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All right. Joining us now is Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai. He is running for president. And I tell you, it really is an eye opener when you get involved in the political system like this. His website is shiva4president. com. Shiva4president. And as we’re talking about, we don’t talk about ballot access specifically, but there’s a broader issues that are involved here as well.
And you look at the headlines. And the Republicans are going to go on offense to yank Biden from the ballot in various states and they’re cheering that in the the MAGA press and then even got to Santa saying if they kick Trump off the ballot, we’re going to kick off Biden off the ballot in Florida.
They’re angry about this because these 2 parties have been colluding for the longest time to control ballot access. And that’s what Dr Shiva is running up against. Thank you for joining us, sir. Great to be here, David. Thanks for that background. Yeah. You could tell people what’s going on right now with this immediately, with the ballot access, but I know there’s other issues there.
But, what is happening with that? What is it like to try to get on the ballot? It’s crazy, isn’t it? What’s interesting, David is in the United States, if you’re running for some office, let’s say, in your local state or city or county, et cetera and it varies from state to state, county to county.
The election people run the elections typically, who’s known as the secretary of state, they set up different requirements for you to get on the ballot. I’m making an example. If you want to run for dog catcher, there’s 4 people. And let’s say it’s a voted election. See, you have to, before you can even run as a dog catcher, you have to get certain number of signatures to be on the ballot.
If you’re running for the United States Senate in Massachusetts, the number was, you need to get 10, 000 signatures that are bona fide signatures that they validate. And you have to pay them to validate these signatures as well. Yeah. In some places you do, you have to pay a fee, et cetera.
And typically, if you would need to get 10, 000 bona fide signatures, you actually better collect 20, 000 because they want to, if you’re an outside candidate, they’re going to start throwing away his signatures. Oh, the slant is wrong. Oh, we can’t read it. So they have all these methods. But what I want to let everyone understand is to get your name on the ballot.
They have a hurdle 1 of the hurdles, and I want to talk broadly about this hurdle, but then more broadly about all the hurdles they set up. So working people, everyday people can never get someone like me, 1 of their own, even winning an office. And I want to talk about that. But ballot access is 1 who gets visibility is another piece.
And even if you make it over there to those things, they have all these mechanisms on election day to flip votes. And we’ll get to that. But ballot access is. The central aspect of democracy here, which is you have to get, fulfill the requirements of the state to get X number of signatures. And they’re called ballot nomination petition signatures to get on the ballot.
So I have experienced this level of what I call election fraud, the larger framework at every level over the last 5 years. So let me begin with the ballot access process, right? So when I ran for office, David, in 2018 against Elizabeth Warren, we needed to get 10, 000 signatures to get on the ballot.
Guess what? We did it. How did we do it? We actually had amazing volunteers who stood out in the cold and rain in front of the shopping centers and collected. How did they get on the ballot? They actually collect money and they pay consultants. To do that, and the interesting thing, David, is I never saw Elizabeth Warren.
I never saw any of the other candidates. Ever collecting signatures. So part of me is convinced that they have another method where they probably have a boiler room where they have people writing signatures. I can’t prove that yet, but I can tell you over the last four years, I never saw them collecting signatures.
I don’t know how it works in in Massachusetts, but I know that in North Carolina, where we worked the Democrats and Republicans had to do nothing, they didn’t have to collect any, they grandfathered them in and they said, you will, they had a thing set up, so they kicked. All the independent and third parties off each election cycle.
They said, you got to get a number of votes as equivalent to 10 percent of the votes cast for president, or you not going to stay on the ballot. And we said, that’s crazy. And so every time you’d have to go back and they eventually had a lawsuit and got that lowered, but they still have to go out and.
And collect the signatures. The Republicans and Democrats do not have to collect the signatures. They just float through it. And so it is something that is an extra burden to waste your time. It wastes your money to do that because we had to pay for the signature variation validation as well.
So it really when we, they had it in the lawsuit, the argument was, this is like the Greek Sisyphus legend, right? Where the guy pushes the boulder up the hill and then it rolls back down. He’s going to do that for eternity. That’s what exactly what it’s like in most of these states. Yeah, so in 2018, we had amazing volunteers.
We got on the ballot and that blew them away, right? In 2020, we got on the ballot again. Hard work. We had working people, every 1 of our volunteers, none of them was paid David. They had full time jobs, mothers, retired people, working class people, and then they would go after work and stand for 2 hours. And very diligently collect signatures, so we played by the rules.
Yeah, now. When you run for president, as I’m doing right now, as David, you mentioned Shiva for president dot com, people can go look at what we’re all about. But every state right has different requirements. To get on the ballot, there’s no uniform set of requirements. In Utah, for example, we have to get a thousand signatures to get on the ballot in Massachusetts.
We need 10, 000 in Florida. We need 130, 000. They make it a percentage of the last governor’s race, right? If you add up all the things, it comes close to 1. 5Million signatures you need. Yeah, all right. Again, as you mentioned, David, the Democrats and Republicans are 2 multi billion dollar trillion dollar parties, whatever you want to call them with all the backing.
