to solve it, those congress people would say, Hey, we’re not going to go on vacation. We’re not going to leave until we solve this issue. Right? If it’s such a big issue, but the reality is that the left and the right, have both survived on cheap immigrant illegal labor. The right Republicans survived, Wall Street’s profits are high because they keep expenses low. Many of the immigrant, quote unquote illegals who come here, are leaving countries which have serious issues, which was caused by the US imperialist establishment, putting dictators into those countries, and the right wing doesn’t want to discuss that. But the left wing uses illegal immigrants for votes, right? That’s also a fact. Both are true. But the fundamental issue is, there are 30 million, quote unquote, illegal immigrants and many of those people, Kathy are the ones who are mowing the lawns, doing the landscaping, cleaning our toilets, right, etc.
The since Obama, since since 2008, remember, they printed all this money, they saved the big banks in the in the United States, Obama printed around $8.2 trillion, quote, unquote, printed right quantitative easing.
And in two terms, Trump printed 6.9 trillion, I gave money to Trump, I supported his campaign, everyone know this, but at the end of the day, he also printed money, and Biden has printed 2 trillion. So all of this modern monetary theory of printing money was was what did it actually do? It was supposed to support people to stimulate the economy. A lot of people took this money, Wall Street took it, banks took it, they didn’t let it go into the economy. They invested in the stock market, right. And so we have a false economy right now. And there’s a lot of people in the United States during the last two years, who are sitting at home and still are, who don’t want to work. A very good friend of mine, who’s a very major, big economist, he said, Shiva, I don’t even know what’s going to happen. We’re printing money, and people do not want to work.
The Immigrant quote unquote, illegal immigrants are working Kathy right. So I believe that what DeSantis did, and what the Liberals did one is theatrics. And yeah, there’s hypocrisy, right? What DeSantis showed when he sent those immigrants over is okay, the liberals are hypocrites. But he did it because he wanted theatrics. He wanted to do a troll like Trump, right to get himself out everywhere. But I don’t think either the left or the right in this country want to solve the immigration problem. The only way to solve this is bottoms up by everyday people getting educated on how systems work. And the only people incentivized in the United States to solve problems are working people, the middle class, who actually work for a living, the very poor don’t have an incentive because they’re gonna get free money. The very wealthy are also getting free money, you know, they’re getting money from all the stimulus, which they pumped into the stock system. So that’s why, you know, we have to educate people to stop thinking left and right because it’s going to rip the United States apart. And whoever wants that,
to create this divide is going to profit from that, because you’re going to destroy the US economy. People can come by the US assets at a
low price. But we’re at a very critical point in the in the US system, because you have people being ripped apart by left and right. I mean, isn’t it interesting? Every issue is always like 5050. Right?
So this is not in my view, this is engineered. It’s not normal to think like this. And if you take an objective look at Trump or Obama, and I’ve met with Trump multiple times, right? I’ve shared this with him. But I don’t want to go into the reasons for his entrance segments. But the bottom line is, Obama printed $8.2 trillion, Obama saved big banks, a great
Trump printed 6.9 trillion, he saved Big Pharma. Just like the bank should have failed, Big Pharma was failing. And instead of letting them fail, we created this entire new business for them, you know, the quote, unquote, vaccines, right. And what you really had was, if go look at Pfizer’s revenue, in the last 10 years, they went from 65 billion in revenue. And in 2020, their revenue at hit 40 billion they had dropped 25 billion in revenue. They were tanking, all the pharmaceutical companies were losing revenue. And a lot of people think, oh, farmers making money No, they weren’t. Because they’re single molecule drugs are not making any money.
Because the entire drug development process is broken. They needed vaccines to survive. So Pfizer’s revenue went from 65 billion to 40 40 billion. And then right after this pandemic, they went to 80 billion. Think about that.
So Trump, say big pharma, Obama say big banks, and whether no matter how much I like Trump, and by the way, 50% of Trump errs voted for Obama. I don’t know if you know that. Okay. 50%. Yes, a lot, because they all saw Obama, the black guy, the outside agent of change, right. So those in power used Obama for eight years, and then they brought in Trump. And if you look at those four years of Trump, Fauci didn’t get fired,
Big Pharma explosively grew, these are the objective facts.
And the reality is $6.9 trillion was printed. And then so now the right wing blames Biden and the Biden’s blame the left wing, right. So this is a nonsense and both parties make money through the little e donation emails they sent. But we are not solving problems in the United States anymore. It’s a divided country. And the only way is we have to go and educate working people to think beyond left and right beyond black and white, beyond Pro and anti. So working people come together. And by the way, what’s fascinating is you brought about communism and the unions. It’s fascinating because if you say working people unite, the right wing says that’s a communist Marxist slogan, right? So what happened in the United States was in 1920s, there was a true bottoms up movement in this country when the depression was taking place. Women led those movements for the eight hour workday for eliminating child labor for better infrastructure. And it was those bottoms up movements, which said working people unite, which has nothing to do with Karl Marx. Karl Marx does not own the word working people unite. You said I’m saying that has existed since the time of slaves. So those movements actually are the ones that forced the Democrat, FDR, to give people infrastructure to give eliminate child labor in the United States, all those things. And it was infrastructure, water systems, electrical systems, highway systems, which actually reduced infection rates long before the vaccines came 19 like measles. Now, in 1950, the elites under the leadership of the right set, oh my god, we can never have a bottoms up movement occur. So they branded anytime you said, working people unite. Oh, that’s communist that’s Marxist. So the right wing attack working people from the right and then the left, the unions run by the Democrats made all the bottoms up movements they took over the union’s cafe. So it was a two pronged attack on bottoms up, grassroots movements, the left wing now by 1970, controlled all the union’s top down, and the right wing, if you ever said hey, working people unite, oh, you’re Marxist or communist or socialist set it up, you say? So this is where we live now.
They don’t want working people independently in a decentralized way coming together. They want people fighting against each other. So Bernie Sanders and AOC and Elizabeth Warren, and the left will use the word workers right? They don’t care. They don’t care about workers at all. And the right wing if you ever say hey, let’s build a bottoms up movement. Let’s unite the middle class work oh,
You’re a communist. So they have a very, very
in a powerful way, Kathy, you say, and that’s why we need to educate people to think beyond left and right. To fight for truth, freedom and health, that you have to have freedom,
which some people may call it the right wing issue, you have to have truth. Some people may say, oh, that’s what nerds care about, right? Or scientists, and you have to have health, they may say, Oh, that’s a left wing issue. We have to bring all these things together. And that’s why the system’s framework is the only thing that brings it together from a scientific framework, because freedom
is the thing that gives rise to truth and truth and freedom give rise to health. And health is the thing that you have the strength to fight for truth and freedom. These are scientific principles. And it goes beyond left and right. So if you’re a yoga teacher, and you care about your health, and you’re against GMOs, and you don’t like Monsanto, that was seen as a left issue, right, what’s not, because with health, you have the strength to fight for freedom, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, fighting for free speech, is now seen typically as a right wing issue, right? But it’s not it’s a human issue. But all these things have to be fought for in an integrated way. That’s why we teach truth, freedom and health.
So, you know, we were talking about left and right. There is also independence. Right. And they seem more and more people are becoming independent. But on the other hand, it seems like in the United States, the two parties to the two party political system still prevails. For example, in California, you know, I came from California,
if the independents that it’s very hard for them to win, yeah, so So let’s, yeah, I’m sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. So I just wonder, How easy do you think is to educate people to get out of this left and right, and thinking? Yeah, so you’re asking a very, very important question. The most important thing to recognize is those in power, Kathy.
So if you look at independents, let me answer that right. In Massachusetts, for example. 55 60% of people are registered independents are what they call unenrolled. 10%. Republicans. 35%. Democrats. Okay. 55%. Independents got it. And if you run as an independent member, several years ago, ran against Elizabeth Warren. We created a big show the the Republican Party here is in collusion with the Democrats. It’s all fake. It’s all theater, right? They act like they’re against them. In fact, the guy that’s right now running for Republican governor, he’s a complete idiot. He actually said that Trump lost fairly, but Trump still endorsed him, Kathy?
Because he gave Trump $16,000 They give him money and the SAVE AMERICA pack. It’s a money making venture, sorry to say, Okay, you give save America money, they endorse you anyway. The point is, the 55 60% of independence, right? When an election time goes, in Massachusetts, 60% of the independence will go right, and 40% Go left. Okay. That’s the way it’s engineered. And the reason they do this is that there is no fundamental idea of why you need to build a movement, a movement is very different than registering as an independent. If all I’m saying just because you register as an independent doesn’t mean you consciously get in your mind, why you have to build a movement. So one of the most important things that we teach a truth, freedom and health is we teach people history. We teach we go back to the 1920s. We go back to the 1800s. We teach people that anything human beings have today, Kathy has come from independent bottoms up movements, not registering as an independent, but movements. So if you look at the woman’s right to vote in the United States, do you know how the women got that right to vote?
