In this discussion, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, Inventor of Email, Scientist, Engineer, and Candidate for President, shares his observations on who Lawyers actually serve.
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Let me just start again. We have our open house, which we do achieve a first president. We have about 150 people here. We have close to about 800 people here live, and we always want to educate people and this town hall is on innovation, but I really want to talk about who are not innovators.
And that’s how I want to begin this. And as I shared in the, when the United States was created, they created 3 different branches of government, the executive branch. The president, which is about enforcement, the legislative branch. Which serves. The people the representatives, which are here by the people for the people.
And then we have the judicial branch, which is supposed to interpret the laws. Okay, and the judicial branch involves judges and another group of people called lawyers. And what I wanted to mention was when the revolution took place, people thought they were fighting to destroy the concept of the nobility that You know, the ideas of primogeniture, which basically said that there’s a king and only the king has a direct connection to God and we all have to bow down to the king.
The American Revolution was about saying, no, we don’t want those that model. We want a democratic model where it’s a government by the people for the people. So that led to these 3 branches of government. Okay, the unfortunate thing is that 2 of the branches, you could argue, make some substantial headways, but many will argue that the judicial branch is 1 of the most backward branches.
It is a branch of government that when you walk into the courtroom, you’re walking back into the 12th or 15th century. And one of the reflections of that is when you look at how you’re, if you hire a lawyer, how he signs his name, it’ll be John Smith, ESQ, Esquire. Esquire is a title of nobility in the feudal model.
It’s one level above gentlemen and one level below knight. Okay. So it is. a title of nobility that we never let go. All right. Moreover, a lawyer is paid on billing you not by getting a job done, but typically by the hour, right? And that’s one, one deal. So the longer a problem goes on, they make more money.
The longer problem goes on, they make more money. But the most important thing to understand is that a lawyer is not working for you. He’s working for the nobility, in this case, the government, a lawyer is not working for you. He’s working for the government. And you may want to write this down a thousand times on your mirror in whichever way you want, because it’ll really awaken you.
If you ever hire a lawyer, why you have to, still watch out for yourself. The lawyer may be an instrument of procedure and policies, but ultimately when the shit hits the fan, and if it’s, you are challenging the government or the establishment. The lawyer is going to choose them 99. 99999 percent of the time.
You may be lucky once in a while. Okay. If that’s not true. Okay. So that’s very rare that could be happening. Okay. But you should assume and let them prove otherwise that it’s not true. So let me give you some experiences. Okay. I’ll give you a recent one. Okay. I’ll give you two, one, two of them.
Okay. In Massachusetts, in 2020, we are running for office. It’s the middle of COVID. Some of you may remember, but in fact, I’ll give you one experience even before that. Okay. In 2017, there’s so many I’m coming up with now. We ran for office against a woman called Elizabeth Warren. Our campaign slogan is only the real Indian can defeat the fake India.
So step one was we needed to get enough signatures to get on the ballot in Massachusetts. We had to get nearly, 20, signatures. We got them. Only about 10 of us and which is one of the hardest things do we put up signs all over Massachusetts. So we got a lot of visibility, a lot of hard work and no one thought we’d get on the ballot.
But we did it. 10 of us collected close to, 20, 25, 000 signatures to get on the ballot after we got on the ballot. We ran as an independent, so I was the independent candidate for Senate. There’s another guy called, we called him Dirty Deal. He was appointed by the Republicans, a complete idiot. And then the Democrats had Elizabeth Warren.
Now, they have something called the debates, where you have a debate stage. By all legal principles, I was supposed to be on the debate stage. Because the way they choose to be on the debate stage is they do polling. You have to, at minimal, be polling 10%. And I was polling at 10 percent or higher. So they had to put me on the debate stage.
The Democrats and the Republicans got together and made sure I was never invited to the debate stage. You can go see, we did a protest. My dad did a sit in. My 80 year old dad did a sit in Elizabeth Warren’s office. You can go see it all online. And then I hired a lawyer. And this guy was supposedly the best lawyer in D.
C. Who would do this? Okay. So we hire him and he files a lawsuit. He’s got all the evidence. And we get a preliminary injunction because, the court is going on. The election is going on. We need to get on the debate stage. So this lawyer on the date of the hearing, I found out that his best friend is a guy called Paul Ryan, who’s now on the board of Fox News.
Okay? And he also was representing Paul Ryan, who most Republicans think is a really ultra right rhino. And because he realized at that time of my political positions, I was against the swarm and all this, He literally threw the case. You could see it. He fucked up the case on purpose. He didn’t want me getting on the debate stage, challenging the Republican RINO, who was a friend of the establishment and a friend of Paul Ryan.
He was not servicing me and we get, and we raised, Oh my God. I think we raised like 70, 000 and we gave him 30, 000. We gave him half of our money and he fucked up our case. Okay. Lawyers do not serve us. They serve the swarm. Give you a second example. Election of 2020. We are running for office. It’s COVID and it’s COVID.
And people are walking with masks. A police are out there saying you can’t hang out in front of stores to collect signatures. And remember in Massachusetts, where was one of the president setting cases you can get signatures. In front of a grocery store, regardless. We were on our way to get 25, 000 signatures.
The government gave a special ruling to a moron called Kevin O’Connor, who was my opposition candidate in the Republican primary, that he only had to collect 5, 000 signatures. So I sent in a lawyer of mine who I’d known for 30 years, who used to do HR for me, and I said, Tim, go take care of this. What did fucking Tim do?
Tim’s family was very close to the government of Massachusetts. He didn’t want to perturb anything. He didn’t want to challenge the secretary of state. And he came back with his tail between his legs and said, she, I think you should accept this. This is okay. And I found out that he was negotiating to be good friends with the general counsel of the secretary of state.