Not exactly. Well, let’s go Susan B. Anthony. She went to the Democrats, and she said Hey, women should in fact, she wanted universal suffrage for women and blacks, right? They literally laughed at her.
In the House of Representatives. They laughed her out. So what did she do? She went door to door to door to door. Okay. She created a massive ground movement. And then the politicians came.
If you look at any fundamental issue, go look at the issue of the eight hour workday. People are working 20 hour days and US factories children are there were working in factories. It was in the 1800s in the United States, in 1886. It was called the great upheaval. Unfortunately, they don’t teach us in American history. There was a bottoms up movement.
And in 1886.
It culminated in Chicago, where for the four workers were hanged in the United States for fighting for the eight hour workday.
And that was called Mayday.
Now, the rest of the world, it wasn’t a communist holiday, the rest of the world commemorated those four workers. And then somewhere along the way, it became a communist holiday, you see, but it wasn’t that originally. And in the United everywhere in the world, they still celebrate Mayday except in America now, it was changed to Law Day. So what’s happened is, in my view, those in power do not want the American working class, which is the only working class that has a First Amendment and the Second Amendment to know their own power and their history. It’s been wiped away, Kathy, and independent movements, is why the United States has these freedoms and has these rights. And over the last, particularly the last three, four or five years, which our movement expose.
It is the establishment elites which want to destroy the First Amendment or the United States.
They want to remove the fundamental rights. And this directly is connected to the concept of the monarchy, which comes out of Britain. You know, Britain, does not have a constitution.
The people in Britain really don’t have any First Amendment. And people think this stupid queen is some Disneyland you know, she’s just a pretty face, right? She isn’t. She still runs Britain, she has all the power to take away parliament and run them. And it is that British imperial model that never wanted Americans ever to have the Bill of Rights. In fact, it is Britain, which has an organization called the Atlantic Council, which is the organization what we discovered in our lawsuit, which we presented in court that funded the Belfer Center’s work, to create a set of manuals and handbooks to censor Americans through the relationship between government and big tech. We expose all that. So when you really look at it, America was a big anomaly. 1776 was a big anomaly. The fact that working people got the right, to freedom and to bear arms. Think about that. What other people on the on the planet have that? No one.
And so we’re in this very interesting point in human history, where that’s why the death of the queen I did a bunch of videos on this is fascinating. I mean, they make her look like a nice person. But she was a liberal imperialist, right. She was quote, unquote, liberal, all nice and blah, blah, blah. But she was an imperialist. It was a queen in 1972, which did a coup, there was a duly elected Prime Minister of Australia with a stroke of a pen. Mi six and the CIA literally went in and they throughout this duly elected prime minister using the Governor General. So we have to understand that all roads ultimately lead to this imperial notion that we’re all slaves. When they say that the Queen, you know, held up the institution for 70 years, what institution are we talking about? It’s an institution of slavery. It’s an institution of the caste system, it’s an institution destroying freedom of speech. So it’s, to me it’s ridiculous and 2022. I hope, you know, her burial means this entire institution is buried for good.
But that’s where we’re at, we’re at a very important point in history, where we literally are at this point, just because we have freedom doesn’t mean it’s gonna stay here. So that’s why I believe our movement, the technology, the curriculum we built is so important. It’s the only way that working people all over the world are going to have the tools. And to give you an idea, Kathy,
the elites who go to MIT, Harvard, Kennedy School of Government, all of them learn the science of systems. George Soros learns, he’s one of the theoreticians of this. And the science of systems is like a sword or knife. You can use it to heal people like a surgeon, or you can use it to destroy people, like a criminal would use a knife. Today, the science of systems is being used to subjugate people and slave people.
Or it can be used to liberate people. Now a guy like me who learned this is not really supposed to teach it to the rest of the world. But because of I never forgot where I came from Kathy. That’s why we put the curriculum together. We’ve organized that we’ve created a community and that’s really sort of the focus of what I’m working on. And we have some amazing people all over the world.
So if I you estimate among these 360,000 people are learning this, where they come from, like, do you have we were talking about not to separate people from left and right but
Just to give people and yeah, my idea who are attracted to to learn this? Yeah, that’s good. Let me tell you what’s fascinating is 60% to 65% women.
Okay? And I’ll tell you why. Because women are system scientists by nature. You know why they don’t even know it? A woman has to do so many things in the household. Right? Right. She has to take care of her husband and some kids, she has to take care of the kids, she has to run the household. She’s got to figure out a bunch of stuff. She’s constantly solving a systems problem every day, she doesn’t have the luxury of thinking left and right. She’s got to solve a problem. Okay. And most of these women were never involved in politics, Kathy.
So that’s one thing. The second thing is many of these people are working people. The liberal elites will never come to this because they think they know it all. I call them the uneducated vulnerable idiots, okay, or the educated vulnerable idiots, okay. They may have a college degree.
And they’re typically have quote unquote, liberal leanings, they’re not going to come to it, working class people come to it. And particularly those people who awaken to the fact that this divisiveness is taking place, you say, many people who are Trump errs, they start realizing all these contradictions and Trump, right? Many people are willing to look at the actual stuff, you say, they don’t get lost in the passion. They’re willing to let go of the cults, you say, and that takes a lot of courage. So we have a friend, if you want to come play a video of a guy called Franklin kata, he’s an electrician. He put up probably like 2000 signs for Trump, okay, gave him a lot of money. And then he finally realized, wait a minute, all these people in the January 6 people are in jail. Hillary never got locked up. Fauci is out there, right. And then people always give excuses. And he said, Wait a minute, something’s wrong.
And he had voted for Obama before. So people who have gone to Obama to Trump, you know, they just are waking up. So that’s one set of people, people who have been like a ping pong, or other people who were never in the political system, because they never believed it, you know? And now they see Wow, these guys are actually speaking, you know, someone just said independent thinking people, someone just Okay, so so people who really get it, they’re not they weren’t in a camp, you say, people are in a camp, it’s harder to get them out. Okay. So, it’s typically the people were a political meaning. They chose not to be political, because they just gave up. Or people who spent, you know, five, eight years as a Democrat than they spent the last four or six years as a Trumper. And they went back and forth, you say? So it’s a really, and they’re very smart. And they come from all different economic, let me see vocational backgrounds, hairdressers, estheticians, engineers, scientists,
you know, electricians, right, all different backgrounds. And what we do is when they learned the course, Kathy, they have to teach it. We call it learn, teach and serve. You cannot we actually give a certificate so you can go teach others, okay? You don’t get in until you teach it. Because my view is only when you teach, do you learn it? And then you have to serve. We want you to go educate others, we literally people go, and they you know, hand out flyers, or they take a topic and they have to discuss it. So it’s learn, teach and serve.
Truly bottoms up.
yeah, if you don’t mind, just
because you’ve been talking, you know, very deep about the what you’ve been thinking. So for yourself, were you in a camp? Or you’re going to the camp afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. So for me, it’s interesting. I’ll give you my journey in politics, right. I was you know, when I was a kid, I read every all different political things because that because I you know, India has this caste system, silent read left wing, right wing, I probably studied. I probably know, Chinese political history. Okay. No Russian political history. I studied all this when I was a young kid. So when I came to MIT in 1981
There’s a guy called Noam Chomsky, right, he’s one of the leading linguists in the world.
And Chomsky, I studied under Chomsky to understand the caste system, Chomsky is 90 some odd years old. Now, Chomsky is noted as a next to Jesus Christ. Chomsky is the most cited person in science, believe it or not, okay. So I realized as a young kid that
Um, that the left and the right. Both were horrible, particularly Republicans and Democrats. And particularly, I noticed something even more important, what the best way I can think about it, Kathy is there’s a bird. And think of the head of the bird as is obvious establishment or the establishment. The bird has two shoulders, right? One shoulder is a Republican shoulder and the other is a Democrat, what I call the obvious
Wings of that establishment. Okay, like Mitch McConnell, right? Republican, or let’s say Hillary Clinton, okay.
But the way this bird flies is through its wings, right?
The left wing and the right wing. So the Democrats have the Bernie Sanders in the AOC, who will sometimes even attack Hillary Clinton, right? But when push comes to shove, so they’ll just get every the masses riled up, it’s all theater. But at the end of the day, they’ll say, Oh, my God, we have to be Trump, we have to support Hillary, right?
And on the right, you have the same things. Okay. You have the right wing versions of it, who also rile people up. But when push comes to shove, I’ll guarantee you, they’ll say, oh, yeah, we got to support the Republicans or the Democrats. And I noticed this in, in, in 1984, a guy called Jesse Jackson, do you remember him? A black, Jesse Jackson was part of those called the Reform Party, which included Jesse Jackson, Ross Perot, and it Donald Trump, believe it or not, and Jesse Jackson ran in something called the rainbow movement. And he got a lot of people excited, like he was anti establishment, he really wanted freedom and all this. But at the last minute, he gave all of his votes to Walter Mondale, and he said, the lesser of two evils. You’ve heard of this, the lesser of two evils. This is a way that they’ve manipulated the masses on the left and the right. So they get working people excited, and at the last minute, they bring them back into the establishment.
Obama does this
AOC does this, Bernie does this, but so does the right wing, both do it.
Trump ran on a thing of lock her up, remember that lock her up. Nothing happened, Hillary the day after Trump got elected, because he actually has a quote, he says, that was for the campaign. Now we move beyond that.
And people have to see that.
So it’s all about theater. Meanwhile, every two to four years of working people get excited. It’s like watching the Giants versus the Dallas Cowboys, right? And then they go back. And what we’re educating people is this doesn’t work, you have to be actively involved. And we’re creating an environment where people get educated, that we want people to talk to their neighbors. We want people to talk to their friends and family, we’ve created a world we can take a way that you can take any issue any of these issues, and you can look at the left and right view, and then you can dig down into the real problem and the real solution. So you can bring families together, you can bring people in opposing views together, if they have any if they’re honest, right? To go at the real problem and the real issue, and then you can go to the real solution.
Right? And that’s what needs to be done. Otherwise, it’s literally like watching WWE, you know, the wrestling? So let me tell you what 2020 I call it distraction. 2024. Okay, it’s going to be DeSantis versus Newsom. Right, Gavin Newsom, or Trump versus Biden.
You say, they create it like, and then the $10 billion were made by the media companies in 2020.
There’s a media company called next media services, their stock has grown like this, they make money from all the political advertising, okay.
So this is a money making machine getting all the working people all excited, right? fighting each other. And these people are just doing theater.
It’s modern theater, and the working people are being abused.
So that’s why we say get educated or be enslaved. These people are entertainers. They never talk about any solutions, ever. It’s all always about getting people excited to fight the opposing side. It’s really sick. I’m done with it, and everyone else should be done with it.
Wow. So um,
so when you do these courses, do you charge or how does that work? Yeah, let me explain it to you. So when I in 2007, you know, I finished my PhD right in systems biology. And I went to I took two years off and I went to India to really understand how I could fit modern systems biology to understand the ancient systems and medicine.
I made a big discovery, I found out that the ancient systems of medicine be Chinese or Indian medicine. They use different language, but they were literally intersected with engineering systems. So I came back to MIT. And I created a course called systems biology and traditional medicines. And you know, people pay hundreds of 1000s of dollars to attend MIT. And I created this course I taught it. I never charged a penny on like Elizabeth Warren, while I was working in my company. And we had typically MIT courses, lectures only get like 20 people coming, Kathy, we had 200 people would show up on a Thursday evening, okay. And we had doctors, medical doctors, engineers on one side and Yoga people, traditional medicine people on the other side. And
after that course, I put together this curriculum, and then I taught it all over the world. Okay, people used to pay me 10s of 1000s of dollars. And then I realized that I wanted to make this course accessible to people. And so I wanted to give it away for free. You know, people would pay me three $4,000 for like, a two day course. And I knew working people couldn’t afford it. And I thought it was so I gave it away for free. You know, what happened when I gave it away for free? Kathy?
No one signed up.
Really? Yeah, no one thought it was valuable. So that I said, Okay, let me charge. I didn’t, you know, we didn’t 350 bucks, right. We used to do seminars right here in our office, right.
People came, but I would only get a small set of people. So we, after the campaign ended, I said, you know, we need to get people educated on a systems approach. It was really, Jay foresters vision, we wanted to offer this everywhere. So I said, Okay, to adults, I’m gonna give you all those tools.
If I can let me share that with you again. Can I share that again? So any? Yeah. So yeah, so what I said was, I gotta give people everything because I’m, I want it to be very, very generous, because I wanted to make it affordable. My audience is working people, right. It’s not the elites, right? I think you can. Oh, you have it there. Okay. So let me share it here. So if you look at this here, Kathy, do you see this? Yeah. Okay. So we wanted to make it accessible to working people, right? So in order to make it accessible to working people.
Let me go here, right. So in order to make it accessible to working people, we offered all these things, okay. And what all those things included, were the foundations of systems course. And if you look here, it’s all these course, it involves all these course parts. This is what I used to offer at MIT people pay 1000s of dollars attend, okay, we taught people this system, what is a system, find the fourth part people actually learn, they get like a PhD in engineering systems, but I made it so anyone can learn it, you don’t have to be an MIT person. Then we teach people the intersection of eastern and western medicine, political theory, etc. This is only one part. But in addition to this, we also gave people all these books that people have to pay hundreds of dollars on Amazon, I gave them away. Then we also gave people this tool. So we charge about $100 a year, which everyone’s able to afford. The other thing we did, Kathy is as a part of all of this, and we go back to this right? Is what we did was we said if you as an adult, take the course, you can then give it to as many children as you want free, because we want the adults to give it away to the children. So I went to India, to my village back in India, and we gave it to 1500 kids. So you contribute 100 bucks. You get all of this. You get to you get healthier, you get to meet people, you get tools, and then you can become a philanthropist and give it away as many kids as you want scholarships. Okay. So what’s happening is, if people can’t afford 100 bucks, we’re having people in the community. They’re sponsoring other people, but it’s very rare.
So that’s what’s happening, Kathy, it’s a bottoms up movement, people are helping one another. And everything that we run on the movement, we run on our own data center on our own hardware. So we’re not relying on Google or Facebook, etc. So that funding goes to support our own hardware and software etc.
Yeah, I saw no I stopped sharing. Yep.
Okay, got it. So yeah, I just wonder, because, you know, probably for people who are now in different camps, do you think they will be unhappy to hear what you just shared? You know? Well, yeah, that’s a great question. So what I noticed was
Let me give you an example. At a certain point, you know, as you know, Kathy, you always have to tell the truth. Okay, you can’t be an opportunist.
I did a lot of work on election systems. You know, Trump did a big call out, you know, invited me to mar Lago I had a couple of meetings with him, right? But I had to tell the truth about this dynamic. When we started sharing the facts. When you look at it, I think about I think on Facebook, we lost about 15% of my followers, okay. That’s okay. Because the people that remained were beyond left and right. They got it. Meaning yes, they had to go through their process, right. Oh, is Dr. Shiva splitting the Right, right? That’s okay. But that’s not my intention. In the Anta, you know, the medical freedom movement, I had to do the same thing exposing this guy, Kennedy, Kennedy talks a good game. But at the end of the day, what did he actually do? He endorsed Hillary Clinton three times, even though she was pro Monsanto, and she was a vaccine queen. And in his own house, he talked about Oh, you shouldn’t get the shot. But when people came to his own home, he forced everyone to be vaccinated. Okay. So we found out that a lot of people follow the Kennedy sinking, they’re like royalty, and only the Kennedys can be fighting for us, right. So back in 2020, when I had to, unfortunately expose his nonsense, we lost 15% of our followers, but that’s okay. What people are coming to realize is the not so obvious establishment, these people who taught it’s easy to identify the obvious establishment. It’s a not so obvious establishment, that’s harder for people. Because the establishment creates a not so obvious establishment, to get people excited to think these people are going to do something. But how can a guy living in Malibu really help everyday working people? I don’t think so. Okay.
So, it’s been a journey, but we’ve been leading it, you know, and it’s okay. Because our goal is,
is to raise people’s consciousness. Okay. And then, you know, like, in the Kennedy case, people always make Oh, his wife did it. No, you also went along with it. Okay. So people when they don’t want the not so obvious establishment, in systems theory, we call it a disturbance. This is like the hardest thing for people to overcome. It’s like the the raising of consciousness is when people realize, oh, it’s not Mitch McConnell and Hillary Clinton that are the real enemies of working people. It’s the not so obvious establishment. You see, the establishment is getting ready for Trump version to point out with DeSantis versus Newsome guaranteed. Okay. There’ll be another thing, you know, DeSantis will be the next savior or for the left. Newsom will be the next savior, they’ll have people getting all excited.