And I remember Michelle, if she comes, was screaming at him. I said, you fucking prick. I said, I’ve known you for 30 years and you sold me out
sky. I knew for a long time. All right. He served the government. He wanted to have connections with the government because he gets business deals. They have relationships. The lawyers are part of the government. Please understand that. We paid him money, but he doesn’t give a damn. He want, they want, they’re part of that brotherhood of the government.
They will never challenge the government. He didn’t want to challenge the government. Give you an example, and you can look this guy up, Howard Cooper. He’s with a firm called Todd and Weld, one of the number one firms in the country in First Amendment and defamation, supposedly, right? As many of I was representing myself in federal court.
Winning winning. Everyone will tell you. I did the lawsuit myself. We exposed the fact that the government has a backdoor portal into Twitter in 2020, long before fucker Carlson. We then exposed all the playbooks we discovered, how the government had manufactured all of this infrastructure long before fucker Carlson, long before all these fools.
Everyone knew about it. Half a billion people in the world knew about what we done. Anyway, the judge says, you’re doing really well on your own. I think you can do better. I’m going to give you a lawyer, the number one first amendment attorney to help you. Okay. And when a federal judge says that you listen.
So we took this lawyer on. He had seven weeks to brief my case and make it better. Our case had seven claims. First claim was I wanted to get back on Twitter. Second claim was I wanted to sue all these government officials and we had amazing predicates of law. He was supposed to brief it up even better than supposedly I was doing, even though my briefs were great.
So would survive appellate review all the way up to the Supreme court. Three, he had seven weeks to fucking do this. This guy, three weeks before it’s due three days, he says, I think you should drop all the claims against the government. You’re going to be a hero, but drop all those claims against the government, which is the case.
And he thought I would be a house slave and I would agree. I didn’t, I fired him. And remember now in three days, I had to do the work of seven weeks. People tell you it was like 2000 pages of briefs I had to do. And this guy served the government because see his firm doesn’t want to perturb the secretary of state’s office.
In fact, they are, their offices are across the street. He’s part of the swarm. He would have loved to put me back on Twitter and for injunctive relief. And they would have had their little martinis with him and the judge ride their horses. By the way, all these people ride horses. It’s interesting. They all ride horses and equestrian clubs.
That would have been fine, but he did not want me challenging the government. All right. All right. Let me give you a recent case. Is Nicholas here? Nicholas here, there, right? So as Nicholas was arrested falsely. Under the charges of trumped up charges of third degree trespassing with a trumped up third degree.
And they claimed that Nicholas had gone into the store and collected signatures, which he did not do. He had the legitimate constitutional right outside to collect signatures. So we hired him a lawyer. It was very hard. I think I spent three whole days just finding these guys. And we had we got a lawyer to make sure to defend him on the criminal complaint of what is it?
Trespassing. And as I’m sharing with you, I said, Nicholas, be aware that the lawyers will always sell you out. Nicholas? Remember I mentioned that? Yeah, you told me. How many times did I tell you that? Multiple times. So anyway, we had a pre case hearing with the lawyer. And now every criminal case, when they’re dismissed, they’re always dismissed with prejudice.
Always. Because according to the Constitution, you cannot try someone for the same crime. Okay, civil cases. It can be with prejudice or without prejudice. Okay, but we wanted our case was so strong against the police of what they had done to Nicholas. The way they treated him was what you treat a criminal that we want to no stipulations.
No stipulations means like Nicholas can do anything he wants, absolute dismissal. And that’s what we agreed with the lawyer, but I, but we said no stipulations. The court hearing takes place. Nicholas is, 28 years old. He’s never been with this, but he has the courage to go in. He has the courage to stand up.
But the lawyer when the court hearing starts, and by the way, this occurred with Walmart, for some reason. We knew what he was doing. Calls the two employees of Walmart, takes him outside and has a deal making conference with them. If you want to watch a movie where this is all brought out, you may want to watch justice for all without Pacino.
Okay. Justice for all. And it tells you that all of these two bit lawyers, all they’re doing is they’re never wanting to fight for principle. If someone’s accused of a false crime, they’re striking deals. They’re striking deals in the back room. Write that down. They’re striking deals in the back room.
Write it down. They learned to strike deals, to negotiate, to get drunk together, to party, to strike deals, and the deal making they’re doing is to always sell their clients down the river. They serve the government. Why? Because every lawyer, guess what? Every lawyer wants to be. He wants to be a judge.
Every lawyer wants to be a judge. Please fucking write that down. Every local lawyer wants to be a judge, so he doesn’t want to piss off the judge. He wants to be friendly with all of his other lawyers and the judicial system. You’re not in their club guys. You’re not an Esquire. You’re not part of their nobility.
Okay.
Now, if you really get what I’m saying, you will save yourself a lot of heartache in life. So we had clearly told this lawyer, no fucking stipulations. If they want to dismiss, dismissal with no stipulations. The lawyer wants to be a deal maker, the prick. He talks to the Walmart employees and then pulls Nicholas out with one of his family members.
And obviously this is a, anytime you go into court, it’s, for new people, it’s new, right? And he convinces Nicholas that he’s getting a good deal by paying them 25 bucks. And agreeing never to go to Walmart for two years. When Nicholson’s done nothing wrong. That’s called a stipulation.
It’s bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Struck a deal. Now, the lawyer looks great. The judge is happy with the lawyer. Wow, you got rid of this case. Walmart is happy with the lawyer. Who probably will fund this lawyer in some time in the future. If he ever runs for office. the Walton family. Who gets fucked is Nicholas,
okay? Because now we file a civil suit. We at the civil suit will say, hey, why did you agree to that deal to not to go to Walmart if you were not guilty? And you have to explain that now. So the lawyer sold us fucking out. So I asked Nicholas. We had a two hour conversation. So Nicholas, what did you learn from that example?
Lawyers are the enemy of the people. What’s that? And they work for this.
The lawyers are the enemy of the people and they work for the state. Exactly. They don’t have the interest for the people. Yeah. It’s unfortunate. We got a dismissal, but with stipulation when there wasn’t needed. They want to make you feel good, right? The lawyers will always sell you out when it’s you against the government.
They will always choose the government. The less than years, if you’re going to take on the government, the establishment, you better off doing it yourself, right? They want you to plea bargain. Someone said, even though you’re innocent, there’s a lot of innocent people incarcerated in the prison systems in the United States.
The prison systems in the United States are public. Some of them are public prisons, but there’s a lot of private prisons. Some of them are on the stock market.
It’s basically slave labor. They put people into prison and then, they do all sorts of stuff when they’re in prison. It’s a business. There is an incentive to put people into jail. Nicholas, when they put you into jail, they stole your money, right? And they took money out of your wallet, didn’t they?
Yeah, they stole about 90. They didn’t even tell you they had jail fees, right? So they make money putting you in prison. And then they tried to send me a check two weeks later and it wasn’t even a full amount. So the working people of this world need to get their head out of their ass. The lawyers aren’t representing you guys.
Don’t be naive. If you hire a lawyer, you got to watch them like a hawk. You have to watch them like a hawk or represent yourself.
Because when you walking into, when you walk into the courtroom, you’re walking not pre 1776, you’re walking 12th century, you’re walking to medieval Europe. And the lawyers are a club.
They’re not innovative. They don’t want to take on the establishment. They don’t do death defying acts of heroism. They don’t. They serve the establishment. They need to keep the status quo. They need to make sure they don’t rock the boat. It’s one thing, you’re using a lawyer for some business thing or for some estate planning, right?
But if push comes to support you against the government, It’s the government. Someone asked what’s happening, the outcome of the Twitter case. We’re escalating it. We’re going right after Sisa and I’m doing it directly myself. It’s already been filed. We’re going to be serving the the defendants in that case include Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Sisa, everyone.
But I, I need to share this with you guys because if you don’t learn this you’re really going to be fucked in a very practical way in life. The lawyers can be really nice people, very diplomatic, wonderful people, man, but they will rip you off when push comes to shove between you versus the government.
They work for the government. They work for the government. They work for the state. This is why there are so many lawyer jokes because they’re all true. All the lawyers jokes are actually true. They tell in your face what they’re gonna do to you. I saw this with boobie fucking Kennedy when we did this massive protest.
In New Jersey, militant protests, which stopped the government from passing the vaccine mandate bill, he was all pissed off because he wanted to strike a deal with the Democrats and come out as a hero. Everything they do, guys, is backroom deals. They are the ones who are the heroes.
They do not want us to challenge the government and us to be heroes. So if you’re going to hire a lawyer, mark my words, you better watch them like the hawk and you better tell them what you want to do. So in that case with Nicholas, it should have been absolutely no, no fucking stipulation. No.
Let him go because you know what? The lawyer doesn’t want to piss off the judge. So 99 percent of the time you would have said, okay, fine. Let this troublemaker get away. Okay. They don’t want the problem. Someone said they’re not that diplomatic from experience. Rather arrogant. Yeah, they’re arrogant, but they will appear they will sell you what they want on behalf of the government in a very diplomatic way.
Okay? So I hope this is probably one of the most important lessons. I’m sharing. I had a attorney who just passed away after 40 years. He came from working class backgrounds from nothing. He was a capital policeman, went to Georgetown on his own. Knew the Kennedys very well, met all of them and said what scumbags they were, but he was a working class guy.
There are very few attorneys like that. You’re, so I was very fortunate to have someone like that. But it’s very rare. Okay. And if you’re negotiating with lawyers it’s a difficult thing to go do not. If you go on hourly, you’re normally going to get fucked. Make sure you do something with them on a per project basis where they are incentivized to make sure that your success is connected to their pocket.
Their wallet and their, success. So that’s what I wanted to share with you guys, and the reason I can talk so openly about this is cause I’m not a lawyer. I’m an engineer and a scientist. And I’m running for president of the United States. They will never attack their own.
If you’re in a courtroom, the lawyers will call their lawyer, my brother, my sister. Okay. They’re in the club guys. You’re not in the club. So please understand that. Okay. Let’s take some questions on this issue. And we can talk about more, but I wanted to really give you guys the opportunity in this town hall to really appreciate what the legal profession is about when it comes to you versus the government.
If they’re representing you. So let’s take some questions. And by the way, to people on, okay. Someone Ramsey ine asked what happened to the woman happened to the lady attack, arrested for collecting signatures? Good question. Great question. In that case, the police came to court. They supposedly we’re going to present evidence and videos and they had no evidence of video.
So the judge postponed the case. Okay, we have the evidence and the videos clearly showing that our volunteer clearly expressed to the police. that she has every right to collect signatures. In fact, a store manager told her she can collect signatures at a location. The cop showed up 56 men, big men.
This woman is a 73 74 year old woman. And they surrounded her, and then she took out her camera and took video pictures of all of them documenting the fact that they were telling her to leave for trespassing. She turned around to gather her groceries to leave, and then they went and got a woman to jump her, literally, and throw her against the car, slam her, and take her away to jail where she was attacked twice by other hoodlum prisoners.
So we have the videotape. They don’t have any videotape. So I think the court got moved, I think next week. And we will be sharing to everyone stories of all of our heroic volunteers who are out there collecting signatures, how they get harassed, and how some of them actually victorious in converting, educating the police and winning too.
We’ll share both sides. But you will see true Americans out there exercising their citizenship. This movement is for real people. This movement is truly by the people, for the people, and we are educating ourselves how to not get fucked. And if you have problems with that language, you need to really fuck off and realize.