And then what will happen? More division, no problems really good salt. That’s the, you know, the dog who chases his tail. So the question we ask people is, do you have self respect for yourself? Why are you trusting Kennedy, okay. And they’ll in fact, create very, very interesting dialogues around them. And this is what we teach in our movement. And it’s very hard because most people do not study history. Like with the civil rights movement, you know, there was a bottoms up movement coming. And what people don’t know, was the government and the Kennedy sponsored Martin Luther King. They got rid of people like Malcolm X, who were truly bottoms up. And the Civil Rights Movement didn’t really deliver what it was supposed to deliver, because it got hijacked, and that hijacking. So today, you have blocks fighting whites, because they said that the solution was affirmative action. The real solution was infrastructure in the inner cities. And that never happened. So people need to get over this royalty syndrome. They need to get over the Kennedys, they need to get over the Trump’s they need to get over the Biden’s they need to get over the Obamas they need to have self respect for themselves and take accountability for themselves.
And that means people have to get off their butts and do something you say. And the establishment has gotten people into this world of entertainment, watching other people fight things out. And that’s the brainwashing our movements fighting, if that makes sense.
So, you know, for some people, I think, for some Americans, they are truly worried that you know, maybe the socialists coming into trying to there are theories of how they are infiltrating this country tried to take down this republic. What do you think of that? Well, yeah, let’s define that right. To me when you use the word
socialists communists, right? Let me give a because the word has been so used right? The left uses it, I mean, and the right uses it. And as I said, this word has been misused
in a way that so if working people started uniting, they’re gonna say, oh, that socialist that’s communists, right. The left doesn’t want people to Yeah, sorry. Yeah. I think we talked about this, but the other side of it is not so much the working people united. It’s more like the policies. Yes. Yeah. So pushing like, to to just give people welfares send people money, give people money. It’s more like a socialist. Yes. Yeah. So, so let’s talk about this definition of you can use I mean, corporatism, socialism, state capitalism, right. There’s a bunch of words. China, for example, has that, right? The government and the CCP, the government, and the big corporations are one right?
There one, right. Okay. The Chinese Communist Party has imagined taking the government of the United States and merging it with a fortune 1000 company leadership. That’s what China is. And it’s very blatant and open. In America, we are given this illusion that governments over here and corporations are over here.
To me, when you use the word quote, unquote, socialism, or quote unquote, communism, I use the word corporatism or state capitalism. The truth is, they’re actually one and they’re become more and more and more closer. And our lawsuit in Massachusetts showed that the government of the United States has an agreement with big tech that if you say something against the government, we actually have the documents. They have a special VIP pipeline to Twitter to shut people down. To me. That’s no different than the CCP Kathy, isn’t it?
Yeah, actually, just recently, they also have expose their emails exchanges between Twitter. Yeah, but we expose that you have a we expose that in 2020. The problem is Tucker Carlson, who I think is a complete scumbag excuse my language. He, we have we showed him that in our lawsuit in 2020, he didn’t do anything. Nothing. I have all the emails, I’m gonna expose him. He’s part of the not so obvious establishment. You see, these people don’t talk about it in 2020, when it could have saved everything.
Alex Berenson knew about it. Glenn Greenwald knew about it. Our case was the pioneering case. We have all the data, you know, so many people knew about it. Why is that? Why? Why didn’t anyone cover it when it was the most important lawsuit? And we actually won. And in court I, you know, we let it Why didn’t it come out in 2020? I have the emails, I’ll show you a Tucker Carlson. He did zero. Because these people are opportunists. They don’t want to talk about something when you can actually make a difference.
This is very again, we teach this in our course. So people say Oh, Tucker Carlson says some good things. Well, what’s too little too late?
What does it mean now, when all this stuff has already occurred?
This is a very, very important dynamic. They manipulate the masses. And then people say, well, Tucker’s a nice guy says it well, he puts his hand up and he watches which way the wind blows. When it is fashionable to talk about it. They do Kathy, it’s not how change occurs. There’s a very famous engineer by the name of Alan McDonald.
I don’t know if you know him. He was the, you know, the space shuttle Challenger in 86. When it blew up.
He was the one who said to NASA, NASA said please sign off the launch. He was at the contractor. And he said, I’m not going to do this because this space shuttle is going to blow up. And he was under massive pressure to sign the launch. He wouldn’t do it. Anyway, he gets demoted. He was the director of the program at Morton fire call. Anyway, he died about a couple of years ago.
And he said something interesting in life. It’s important to say the right thing at the right time.
After the fact two years later, oh, yes, yes, it was wrong. What they did you know what the space shuttle wasn’t it horrible, right?
So these people like Tucker Carlson and these now you’re hearing about it. They’re like the firemen coming after the buildings burned down. You say?
They show up like heroes. We were the heroes. And I’m taking credit because we were the ones who fought the lawsuit. We were the ones who exposed it.
And everyone watches Tucker Carlson.
And people should start watching our movement because our movement is always two years ahead. Go look at the Twitter tweets we did in 2020. We expose Fauci. We ran the fire Fauci campaign. Then a year later, Rand Paul comes to a little too late.
And then he sends donation emails.
We sent him all of our stuff, we collected 180,000 signatures.
These people use issues. They are not real.
They use issues to raise money. They said, Oh, wow, doctor, she was talking that issue. They have all the trend reports.
You go look at our social media. At that time I would do a tweet, it would get 30,000 retweets.
And I only have 300,000 followers. There are people 10 million followers, they do a tweet, they would get five retweets. Because we were calling it because we understand the science of systems, we can see the future. And I say that again with all humility.
So these people watch issues. They come after the fact after the fact.
They don’t do it when the issues going on, like the space shuttle. After it blows up, then they say oh, yeah, it shouldn’t have been done. While it was special. It was already blown up. Okay. How many people like me were thrown off Twitter for no reason.
So your Twitter account is do suspended? Is it? Oh, yeah. And there was a report written at Stanford a 300. page report, we presented in court written funded by the Atlantic Council, which showed there were six people which were considered super spreaders. And I wasn’t even funded like Trump, or others. I was go look, I was the top six super spreaders because I would do a tweet and I would drive people have long form videos, all bottoms up, the other people are funded top down.
So this is what we need to get across. That it was our movement, which always showed this ahead. And it’s just a fact.
Tucker Carlson is one of the biggest master Grifters on the planet. You know, he worked at CNN people don’t forget, he worked at MSNBC. So he just puts on his face. He’s an actor, Joe Rogan, another actor, Alex Jones. You know, Alex gets everyone excited. I’ve been on his show, but they don’t have solutions.
They don’t want to get down to the issue and resolve the problem. This is a fundamental difference. They get ratings, and they get views based on keeping the argument going.
Wow, yeah, this is the reality.
And so there’s only one movement if look, these issues should have been solved. You know, many, many years ago. It’s unfortunate that we have to do all the groundwork a generation ago, people should have built a movement like truth, Freedom health.
So we’re sort of having to do it now. You know.
Look at Joe Rogan. He’s got 20,000 followers. He he is part of a multi billion dollar network called Spotify. He’s owned by his creative agency. In 2014 15. We had written five research papers exposing GMOs at a fundamental level. People wrote to Joe, his closest friend, and he said you should have Shiva on Dr. Shiva on. He put that opposing guy on and he was oh, yeah, GMOs are good. Kevin Folta.
He was pro GMO. And then when the vaccine stuff came, he was pro vaccine. And then when he saw his ratings go down, then he went to becoming quote, unquote, anti vaccine. And then he saw his ratings go down. When Neil Young got off, and then he became, you know, he said, Okay, I’m gonna, he’s a complete grifter.
I mean, you have to understand these people are running multi million dollar, billion dollar enterprises, and they’re all about views, views, views.
Trump is a master of it. I hate to say even though I like the guy, I may like Joe Rogan, you may like Obama, you may like Bernie, it doesn’t matter what whether you like them.
They’re running a circus.
This is the truth.
So people may wonder like, for yourself, what kind of guiding principle for your people you to do all those things?
Well, let me tell you the guiding principle, it’s loyalty to those people actually work hard where I came from when I was 12 years old. Kathy, you know, I came to you have to understand if you understood the caste system, you’d understand. A guy like me should never even be in the United States. My parents should never you unmade it. India as a caste system. If you’re born into this family, we were supposed to be coconut pickers unless the rest of our lives it’s called the caste system.