That this is the way the world is. And you need to let go of your naivety because you have problems with cursing. You’re probably a very naive human being, and you don’t really want to address things as they are. Because the world is made up of Zionist cocksuckers, and I’m the only presidential candidate who’s not a Zionist cocksucker.
It’s just fact. Okay, so get with the program. Learn to curse at the right time at the right people using the right curse words. Teach your kids to curse. It’s very important. All right, let’s go to Saber. Go ahead.
Saber has a question. We have close to 2000 people live.
Sabre, go ahead. Crystal, do you want to select him?
Hello? Hey, Dr. Shiva. Sorry, I was I just got asked to unmute. I just want to say thank you so much for this incredible information because I had a story actually a few years ago pertaining to that very thing you’re talking about. I had I a third party for a union.
The university of michigan union, which is pretty large I had a manager actually make some racist remarks and we got proof of it. We got even multiple Of our co workers to give statements, but you’re not a single lawyer with the moment you mentioned university of michigan They’re like, oh you got to go to the union and deal with it You know, they don’t they wanted nothing to do with it.
So I just I really it’s quite remarkable you said and I agree with everything you just said. You nailed it on the head very well, Dr. Shiva, and I’m really happy to hear that, that information is coming out to a lot of people because that’s just the beginning, honestly. Yeah. Lawyers, by the way, Saber, we’ll get into a case.
Okay. It’s very important to understand just to screw it up, just to fuck it up. Yep. They get in the case because remember they’re working for the government. They get backroom deals that you don’t even know about. They get kudos by the the judge. You have no idea of the crap that goes on the clubs.
They belong to literally clubs that they belong to, that they have familial relationships with people. So please understand this, that it is us against them and that them are the lawyers because they serve the establishment. So if we’re going to use them, we have to use them very, judiciously.
Let’s go to Elena from Australia.
Elena, go ahead.
Can we get Elena, someone asking why isn’t David Ike interviewing you? You gotta answer your own question. Alright. Can you hear? Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, go ahead Elena. We’ll come back to that. Yeah. So Dr. Shiva, where and how can just then people learn how to represent themselves in coal? Yeah, so we’re, we are seriously thinking about doing some courses on how to do that. Elena every country is different, right? But we may as look, our movement is teaching people how to be leaders. That’s different health movement. Our movement is teaching people how to be health educators.
That’s system. So our movement is teaching people how to do great science. That’s, what we’re doing with the Open Science Institute. Our movement is teaching people how to be innovators. That’s with Innovation Corps. Our movement may need to start our own legal training group. It’s another thing that we need to do, but it may be one of those things we have to do, Elena.
We may have to do. Yeah, look, we do our movement, and we don’t ask for donations or funds, because I hate doing that. But those of you out there, you can contribute to our movement by taking the course, getting involved or contributing if you want, because we have a lot of people who do volunteer work, but at a certain point, we’re going to meet people, who give up their time that they may just need a little bit of money to do it full time, you say, so everyone can support that boobie fucking Kennedy is raising 10, 15, 20 million on lies.
that he’s gonna get signatures to get on the ballot. He’s just pocketing that money. It’s a scam. He’s running. Lawyers run scams. They want money. Our movement wants liberation. So Elena I’m seriously doing that. I’m right now filing a lawsuit myself. It’s gonna be a couple 100 pages, but it’s been day and night work.
On doing that. These lawsuits are not easy because it’s like solving a very complex systems problem, but I’d rather do it on my own than trust anyone else because it’s too important. But I really wish I’m glad you said that. Yes, Dr Sheila yourself. Yeah. Yeah. But it would be nice to have a team of us in truth for health.
We train to be lawyers. I can train people. It just takes time and like anything, effort, so please do it. Okay. Someone said before I go back to a question here, why isn’t Davey, David Ike, David, I actually did a whole couple of blog posts on us, but remember, he’s the guy who talks about reptiles, this and that the reptiles are running the world and they may be running the world, but.
I don’t think he’s building a movement, right? He and the fact that, people tell him he should cover me, but then he does, he’s allowed on Alex Jones with Elon Musk, he started, there’s a nouveau establishment being created. The Neo establishment of Joe Rogan, fucker Carlson, Trump, Kennedy, there’s still part of the swarm.
So remember the establishment always needs, it’s not so obvious establishment. So they have to create that. And right now I put I key in that area until I see him do otherwise. So remember that dynamic, we teach people in truth, freedom, health, the physics of this. If there’s the establishment, they have to have the NSOE.
If the old establishment is dying and they’re creating a new establishment, they’re going to that new establishment has to also create its own, not so obvious establishment. It’s just the nature of the yin and the yang that they have to create to manipulate us. It’s a physics. Okay. Someone said Ike is an alien.
He’s weird for sure. Someone said it’s a distraction. Yep. All right. Let’s go to the next person. Archie on the topic here.
Can someone select him?
We can’t hear you, Archie. You gotta come close to the mic. Can’t hear me? No. Nope. Your mic is very far away.
Yep. Let’s go to Dustin Anderson. Go ahead, Dustin.
Dustin is from Illinois. Go ahead, Dustin. Hey, Dr. Shiva. One of the roles of the attorney that you see in America is used to divide the family, and I’ve experienced that here in the Chicago area. Dustin, speak louder. Yeah, is this better? Yeah, go ahead. Speak into this. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so attorneys are used to divide families, which is part of destroying America and the cohesiveness.
And yeah, it’s just comical how these guys operate. The one notorious firm in Chicago is a firm called Beerman. And if you think of what they use to divide families, a lot of times it’s alcoholism, they’ll say, Oh, he’s an alcoholic. And so the firm’s called Beerman. So they’re constantly saying beer, man.
And it’s just a trip to say, Oh, you need another drink guy. And. Troll people. Yeah, you can’t find a good divorce attorney. And then they work with therapists to suggest that everybody gets divorced. And it’s really sad. A lot of families destroyed in America because of this. Yeah, look, the reality is we as working people have to recognize I shared this with Nicholas that we, we come into the world as doves and the goal is to leave as eagles.
We come into the world as doves, the goal is to leave as eagles. What that means is every most of us are very naive, good hearted people, guys. We think the best of other people. It’s hard for us to believe people would be like this, but they are. So we have to get wise. We have to recognize that if we want to win and destroy the swarm, we have to be very wise.
And that’s what our movement is teaching people. Don’t be naive. Don’t be dumb. Don’t be fucking stupid to think Kennedy is your Savior or Trump is your Savior. You are basically being used. Don’t think your lawyer’s working for you. He’s working for the government. Like this is the stuff that parents should be teaching their kids, from very early stages.
There’s a very wonderful core story. Lawyers at the end, you have one of these banisters, where kids can come sitting and come coming down on the stairs. And the lawyer says to the kid, go up there and come down and daddy will catch you. So the kid comes coming down and the father doesn’t catch him.
He lets him go and he goes, what did you learn? He goes, learn never to trust a lawyer. So people have to learn. Unfortunately people go through this learning from bitter experiences. So the whole goal here is when you look at, let’s say the experiences I’ve had and the things I share because I am so accessible, sometimes people may.
Not have the same gravitas. If I were to wear a tie and live in, do the celebrity thing and only expose myself five minutes on a phone call, but I’m not like that. So the things that I share with you guys are coming from real experience and the hardest thing for people to do is to figure out who in life that they should listen to.
And the one way you can figure out is look at that person’s history. Where have they been? What have they said? What have they done and the consistency of their actions? Okay. And so we, as working people, if we want to shatter the swarm, have to really raise our consciousness and our wisdom. You cannot afford to be a dumb fuck.
You can’t fumble the ball. If we want to win, you fumble the ball, we lose years. So these are hard things that have to be shared. But our movement is the only movement on the planet, which is educating people on waking up and getting conscious and, making eagles out of doves.
That’s what this movement’s about. Number one, one of the ways you become a wise person is to learn the science of systems. And if you’ve taken the course, take it again and again, read the books again. There’s a lot of depth there. Number two, get involved in helping us collect signatures.
We need to get on the ballot in every state. We have just gotten signatures in two states where the deadline was. We beat the deadline. We got more signatures than needed. Boobie fucking Kennedy couldn’t even get a thousand signatures. He went and colluded with the state.
So you want to live an honest life and you want to be around great people come to our movement, go to truth, freedom, health. com. Become part of this. If you want to be a pool and you want to be screwed over and you want to follow idiots, Go for it. We’ll be here, but you can waste your life. Let’s go to the next person.
Oh, hello UK here again. Yep. A question so if It’s that difficult to sue the government or authorities Is it advisable to steal by public maybe write a book or? Documentary anything to expose what they are doing and introduce people to a better movement like yours So what are your thoughts about that?
Which is the strongest way to go? Oh, which is the strongest? First of all, here’s the path state that number one there can be no fundamental change without understanding, without having a framework, what I call the right systems framework. And that’s what we’ve created. It doesn’t exist without that framework.
You’re going to spend your whole life trying this and then trying that. And you may come across it. It’s if you want to play tennis, if you want to play golf or if you want to play baseball, you could throw your arm out all different ways and try to throw a fastball. Nolan Ryan, one of the greatest pitchers who used to throw him like 110, 120 miles an hour.
He had a lot of talent, but he used to throw the ball everywhere until he found a good coach who gave him the framework and overnight figured out all the, all these mistakes that he would have made. He solved within hours. It would have taken him 10 years. So the decision is, we have, the decision is, do you want to take a life where you make all these mistakes and you end up 80 years old and you’re saying, shit, yeah, I’m a wise person, but look at the arduous route I took, or do you want to find a framework that exists, leverage that so you save 60, 70 years of your life.
And number one, you need to have the right framework for change or the right chain to build anything. That’s what we’ve created. Okay. The second thing is you need to be in the community of other people who are committed to change And want to grow and get educated which is what our movement has And third, you need to also be in an environment where you have the opportunity to be given some disciplines of actions that you do.
Go collect signatures, go hand out flyers, right? Mobilize this, so you get this experience of actually doing something that matches and supports a theory. In many ways, it’s not that we built this framework, but as a part of that framework, we have some goals. We have leaders in UK. I don’t know if Michael Griffith is here or, um, we’ve set up leadership all over the world who can help you and all of our leaders, by the way, guys, they have to go through training and training.
It’s constant. So we’ve created a framework. In some ways, you can think about a university, but that works at a much faster pace, and it doesn’t charge you. You don’t leave with $500,000 in debt or whatever it is. I’m definitely joining the program. You are exactly what I’ve been looking for the framework because I knew what I wanted to do and wanted to do a movement.
I didn’t know how. So you are giving us that. So I encourage anybody who’s listening that isn’t doing it, I’m joining you guys. Definitely. Thank you very much about Mike. Is it Michael? So I’ll Yeah. Michael gr with Michael. Yeah. Mike, you can connect with Michael. Yeah, Michael will connect with you and we have hundreds.
In fact, we’re doing, I think Saturday they’re doing a dinner. And a standout in the United Kingdom. So all of our people are starting to do activities. We have people in all over the world. So it’s really, as Andrew said, you get as much as you put in and literally we’re creating a serious gift for people.
So get involved, if you made it this far, watching all those videos, you got it. Now just pull the trigger. Thanks. Take that. Let’s go to Tracy. Oh, sorry. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Let’s go to Tracy Peters from Kansas. And then I’m going to look online here if there’s any other questions.