Okay, the British reimposed it in India. So I don’t know why everyone’s lamenting that the Queen died, frankly, you know, she was not he sustained this institution, which promotes you know, oh, God made this person queen. It’s garbage. Right. But anyway,
India, the caste system. When I came here when I was seven,
and five years later, 19 COVID-19. So in 1975, I went back to India. And that’s when I realized, oh my God, how poor people live in India, right? My grandparents lived in a small, my aunt lived in a small hut, their bare feet, there’s no dirt roads, there’s no running water. That’s when I realized, wait a minute, I’m gonna go back to New Jersey. And these people live like this, I didn’t even know the difference, you follow. And it was 1975. I’d stayed with my grandparents that summer. And I was leaving back to the United States and my grandparents came to the train station to see me off. And these are poor farmers. And they were crying deeply. And I realized how much love I had for them. And all these working people who had suffered so much that my father could go to school, and I could go here. And I realized that I would be a parasite.
And this is as a 12 year old kid, I still remember that scene, looking out the train door, the train window, my grandparents crying, and I realized that I better when I go back to the United States learn as much as I can. To understand
why these people work so hard live in such poverty you follow.
And that if I didn’t do that, that I’d be a parasite. So when I got back that year, and I worked my butt off, by the by, by the ninth grade, I had finished calculus, which was offered to the seniors in high school.
Just you, you learn you learn by yourself, or you I just worked hard, I just worked harder. Yeah. I also was an athlete, because I realized that the United States offered me so much that if and that all those people that had nothing, and I grew up in the working class neighborhoods of New Jersey, you have to understand I grew up in Paterson and Clifton, go look at them. They’re very poor, working class neighborhoods. My teachers were my landlord, you know, who taught me how to landscape and paint. These were immigrants. And these people were amazing people. So I realized that I better work hard.
So by the age of 14, I’m working at a institution
creating email, before I came to MIT. In fact, when I came to MIT, I thought MIT was a crazy place. I didn’t want to go there. People are crazy. I thought it was a mental institute. It was called the Massachusetts Institute. Someone only told me about MIT one week before I applied. My high school was 4000 kids. You know, it was a very all Jewish High School, very nice people. But Jewish people are brought up in those days that they’re the only people are smart. My sister and I were the only two Indian kids, dark skinned Indian kids. And I won every award and that got a lot of people jealous. So no one even told me about MIT, you would think the guy who invented email someone who my guidance counselor didn’t but when I got accepted, then everyone got excited because they get better ratings.
So you have to understand that my journey is very different. I have never forgotten where I came from. My loyalty is to those people work hard.
And I will never forget that loyalty. And I have great, great anger.
For these people who are abusing people. I have great anger for the Kennedy. So when people want to defend the Kennedys, I’ve hung out with the Kennedys. I know them to them. They toast their martinis at Aspen, oh, I’m running a medical freedom movement. They don’t give a damn about that.
It’s all a stick for them. You say Bernie Sanders doesn’t give a damn about the environment. Trump doesn’t give a damn about really putting Hillary away.
They’re making money off people working people. And working people need to get smart. But we are brainwashed every microsecond, every microsecond by Hollywood by revering celebrities, by reviewing these talking heads.
That’s the that’s the brainwashing that takes that’s if you want to talk about quote unquote, the fascism and socialism. You know, I’m sure in China, it’s much more direct in America. It’s this constant brainwashing of giving up your sense of who you are and respect
to Robert Kennedy, who the hell is he?
I mean, the guy talks about medical freedom. He endorsed Hillary Clinton three times while she was saying she wants to vaccinate everyone. While she was saying she wants to do Monsanto. He writes a book with all of our material in it. But this is just a stick. And you will see people still wanting to defend it. Well, he says some good things. That is a trap.
Look at what people do not what they say.
In his own household. He would did not allow people and unless they were vaccinated, oh, then he blames his wife. Come on.
So she might you mentioned I think a lot of people that’s how Chinese immigrants
I had in mind about what America is is very, you know, individualism in China we were taught is bad, right? But, you know, immigrants come here they understand it’s, it’s good. And that’s the tradition of America. But oh, how do you think like, why it comes to this stage in America? It’s come to the state. Because
so if you look at let’s go, you have to so you know, I always love history. So if you look at history from the beginning till today, right? There was a time when human beings were literally in change, right, Kathy? We were whipped and told to build a pyramid, right? You’re in chains. And still some people are to today, right? But that was primarily how most humans work, right? And then at a certain point in history, maybe someone gave us a little piece of land and said, Okay, you can farm that land, but I get to keep 60%. Right? All right,
then we’re at this current. So the end typically was run by kings in the feudal system, right? You can look at in India and China and all over the world.
At some point in human history, like the American Revolution, what was profound about the American Revolution, it was a revolution, where people were were the elites who are fighting the king, were forced to give the working people in America, the Bill of Rights, First Amendment, second amendment, and so on, right. Otherwise, those people weren’t going to fight for the elites against the king, you follow? They had to give them something. So they gave them these rights. But that just think about that in the arc of human history. The elites never wanted to give ink, you know, imagine giving people the right to speak freely, the right to the freedom of press, the right to bear arms. Kathy, this was extraordinary, right?
No other country, I mean, imagine giving the slaves to say, yeah, you can have weapons, and you can attack me one day, who would give that right.
So that was an extraordinary moment that took place in 1776. But the elites are very clever they did they do one step forward, but they do two steps back. They’re very clever. So even though but all those gains came from people fighting hard. So what happens is people forget these wonderful gifts that they got, this is human nature, and they have to be reminded.
So you have to always fight and protect these freedoms, these freedoms are not
written in stone, they can be taken away, too, right? So in the 1900s, in the United States, and for that matter, all over the world, people are rising up to fight the yoke of British colonialism all over the world. In India, people are rising up in the 1900s in America, right? Oh, you know, they’re fighting against the US elites. And those movements were truly bottoms up, bottoms up, bottoms up, and they were very effective.
So in order to make sure that those movements never come up, again, there has been a conscious effort among the global elites, to make sure that the tip of the spear of that movement is the American working class, in my view, because they’re the only ones who have those two or three freedoms, right, is to somehow snatch them back.
And that’s what this is about.
This is about making sure because the people in India don’t have the First Amendment and Second Amendment. Do they have them in China? No. Do they have them in Britain?
Well, maybe to some extent, they don’t do Britain and in fact has no constitution. In fact, Britain is in fact a remember Harry, Prince Harry said the First Amendment is bonkers, go look it up, quote, unquote, people forget, the Queen still has reserve power. She can anytime dissolve parliament, and she has done this in Australia. This is not just some nice lady or lady that died. This is people still contain imperial power.
They do not like you and I having the First Amendment.
And this is why our lawsuit was so important, Massachusetts, and cover, you know, so my point is the American working class is the tip of the spear. And what’s been going on over the last 510 15 years is to destroy the power of the American working class. And I’m sorry to say Trump was part of it.
He had for years. And he basically did everything the establishment wanted, he created Siza
which created this collusion between government and, and
and, you know, big tech
Jared Kushner got $2 billion loan from the Saudis. I’m sorry, he made a lot of money.
So when you really look at it, they had Obama, the black guy who was trying to get all trying to help blacks and whites. The elites ran him for eight years. Then they said, Oh, now we need a white guy. So they brought in Trump. He talked about locker Rob dadadada. And Owen got locked up, except his own followers are locked up, right.
And none of his followers were given any pardons.
Jared Kushner’s father guard apartment.
So you really have to look at this. And unfortunately, it makes some people vomit. So they don’t want to look at it holy. Oh, my God, I supported Trump. And we’re doctors he was saying is true. But I can’t accept it. It’s like telling a you know, it’s telling someone, hey, you’re an alcoholic. You’ve been abused.
And it’s hard for people. Yeah. And you know, Trump approved operation warp speed.
So, I gave money to Trump, you may have given the money to him, right? All of us did. But this is what is going on. And the working people must wake up and recognize that they have no interest in supporting this because their freedoms are being removed, their health is being destroyed, and truth is being concealed.
And so what we have now is what you call this collusion between both wings of the establishment. They’re running literally that WWE worldwide Wrestling Federation.
That’s what they’re running when I was a kid. Kathy, I used to watch. You know, those wrestling people. It’s all fake, right? But when I was 12 years old, we thought it was cool. We stay awake at night, watch these things. But both sides are just nonsense.
I mean, come on. I mean, DeSantis sending the people over to Martha’s Vineyard. Yeah, it’s a nice stunt. Right. But you will go talk to people I know in Florida. They had to keep telling him about the election issue. He didn’t do anything. Friends of mine are doing stuff. So they always watch which way the wind blows. Okay, everyone’s here. Now I’ll say something because it’ll give me ratings.
Those in power are never going to do stuff that’s necessary to be done at the right time. They will do it when it’s opportune for them. They’re opportunists. opportunist, opportunists.
And this is why working people at every cycle gets screwed.
And the question is, do people have self respect? Do they want to take accountability? And do they want to learn? And do they want to commune and we’ve created that environment for people to do that?