So everyone online, we have close to 2, 500 people online, 2, 500 people. To those people online, let me just take a quick quote unquote commercial break. Go to truthfreedomhealth. com, get involved. You can go to shivaforpresident. com. We have those bumper stickers that you see behind me. Get one of those.
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com. Support yourself and support what we’re doing. All right, let’s go to Dr. Sheena. Yep. Go ahead. I think Tracy has a question. I’m going to know. Got it. Can you hear me? Okay. Dr. Sheevan. Who’s that? Yes, I I had a question regarding the course and trying to tie it with. It’s very applicable of what we’ve been educated this evening about the judicial and the lawyers that are basically manipulate us to think that they’re fighting for us.
One of the things I was wondering about is where does time fit? With any system, like, how, because that’s 1 thing that we were, that’s been discussed in the course is and open system. You have 3, you have the 5 elements that comprise an open system, but there’s also another not it’s not literally obvious, but we are bound by time.
So how does that apply? Yeah, it’s a good question. So Tracy’s asking, so when you, to everyone listening. We teach people engineering system science in a very accessible way that the elites learn. And that’s one of the innovations. That I’m proud of that we’ve been able to do educationally to learn, teach and serve model.
You learn it, you teach any server, but what you learn is every system in the universe has a goal intelligence systems and they try to achieve that goal over some time. So Tracy, those in power know that a human being has a limited time frame on this planet. You follow? Yes. They know that every 20 years.
They can manipulate people. You say it’s about a 20 year cycle, 20 to 30 year. So a new generation comes and for that new generation they will draw them out by creating for that generation. It’s not so obvious establishment. You say and so they have a farm team of these people act like they’re fighting for you.
So if you go back 20 years ago, 30 years ago, who did they have? They had Bernie Sanders in the United States, right? They have this guy, Jeremy Corbin in the UK. It’s always been there. It’s a big NSOE, right? But every generation they farm, like they farm their swarm characters. And so one generation gets manipulated.
And then by the time, they’re 60 or 70, they realize, Holy shit. Bernie Sanders screwed me. Jesse Jackson screwed me. Al Sharpton screwed me. But by the time the next generation comes, they have a new set of swarm creatures. Trump and booby and they make the snake. You follow? So sure.
They are banking on this very powerful. Um, they’re banking on this very powerful concept of burden. Okay? So they know that the number of people who awaken to what we’re sharing is always one or two in any generation. Tracy. Okay, so in the 1960s, 68, it was probably one guy, Malcolm X, who got it. You see what I’m saying?
Yes. He was just starting to get, he didn’t understand system science yeah. And then he go ahead and then he dies. And then for the, since the sixties till now, the only person, I started figuring this out in the eighties. But it was only in late 2000s, mid 2000s that I started organizing a movement.
But now we have half a billion people who know about us. We have about half a million people in the movement. And then we have leaders. We’re establishing. So Tracy, one person who gets this is very powerful. 100 people get it. You have a revolution. Okay. And you don’t. So that’s why our movement is so powerful because we’re going at the root of the root of the evil.
And we’re educating people on that evil. And then we’re creating leaders. We’re creating, thousands of Malcolm X’s with the knowledge of system science, and they’re not banking on that man. They were banking on a guy like me getting burned out or becoming part of the establishment. You say?
Yep. So time I had. Yeah, so time is very important because the, I just want to finish this last point. People also have this very unfortunate view of time thinking one day when the world gets really bad, people will rise up. You know what I’m saying? One day. Things will get so horrible that people rise up.
You follow what I’m saying? So yeah, absolutely. It’s a delay tactic of telling people to wait for the messiah to come or wait for the savior to come and that never happens by the way, it’s never going to happen Okay, i’ll put that in writing what is going to happen is more decadence more darkness Will you know, envelop people until people in an organized, diligent manner consciously say, we have to build a movement and learn these principles.
That’s when time accelerates. Tracy anyway, I hope that answered your question. And I had a 2nd, 1, 10 to that, but it’s yeah, it’s I, we find it. Oftentimes it’s used as a disturbance. Employed as a disturbance within the system. The question. On a open system, the open system, how does that how is time still an element within an open system?
I don’t know if that makes any sense or not what I’m trying to say, but, you have entropy, even on circuit boards, even if it’s an open system. And there’s the only application is used isn’t a dump system scenario. You still have time as a degradation, but how I guess my question, the ultimate question is what why isn’t it in an integrated with that an open system.
Having the 5 input output. Mo you know, there’s time that embodies with that sit within that same system. Does that make any sense? No. Let’s talk about this offline. Okay. Okay. Because I think you have to formulate your question a little more clearer ’cause it’s hard for me to follow exactly what you’re saying.
But I appreciate your question on time. But let’s do a follow up. And by the way, to everyone listening every Mondays we do a live version of the course with teachers educating. And then on alternate Tuesdays, I actually answer questions and I actually ask questions. Let’s bring it up there, Tracy.
Let’s take two more. It’s 10 38 and then we’ll wrap up and I’ll see if there’s any other questions here on you. Hi, Dr Shiva. I just had a quick question. You were talking about lawyers. Could you apply that same philosophy to what happened to Donald Trump? I always felt that Rudy Giuliani was throwing the case and ultimately this Michael Cohen, who was Trump’s fixer ended up testifying against Trump.
So is it possible that Trump was thrown under the bus by his lawyers? I don’t know. Have you gone through the program on you? You’ve been around here for a while, right? Yes. I’ve signed up. Yeah. You should go through really understanding the dynamics here. What do you think? I never felt that Rudy Giuliani was interested in no.
Go back to, do you think Trump is some naive character that was quote unquote, thrown under the bus? I think he knows more than he’s letting on about the way things work. Yeah. So I want to direct your question, not back to Rudy Giuliani, right? Because I want to direct, because you’re asking an important question is, do you think Trump is just some naive guy who just happened to make bad decisions?
And poor old Trump, he got surrounded by bad lawyers. Do you think that’s really the case?
Yes and no. I’ve seen all the people in his administration that he kept hiring. He kept firing and that was more like theater for me than reality. And the lawyers, I, I honestly think Trump thought he was going to get back in, but the powers that be had a different take on what was going to happen to him and ultimately he had to submit.
So why do you think he is some victim? Because he’s always being they’re always coming up with a new reason to go after him. There’s always something, if if it is, even that case about what he did calling Raffensperger in Georgia. I knew what he was saying. He knew that those votes were being those, they were bogus votes.
Let me ask you this. So he gets into power, right? In 2016.
Why did he get Fauci a commendation to work 12 hours before he left office? Because maybe he thought he was going to come back and he needed as many friends as he could get. Okay, let me ask you, why did Trump sign Stisa into law, which is the law that destroyed the First Amendment on November 16, 2018?
If he is so for the first amendment. I don’t think he understands a lot. I really, I think there’s a level of sometimes I think he’s a dumb system. Okay. Why do you think Trump allowed Jared Kushner into the white house and gave his? father of pardon who was blackmailing his own brother in law with a prostitute, but did not pardon Assange.
I doubt I can’t answer. I don’t know why he would not, because then he’s not for truth, freedom, and health. He’s all about power, profit, and control. Yeah. Why did Trump let me ask you another question. If Trump is so naive and dumb, right? Why did he take money from Wilbur Ross to bail him out?
And Wilbur Ross was heading up the debt equity group at Rothschild Inc. And he was completely bankrupt. Why did he take his money? Which essentially made him a pawn of the Rothschilds. Why did he do that? Because he didn’t want to lose everything. Huh. All right. What would have happened if he didn’t take the money?
What you’re saying is this guy who’s a multibillionaire is just a poor old victim. Look at how you’re answering all these questions.
How much money do you have in your bank account versus him? It’s probably an order of magnitude, right? Absolutely. Okay. And he has access to all these people and yet you’re excusing him. Does it not sound like an abuse victim? Does it not? No get what, from the public view, he looks like a victim, but.
Was he going along with Rudy Giuliani? Did he know what Giuliani was really going to do to him or not? So what you’re saying is Trump is naive and dumb, but he should be, but we should let him back into office and be the president of the United States. Oh, I don’t know.
I don’t think that after listening to you, I see that where his favorite, it isn’t about the country, ultimately it’s about. Taking care of his own himself and his own. I don’t, I’m not a Trump supporter. Now we’re getting somewhere. So Trump is highly conscious of his own self preservation and making a shitload of money, right?
All right. Do you know that even though he was given a judgment against him about 450 million by New York, that this week he’s supposed to get 4 billion dollars? From truth social. Are you aware of that? No. Isn’t the timing quite extraordinarily coincidental? He gets a judgment for 450 million and then he’s going to get an equity deal of 4 billion.
Will they, is that information available on mainstream media? What do you mean? That that 4 billion he’s going to get. It was on the front page of the New York Times. Okay. All right. No, I didn’t know that. Okay. Yeah. No, he said, Oh my God, he’s going to be, he’s going to have to pay 450, but he’s very lucky because he’s going to get the opportunity to sell his shares and to social, which is okay.
No, I wasn’t aware of that. Do you know, he made a half a billion dollars off the election fraud stuff and he never solved election fraud. And I know you were talking about that. That’s why. So here you have a guy. Who is just a victim who makes a half a billion dollars here, another four billion there.
And then he brings his son in law and his daughter in who got an interest free loan of two billion dollars from the Saudis. Okay, think about the numbers we’re talking about. And it goes on and on. But he’s just a poor old victim. Think about what you’re saying. He comes across as a victim.
The news is always skewering him about something. And don’t get me wrong. It’s not that I’m supporting him. But when you’re talking about lawyers, they, if I don’t know if he was cooperating with them behind the scenes. Rudy Giuliani around for nearly 40 years. Yep. Okay. Do you see Rudy Giuliani in jail? No.
Do you see Michael Flynn in jail? No, and I think he should be. Yep. Do you see Mark whatever his name was? Is Michael Cohen? No. Michael Cohen went to jail. I’m talking about his chief of staff. Oh, Mark Meadows? Yeah. Yeah. He’s not a lawyer, but yeah. Yeah. Anya, you need to see things as they are because it is your thinking that forces a lot of people to be subjugated.
It’s a real naivete.
Okay. Yeah. I know. I know what you’re saying. I just wanted to see. No, the bottom line is it. Don’t you get it? It’s all theater. And I I never felt that Giuliani was going after the truth. I never did. I’m talking, you’re talking about Giuliani. I’m talking about Trump. You’re still in your mind.
You’re not grasping it. And I’m going to end this conversation because I want you to go reflect on this tonight. Meditate on it. Trump is part of the swarm heavily. He may be on one wing of the swarm or another wing of the swarm, but he’s part of the swarm and he profits from it. He’s never, I don’t doubt it.
I don’t doubt that. It’s the fact he’s never gone to jail. Every time a farm bankrupt, he’s been rescued, okay? He’s bought and paid for it. Okay. He allowed farming, which was tanking, to make 60 100 billion. Okay. Look at the facts. Don’t see the world, not through rose colored glasses, but what it actually is.
All right. Thank you. Stop giving Trump so much leeway. He’s a big boy. He plays golf every day. Suppose he has big brass balls. Okay? Very good. Thank you. Yeah. Just stop it. All right.
Got Noel in Texas. Noel, are you collecting signatures for us? We haven’t seen you in a while. What are you doing? You’ve been around our movement. We need you to get signatures. Are you doing that? No, I’m not. Can you hear me? Yeah. Have you started collecting signatures? No, not yet. I apparently have to sign paperwork to be able to do that.