So by hearing to this point, some people may feel then you know, for example, in the upcoming midterm election, how people can vote then?
Well, here’s the bottom line. Okay. What people should ask themselves? Is this a wrong question? My view don’t take this the wrong way. The question is, why are you focused on the midterm elections? What are you doing right now? Why are you always Why are you letting the elites drive what you should do to change your world? This is a fun every two years for you, they have a cycle, right? So they sent out all their and then he was only what are you gonna vote for? You’re gonna vote for wrong question.
You know, you can judge this consciousness of somebody by their questions that they ask, Okay.
The question should be, what should I do to empower myself for the future. And what we’re telling people is, number one, understand this dynamic of left and right. Understand the science of systems, we’re giving people tools number to
do something every day, something small, take 510 minutes, and we get people activities to do. So you feel empowered. Number four, be part of a community of other people getting this so you don’t feel desperate. You don’t get divided into left and right. You don’t have to choose a camp, you say?
And this is the infrastructure we’re doing. We’re giving people a massive gift. We’re saying number one, get your head clear. Stop this brainwashing. Do you want to get your it’s like people are abused. And they want to keep being abused. Okay. Do you want to get out of that abusive relationship? step one. Step two, do you actually want? Do you really care about your children? Do you really, really care about your future? If you do, then you will understand this dynamic and you will do something every day to break yourself out of that, which is go talk to your neighbor, have a discussion. Hey, where are you wearing that mask? I’m not and by the way, do you know it’s really about public health? And we have a whole step by step where you can have discussions with your family and your neighbors that are split up. We teach people that so now you have tools. Invite
lead people to a discussion.
This is a way out of this. If people want to be like a dumb dog chasing its tail, they should keep talking about oh, what’s going to happen in 2022? Or is DeSantis, the next one, and after DeSantis it’ll be someone else and someone else and someone else. And each iteration of that cycle, people are going to be more and more enslaved. And you know, who’s gonna make the money? DeSantis makes money, Trump makes money, Biden makes money, Hunter Biden makes money. Tucker Carlson makes money. Fox News makes money. CNN makes money.
So, what do you think as people still,
you know, can trust the system? For example, the election system? Well, my issue is that both parties, what we discovered, okay.
Is there a fundamental issues, okay, fundamental issues that our campaign brought out, our lawsuit brought out.
And those fundamental systems are something both Democrats and Republicans do not want to address, because they’ve been both abusing the system’s fundamentally valid images are supposed to be saved. Where are they?
The images from my own campaign, they deleted? These are federal law violations. Trump’s Department of Justice didn’t do anything. No one did anything. Trump didn’t even do anything about it.
When I met with Trump, I said, you know, they don’t even have your I said, you know, the cyber ninjas guys haven’t given us a ballot images. Do you know what he asked me? Told me, Kathy? He said, What are ballot images?
He didn’t even know what ballot images are yet he’s made a half a billion dollars raising money off of this. Okay, number one. Number two, the entire chain of custody, and the signature verification process is flawed. These are fundamental issues. So there are enough places that both Republicans and Democrats know that they do not want to talk about. Meanwhile, the right wing took the issues that we brought up and they talked about, oh, yeah, the elections are being hit from Italy. You know, Mike Lindau nice fellow sells pillows all day on this.
He’s making money selling pillows off election fraud.
It’s really awful.
He doesn’t talk about the real issues.
He’s selling pillows, you see people take issues. And the Republican the Democrats do this too, with climate change. Right? They’re selling electric cars.
And they don’t want to talk about the fact that electric cars and you plug it in, is connected to a coal power plant, right.
So the only way out of this is to raise people’s consciousness.
It’s the only way out. And if people are serious,
we’ve created the infrastructure to do that we’ve created the school, we’ve created the training, we’ve created the community, it’s here. So my view is we don’t really want to,
we don’t really want to,
you know, convince people, there are enough people who are getting it. And our goal is to really educate people. And our view is once you educate enough people, they will educate their community. So it’s, so the issue is, if you want to be on that track, imagine a train track which has a Ferris wheel on it, that’s really this current electoral process system, it’s, you’re just gonna be going around, and then you’ll get off the train in 2022, you’ll be quiet and then 2024, you’ll get back on the train. It’s like this nonsense. But if you want to be on a very different track of raising your consciousness, if you want to really become a full human being if you really want to truly be an adult, and truly care for your children, you’ll start really looking at this beyond left and right.
You know, yeah, it sounds like it’s
relatively long process isn’t? No, it isn’t. It isn’t. What’s interesting is, if
you ever watch water boil,
when does water boil? Kathy? It boils at exactly a certain point. Exactly. Right. So we have people been watching my videos for two years, right? And then they’ll take the course. And they’ll go, Oh, my God, I get it.
But if you don’t go to truth and health.com, you don’t take the course. It’s all you just hear, Oh, I love what Dr. Shiva is saying, Oh, he’s very smart data. And then they take the course and they understand the not so obvious establishment. And then they go, Oh, I get it. I have to go on the ground and do something. I have to go talk to my neighbor. You see, I’ve been an activist all my life. When I was at MIT, we started our own newspaper We used to meet people. People don’t understand they have to interact with other human beings physically not on social media.
all day. This is very hard. So you will see people will go like this, they’ll listen and then boom, they’ll have this awakening of consciousness. In the book system and revolution, which I have I defined what revolution is. Revolution is at a certain point. Things happen. Okay. Revolution in your consciousness. So we, you know, we’ve taken 30 years of knowledge and we’ve consolidated into a course. We have people handhold you through the course you can take, it’s self paced, we have a community, but we’re doing enough activities where we’ll turn on that thing and people you say, so some people get it right away. Like my friend Frank had been screwed enough times left, right, left, right, Obama, Trump, and then he got it right. Other people don’t follow people for way too long. All right. Other people will take the course. But they may not get the not so obvious establishment, they have illusions.
And then finally, they’ll get it.
But it is a process, but we’ve made it. So think about it this way. You could spend the next 20 years of your life voting Republican voting Democrat, voting Republican. And then you wake up when you’re 90 years old, you go, Oh, my God, I wasted my life.
But here, we want to stop that suffering when people say okay, I get it. Now, when people are given this foundational knowledge, now they can make a conscious decision whether they want to remain stupid, or they want to get wise, you say, some people are not ready. Okay? The guy’s telling the truth. Everything here is right. But I have to let go of a lot of my illusions. I’m not ready. You said I’m saying. It’s like they’re not ready to stop being addicted to something. Right? It’s an addiction.
It’s an addiction to a system. That’s not going to get you anywhere except get you enrolled into that system. And it ultimately comes down to do you want to take, do you have respect for yourself? And do you want to take personal responsibility?
That’s really the fundamental question.
So yeah, I don’t know how much time you still have. This one news just came out. I think it’s, you know, the as the midterm general election coming up, the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency just announced that they have election experts say that the post election audits confirm ballot, tabulating machines are highly accurate and all those media’s reporting that you know who you are, first of all, do you know who created Siza?
You said it’s Trump. Yes.
Trump created Siza.
Okay, the head of the agency went against him, right? Yeah, but the bottom line is, look,
it’s like this. If you’re gonna go into power and say, I’m anti establishment, I’m going to clean the swamp, right. Well, you gotta go do that. You can’t later say, Well, yeah, you know, I’m gonna go Yeah, right. It was not my fault, blah, blah, blah, right. He created Siza Syska created that infrastructure that allowed government to have an unholy alliance with big tech. So that’s the first thing, but yes, Siza in the if you go, let me show you something I have to enter when we did our lawsuit. Can I share the screen again? Okay, then.
When we? Yeah, I mean, we did the most important lawsuit of the century with, let me show you that.
Hey, John, can you see this on stream? Just make sure. Can you just check if this is showing up? Some people are saying they can’t see it. Just
do you see this? Kathy? Yeah. Okay. So we built this site. We’re doing our lawsuit. It’s 2020. I filed all my own lawsuits. We won in federal court, multiple lawsuits. One of the biggest thing we discovered was this
picture, you see this? This is the entire so I was thrown off Twitter by this woman. Okay. Who is the state election director of Massachusetts. She contacted Twitter. And what we discovered was that she has a relationship with the National Association of State election directors. I’m not going to get into detail but we figured out see here sighs over here.
She sits on the board of Siza.
And over here is all these people at Harvard who had created all of these documents, which are the censorship, infrastructure documents that govern how any American citizen can be thrown off social media, but unlike the CCP, they launder censorship. So they created this thing called ISAC.