We told Kevin that we’ll be your electors. We haven’t heard from Kevin. What’s that? We haven’t heard from Kevin. Oh, okay. Okay. Crystal will connect you to the leaders there. We’ll connect you up. How are you guys doing? And what’s the question? I got a question for you. We’re doing great.
Thank you. When you become president, are you going to advise criminal defendants to give up their 6th Amendment rights? What do you think about that? I can’t hear you. About the 6th Amendment. You guys are really muffled. Can you maybe not cover your microphone? Whatever is going on there? Yeah. I lifted up my iPad.
Can you hear me better? Yeah, please be mindful there’s other people listening. It would be nice if you can speak into the mic. Can you hear me now? Yeah, a little echoey. The question was what? Yeah, the 6th amendment. Are you going to advise criminal defendants and the president to give up their 6th amendment rights?
I don’t understand why, what are you saying that this, the Sixth Amendment is really guarantees, criminal criminal defendants, right? That was Nicholson’s situation. You want people to give that up? No, I’m asking you if you want people to give up their right to assistance of counsel.
Since I’m what?
I can’t hear it. No, maybe. Yeah, maybe sound is better. Maybe you can. Yeah, maybe something about. Let’s go to the next question because I can’t hear. No. No, maybe you can text it to us. Thanks.
There’s only one left. It’s Archie. Archie, is it on topic?
Can’t hear you guys. What is wrong with everything? Seriously. Everybody check your audio. All right, let’s just Crystal, it’s late. I got to go finish up stuff, but it was really enjoyable having these questions. We have a lot of people listening. We have close to 3000 people globally, but to everyone out there this was our town hall.
In summary, we talked about the judicial system, about the role of lawyers. But the fundamental issue is we are building a movement, and our movement is educating people on the fundamental science of what it takes to build a movement. We without any holes barred, we do not want people to get lost in naivete about how the establishment operates.
Um, I had that conversation with Anya Zee, more importantly, to let you guys understand that kind of consistently giving someone like Trump, who’s supposedly a multi billionaire, part of the swarm, so many excuses is precisely what leads to fascism, leads to your subjugation. And you have to reflect and ask yourself, why would you give someone who has so much, it has so many opportunities.
So many excuses. What is it in you that looks at these people who will not give you a blank unless you pay the money? What is it in you that wants to give these people so much leeway? And you really have to ask yourself that. Okay. All right, everyone. We have a couple of events tomorrow. We have.
We are deploying in 2024, lots and lots of solutions. So we have our solution that educates people about how the body is a system. We are enabling now a whole generation of system self educators to go through. We gave people away a very powerful tool called your body, your system. And then we realized, giveaways.
A lot of people didn’t fully value that, but they do value it when it comes through an educator. So that tool will be accessible through educators who are being educated through in many ways through our System Self Institute, which is a very powerful way to really create a new generation of people who want to take systems approaches to medicine.
So tomorrow, Crystal, you can maybe put that up. Maybe there’s a link to the events or Emily, if you guys can put it up on the zoom. So please join us in that. You guys will enjoy it. There’s a lot of great people you’ll meet next week to weekend. I think the following weekend we’re holding a systems health workshop here in Cambridge.
I hope you guys can join us for that. Everyone listening, all 3000 of you on social media and people online, go to truthfurtivehealth. com, become a warrior scholar. Go to truthfurtivehealth. com and, you know, get involved, connect with your email and on social media so we can keep in touch with you.
And finally, I am running for president of the United States. There’s not been a candidate like me for a long time. And there’s a historic opportunity for all of you to get involved. On this call on our town hall, we have people from every part of the world every part of the United States who are leaders, emerging leaders, young people, older people, who are all going through their journeys, but they’re all committed to really want to grow, be it Crystal, be it Nicholas, be it Jewel, be it Daphne in Norway.
And it goes on and on. So you have an opportunity. To work with amazing people. Someone says anyone here in Oahu, Hawaii. Yes. If you want to come to our next to everyone listening out there every week we host our events, which is our open house. You can go to the open house, va shiva.
com slash orientation. Every Saturdays we have our volunteer meeting. Go to shiva4president. com, sign up to be a volunteer, get a bumper sticker. These are things everyone can do, but our movement is a movement of action. Your character is determined by your action. So take action, do a little bit of less social media, scrolling and do a little more action.
Okay. And it’ll go a long way to fundamentally changing yourself in the world. So get involved. Crystal. I think I’m done. Is there anything else? Any other announcements? I think that’s it. Thank you, Dr. Shieva, full time. We’ll follow up with our features video and tell people how to sign up.
Yeah. By the way, Booby wants Aaron Rogers for his VP. I have a great VP, Crystal Ellis, who actually works for a living, works her butt off as a family, goes out in the middle of the winter to go collect signatures. And we are meritocracy based. We’re not looking for the next celebrity to put on our ballot because it looks good.
Our campaign is good because we have great people. There’s nothing to hype up here, but that’s what they need to do. Anyway, everyone get involved. This is a meritocracy based system. And you can rise as high as you want and help as many people as you want, but get involved.
Thank you everyone be well, be the light. Thank you. Thanks. We can
play the. She’s got already loaded. All right, everyone, I hope that was valuable before I leave you all. I’m just going to play. A video which will hopefully inspire you to get involved in our campaign and be part of this historic movement to win truth freedom. Who would have ever thought I’d be running for president of the United States of America.
I was born a low caste untouchable in India’s caste system, a system of aristocracy, oppression, and racism. My name is Dr. Shiva Iyadurai. I’m an MIT PhD, a Fulbright Scholar, a Scientist, Engineer, Entrepreneur, and Inventor. My family and I left India to come to America on my 7th birthday. I grew up in the working class neighborhoods of New Jersey.
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