So if they see Dr. Shiva Deray exposing this individual here, they launder censorship. And we exposed we found the documents and I’ll show them to you we could do a whole nother thing on it. We literally found the documents, what are called the playbooks written at Harvard, which are called the election influence Operations Guide Book. This playbook goes into gross detail how if you criticize an election official, the step by step process, how you will surveil them, track them, and throw them off social media,
who create this playbook. Great question. Look at the authors. The authors are Amy Cohen, who was involved in throwing me off Twitter, this is National Association of State election directors. The authors are the government of Massachusetts, the authors are Twitter legal right here.
And Siza. We discovered this, we gave it this was in 2020.
So our lawsuit is the most historic lawsuit, frankly, on the planet, okay. And everyone should be covering this, but no one wanted to because it was pure truth. And it exposes all the nonsense.
So that’s what we’re talking about our movement has always and if you go through this, it was every, every detail. It was me and the judge in court, we asked the social media director of the government, how did you throw off Dr. Dr. Shiva, oh, I have a special VIP portal to Twitter. And you can go through all of this. But these are the most important things. There is a specific document here, which goes through gross detail. And these are all developed at Harvard with funded by the Atlantic Council, which is funded by the Queen, okay. And it goes through detail the four stages of countering election influence operations. And step by step, how you identify someone, how you track them, and how you throw them off, and how you monitor them for the rest of their lives.
Okay, so we expose all of this cafe. And it’s all in documents. Nowadays, the elites don’t even lie. They simply do whatever the hell they want.
And it’s all out in the open.
We have to do the dirty job of exposing this. So you have to ask, do they really want to stop this?
And what I’m trying to tell you, over and over we teach this is those in power via Trump or Obama or DeSantis. Or whoever the hell it is.
They don’t want to end this day rather talk about oh my god Biden is attacking us. Donate me money for the Trump justice fund. Oh, my God would do give a green New Deal. Click here. 50 bucks.
They’re making money. They’re never going to solve the issues. They don’t have an interest in solving the issue. When you have $3 billion in the bank.
Hunter Biden and Tucker Carlson are like this.
Tucker Carlson writes to Hunter Biden to get you know, a resume for his, you know, recommendation letter Come on.
People need to wake up, wake up is what people need to do and recognize left or right. Establishment leaders have no interest in you if you’re a working person.
You didn’t have a Collison exposed the hunter Biden’s laptop. Really did he he said, Go look at what he said. He said, Oh, no, no, the USB.
He said, he said, Oh, we shouldn’t go attack him that much.
He’s I mean, they’re friends. Do you understand? Kathy, these people are one elite circle. Look, I used to be married to a woman who was an actress in Hollywood, okay. I’ve had the chance to live in many of these circles.
And I betrayed many of the elite, okay.
I’ve been at the highest levels at MIT. I was at the highest levels in the Indian government.
I’ve hung out with all these Hollywood people. They’re all one circle left and right.
They think they’re better than you.
And when you talk about quote unquote, socialism code, it is this collusion among these people. Left and right. It’s a game.
It is a game for them. Why does Trump ask people for the Trump justice fund? Does he not enough have enough money? Why is he asking working class people
Why does any Why does anyone give these politicians any money?
You have to ask this question.
Yeah, here’s a message for me
All right, I think all right. Yeah. So I think yeah, it’s we’ve been, it’s been like almost two hours. Yeah. Very, you know, very informative, in that. I really appreciate that you, you know, share with us. So, yeah. So yeah, what’s the takeaway? I think the biggest takeaway is the following. The takeaway is, you know, that
we have created a framework, which has never existed before in history. Think about when the airplane was first created, we have to understand Bernoulli principle, right? There was, you know, people tried to fly for many, many years, right. And they would fall off cliffs, they tried wings, right.
And people said, All flight is impossible. We also are in the same state. When it comes to social systems, we say, Oh, well, it’s just the way it’s going to be right.
The Republicans and Democrats, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils, right?
We have figured out the science of systems, so people can think for themselves and go beyond left and right that technology, that infrastructure, is in a very humble way we’ve created. And so people now have a choice. Do you want to remain on that dog chasing the tail? Or do you want to get educated or remain enslaved? Do you want to be smart? Or do you want to remain dumb? It’s that simple. And that’s what truth, freedom and health is? Do you want to understand that? See, the elites
have a nuclear weapon, they understand the science of systems. And everyday working, people are walking around with bows and arrows, they’re never gonna be able to defeat them. So I fortunately was able to learn all this stuff, we’ve been able to make it. So it’s a gift to working people. And we want to ensure that people at least have a fighting chance. So the goal is, do you want to be educated? Or do you want to be enslaved? Do you want to have self respect for yourself?
You want to be accountable? Do you want to be an adult and you truly care for your children?
Or do you want to play the stupid game all day long? I tell this to a lot of people. Well, Trump said something nice. Oh, AOC said this, I go. You’re a child go back to class, you didn’t learn the principles. Okay.
So the fundamental issue is, we’ve created an infrastructure, truth, freedom and health.
Take advantage of this, do it for your future, do it for your family, but get off this dog chasing the tail, or decide that you want to actually remain dumb and keep chasing the tail. That’s okay, too.
You know, people we know, we say, Yeah, I’m an alcoholic, and I just, that’s what I want to do.
Great, at least they’re being more honest. So you have to come to become honest. But, you know, it’s it’s a technology. It’s a movement. It’s an infrastructure. It’s classes we’ve created, if you want to do it, great. If you don’t, that’s also fine.
That’s it, Kathy. Okay, yeah. Could you send me some of the, you know, information you mentioned? Like, I think, oh, especially the material relates to the cheater.
court case. Yeah, go to win back. Yeah, win back. freedom.com. Win Back. freedom.com. Everything is out there. It was me against seven lawyers three against Twitter. Three. No, no lawyer wanted to take it. We did it ourselves. We won many cases. In fact, the judge just simply wanted to put me back on Twitter to quiet me down. He wanted me to drop all the lawsuits against the government. I wouldn’t I refuse to I wouldn’t settle. Alex Berenson settled. You know, he’s part of that little refusenik elite.
We’re outside of that. You say pseudo refuseniks?
So was it any one media report on that case? Oh, yeah, there was alternative media report reported it.
The issue is a true bottoms up movement like ours will always be invisible in the mainstream media because we’re the real thing.
The mainstream media will never report on truth, Freedom health, because it’s the real thing.
They will report after the building is burned down and then they’ll create their own fake heroes. That’s the nature of it right? Because they want people to be manipulated by fake heroes.
yeah if you just allow me one minute is I was meant to ask you so the emails is an email you created
versus now everybody’s using by what is there a difference or no so this is what’s interesting these people after went into submission they said oh, what he created No, it’s the exact same system
is the fundamentally the car different than it was created before? It has those two wheels, two things, etc. Right. So when this went into the Smithsonian, you had wiki pedia
create all called me. I was called all sorts of horrible names. I can repeat them. You can bleep them out asshole Dick fraud. Gawker Media call me these names. They said this curry Stein, Indian should be beaten and hanged. Why? Why? Exactly why? Because during the 30 years ago, I didn’t promote myself. They had found a white guy with glasses and a beard and nothing against white people. But he fit the narrative of a nerd who had simply done text messaging.
And Raytheon, the defense company had branded him as the inventor of email when my stuff went into the Smithsonian. It was like a skull, a new skull was found in Africa.
And the abuse that I underwent
was disgusting. People said all the email that you create, no, it’s the exact same system. But the problem is you weren’t allowed to do software patents in 1978. You say?
Copyright doesn’t protect all the parts the design.
So my system went into the Library of Congress, and then other people started replicating it. Look at everything I had in my system. It’s all the same parts. So these historians, many liberal historians,
wanted to denigrate the fact that email wasn’t invented at MIT, Harvard by the military, it was created in Newark, New Jersey, you see, the narrative is that all great innovations must come from after you go to MIT and Harvard. So you can drop out of Harvard, like Zuckerberg, OR gates, and then you’re anointed as someone intelligent, you say. So I invented many things when I was at MIT when I was on the front page. But I said email was invented before I came to MIT. Kathy, this is dangerous, because it means innovation can occur anytime, anyplace by anybody.
Eventually, you know, that organization which, four years later, I found a lawyer. We sued Gawker Media, we drove them into bankruptcy. I got a million dollars and still on Wikipedia. They call me a conspiracy theorists all this because,
in fact, a Wikipedia editor wrote to me goes Shiva, I attempted to give you credit for the invention of email.
And I was called this name this name, this name. He goes, your article on email is so volatile, as big as abortion and the Second Amendment. You know why Katherine? Because email was invented before I came to MIT.
This is very fundamental.
The invention of email is a story that should be shared everywhere. So all these people well, I don’t know if email that he created then is different. Some people even said uppercase email is different than lowercase email.
The disgusting nonsense if I was blond haired, I hate to say this is not being racist, blond haired, blue eyed. And maybe my last name was a Jewish name. I’d be on every stamp on in the United States, guaranteed. And I had invented email at MIT.
And by the way, a 14 year old boys want to invent a TV 60 years it took them to get the full credit, but the facts are so obvious. The the the question on this is why was there even any question? I wrote the code name, did email and have the copyright
I mean, some people said a curry stain Indian should be beaten and hanged for even claiming this. Four degrees at MIT Fulbright Scholar front page of MIT. The issue is and Walter Isaacson, the liberal elite during in 2015, he wrote a big book, called the innovators of the digital revolution is an email part of the digital revolution, Katherine?
Well, you ask people, isn’t it?
What in his book, he talks about all the great inventions of the internet? He left out email.
All the people in there are all again, white people should not take this seriously. It’s not against white people. Everyone is a white person who invented stuff. No yellow people, no brown people, no black people.
And all of those people were from the military industrial complex, big universities, big military, you say?
The truth is that if you create
something out of the elites.
Great innovations must come after you go to MIT and you get anointed see the problem they have with me Kathy is I went to MIT, I created many things. But I also did stuff before I came to MIT. And typically people like me are dead before they write the histories you say,
or after they write the history.
The invention of email is the most powerful story
because it exposes not just the fact a 14 year old boy invented email, but it exposes the elites. Bullshit, that all great innovations must come from war must come from big business must come from big universities.
By the way, a Michigan mechanic is the one who created the wind wiper, a 14 year old boy Philo Farnsworth create a TV 60 years later, it took them to get their credit he deserves. But everyone listening to your audience
should recognize that the invention of email is really about your child and his future because it says that does he need to go to MIT and Harvard or Silicon Valley and then he gets credit.
The problem they have with the invention of email is I have all the code. I named it email, I have the copyright. And then people say, well, uppercase email is different than lowercase email nonsense. Noam Chomsky, the great linguist said, that means you’d have to have two dictionaries. Car capital car is different than lowercase car. You see what I’m saying?
It’s just irrational, a child throwing tantrums.
All right. Yeah. Thank you, again, for your sharing. Yeah. So you should a couple of sites, you may want to use their inventor of email.com. You may want to write this down. When back freedom.com You’ll understand our whole lawsuit. Everything’s documented. And truth. Freedom health.com.
Everything is documented.
All right. All right, Kathy. Very nice speaking to you. Yeah, I mean, I speak Yeah. Be well be the light. I
wish you well, thank you for calling us. Thank you for all the work you guys do and the recording.
All right. Thank you. Okay. Be well take care. Bye bye.
So, to everyone listening, that was an interview I just did with a, a organization. And she asked some great questions. But all of you listening, if you’ve sat here for the whole afternoon, you have a choice to make today, is it? Do you want to really learn this and you want to get off the left, right? Habitrail. If so, go to truth, freedom, health.com become a warrior contribute, it’s nothing. You guys waste a lot of money, doing all sorts of other things. I know many of you spend money in wacky ways I’ve made it so accessible.
Or come to our orientation, which is this Thursday. And you can learn you can meet some amazing people. But regardless, you need to support this not for me, but for yourself. You have an opportunity to stop, you know,
chasing your tail. And I just put a thing down there VA, you can go to the orientation, va shiva.com/orientation registered, but support this stuff. You know, we have a huge movement of people who are starting to learn this. And if you learn to sweat, you got to learn this again. And again and again and again. But we’ve created the infrastructure, it’s a gift for you. You have no excuse. We’ve created that nice, beautiful infrastructure. You come there, you’re gonna learn the science. You’re gonna get a great community people and every week, we coach you, you know, do this little thing this week, handout 20 flyers. So you can go to bed every Saturday or Sunday knowing wow, I actually did something. I’m no longer desperate. I’m no longer hopeless.
So get off your butts.
And do your historic duty. Okay, you have no excuse. All right, we’ve created on a silver platter. And if you want if you think I should charge like $50,000.05 $1,000 and that’ll make it more prestigious for you to take it. We can do that. Okay, but we made it too accessible perhaps are very accessible because we want to help working people. So I hope this conversation was valuable. But take advantage of this. It’s really for you, okay, and get off this left, right bullshit, okay. Or,
you know, don’t get educated and continue to be abused. I just want to end with this video. And get off your butts. We hope to see you on Thursday. support this movement. It’s nothing you’re supporting all
The infrastructure that we’re creating for you. Let me play this video. And I wish you all well watch this video, it will inspire you, we have allowed our country to be taken over from within. And the end goal is you will have a homogenized world where we will become slaves, because there is a condition among the elites that really thinks they’re better than you. Deep down inside them, that you don’t deserve the freedoms you have. They don’t this reality is what people need to wake up to. And we need to all unite working people, there is only one movement that can do that. That is the movement that we started creating here messages, the movement for truth, freedom, and I’ll look I’ve been a student of politics since I was a four year old kid, studying revolutionary movements, left wing right wing, there’s a physics there’s a nuclear science to destroying the establishment. To build a bridge, you need to understand Newton’s equation, you need to understand the laws of gravity, you need to understand Poissons ratio, there is a way to build a revolution. And that’s why I put this together. My goal is to train a army of truth, freedom and health leaders. We don’t need followers like social media, we need leaders, but they they need training because educational system does not teach them history, nothing. So in three hours, that’s what I’ve started doing. That’s the solution. We got to train people. First with understanding what a system is. The second is understanding the interconnection between truth, freedom and health. Freedom is the ability to move freely communicate freely, right talk freely. Without freedom, you cannot convert ideas, hypothesis into truth, which is science. And without freedom, you can’t really get to truth and without truth, you make up fake problems and fake solutions, which means you destroy our health. And without health, which is the infrastructure of us and our body. You can’t fight for freedom. Third concept is it has to be bottoms up working people, people who work united. And what the right wing has done is whatever you say working people unite, that must be communist. Meanwhile, they’ve let the Democrats run unions, which suppress workers, completely corrupt. But when you look at the arc of American history, it’s been when working people came up, we need to go local. Every solution I’m coming up with as a part of this movement, we’re giving the science which is a truth. And then we tell people what they can do on the ground. Like with election fraud. You don’t need to wait for some lawyer. Our goal is to train people they have to go local to go local to go local fight locally. Forget lawyers, forget politicians, forget celebrities, you’ve got to learn politics, and there is a science to it, they lock us down we should be ready to shut them down. And the fourth part of this principle is a not so obvious establishment. So when you look at a system, there’s always something that disturbs you from getting to your goal when the biggest disturbances the not so obvious establishment, which are those people who claim there for you on the left and the right, the Al Sharpton to tell black people I’m for you. The Tucker Carlson’s. Do you think any true anti establishment person will ever be on Fox or CNN? I don’t think so. They both mislead working people back into the establishment without this solid understanding of political physics and theory, you’re screwed, you’re going to follow on the left wing Bernie Sanders Oh, he said something or Robert Kennedy scumbags. Or you’re going to follow you know, some right wing talk show host. They’re not going to lead us deliberation, it’s us. And that political physics, it’s a nuclear science of change. Bottoms up. We have to organize to understand that there is people who talk a good game, and then look at what they actually do left and right. I’m sorry, Sean Hannity may say some good things, but I don’t see the urgency in his voice to get something done. And it can only come when you weaponize yourself with the right knowledge, you need to be able to identify a rat. You know, Christ didn’t go after the Romans, right. It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees, who screwed him up his own quote unquote, people.
And that’s where we’re at. So these four concepts are built into a curriculum, people can go to VA shiva.com. And it’s an educational program, we need to train people in political theory, you need to have physics, and I’ve created that curriculum. People need to get educated, we need to get educated fast. And within half an hour, an hour, I can teach people two years of MIT control systems, I teach people those concepts that I apply it, anyone can understand it. And then you say, Oh, I gotta build a bottoms up movement. They have to get politically astute. And then they have to go locally and act not sit there on social media, they have to act locally, defy locally, do civil obedience locally, but with knowledge on how to build a movement, and the Senate campaigns expanded to the movement for truth, freedom and health and they can find it on V as in Victor, a Shiva V A shiva.com. So people can sign into it can get access to a bunch of videos, if they want to take a course and become a truth freedom health leader, I offer a full scholarship there, but we want people to make a commitment that they’ll study that they’ll get certified that they’ll go do activities on the ground. So go to V A Shiva victory Ameri
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Alright, everyone, I hope this was valuable it was a great interaction was two hours and 10 minutes.
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