They don’t have to collect any signatures. They’re de facto ruled it. And this is anti democratic if they’re going to all follow the rules. If you are an outsider, independent candidate or anyone else, you have to collect those 1. 5 million signatures. Now, how do you do it? If it’s legitimate. You have volunteers who love you who are willing to be dedicated.
They go out and collect. Now, I call him boobie effing Kennedy. He’s acting like he’s an independent, but he’s totally support Zionism. He’s, he is for full vaccination of all Americans. He’s a complete duplicitous individual. He has positioned himself as if anti fake anti establishment candidate.
In Utah, David, you needed just 1000 signatures. And so what he did was he went and did backroom deals. Oh, I don’t have, I can’t collect these signatures and then goes online and begs for people to give him money. And some big pack gave him 15 million to collect signatures. 15 million. That means he has no support.
These people don’t have real working people support. They’re from the swarm from above. And so for him, he’s got a war chest and he’ll go pay consultants who are his friends. 10 bucks a signature. That’s how we calculated it. 10 times 1. 5 million in our case. In Utah, I actually went out there.
We, in a few days, we collected, we trained our volunteers, 500, 600 signatures, boom, done in a couple of days. All right, so how do you collect signatures? This is where it gets even more interesting. For ordinary people like us to collect signatures, we have to go out into the world into the public.
The typical place that people have found consistently the best place to collect signatures. If you have a retailer, like a grocery store, like a Harman’s in Utah or a Whole Foods or a Star Market, you typically go stand outside. You have your, your pad and you say, hi, would you like to put a candidate on the ballot?
Most people who sign say yeah, I want to, even though they may be Republican or Democrat, the egalitarian nature of people. Yeah, I want to see more people and they sign. They do now. They do. And that’s the thing that’s interesting is, and we saw that when we would do signatures they’d say I don’t necessarily support them, but I think we ought to have the choices that we need to open.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And it wasn’t about. So now what happens for the, Okay. A young volunteer who’s enthusiastic, they come to your campaign when they typically go out in front of, let’s say, a whole foods or store. The store manager will come out. Hey, you can’t be here collecting signatures. This is where.
The intimidation begins, the store manager doesn’t know the rules and then the typical volunteer will say, oh, really? And they’ll leave because they’re afraid. Yeah, but the educated volunteer will say, no, I have the right to be here. Because there have been Supreme Court rulings, state Supreme Court rulings.
And so where it gets very interesting since going back to 1939, 1980, 2014, many rulings. Where the courts did the right thing here, David, they said, okay, in fairness for everyday working people to get on the ballot, they have to go to these areas where there’s lots of people. And what the courts did, and they did the right thing.
They said, during an election cycle, so that’s the 1st predicate. And second predicate you’re collecting nomination signature put on the ballot and the person collecting is not harassing. People are obstructing the way. Guess what that private property gets super the private property rights get superseded by the individual’s constitutional rights quite amazing.
So the issue is, the court said, okay, yeah, that person owns that parking lot. Yes, it’s private property, but you have a lot of people going through there. It’s a town square. And so the court said during an election cycle, and when they’re collecting nomination signatures, and they cannot be obstructing harassing people, they have the right to collect nominations signatures.
1 of them was a pruneyard ruling that went up to the Supreme Court. Let me ask you, what was the date on that? Because that’s Nineteen, nineteen eighty. That’s good because, I talk many times when I talk about censorship in the digital public square, as Jack Dorsey said eight or nine times under oath when he’s being asked about it.
I, you go back to 1946 and there’s a case called Marsh versus Alabama. It was a company owned town and somebody was handing out religious tracts and they banned them from doing it and they fought it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, Even if the public square is privately owned, you can’t stop free speech in the public square.
And so that’s very similar to that. And I wish we could broaden that out. It’s good that they did that right to say, I think the 1946 thing was perfect. I think this ruling you’re talking about allowing people to collect signatures in a public place. Yeah, it’s also appropriate to extend this out to the social media and other things.
Yes. Yeah. But the thing is, these have been ruled. They’ve been Supreme Court rulings that won before. After prune yard, which was 1980 was batch elder versus allied stores to collect signatures. So anyway. Now, what’s happened is David, think about this. You would think every law enforcement officer before they get their badge and they get their guns.
Would be trained on this basic fundamental ruling because it’s so connected to democracy, elections and constitutional rights. So this is how the elites work. They make sure they don’t train the cops. They make the cops. Us versus them, right? That’s right. Or the fake us versus them. They make them our enemy.
I’ve had many instances because I’m articulate and I know the law, I always win these arguments. So I’ll give you an example. We were at Whole Foods. Once, the store manager says, you have to leave. We say, no, we have the right to be here. Would you like to sign my papers? Okay. And then they say, oh, you’re trespassing.
We said please call your supervisor or please have the police come. We’ll explain it to them. Cruisers will show up, guys with, all puffed up. Hey, you can’t be here. You have to leave. Typically, the lower of our officers, we said, no, I want to let you know that we have a right to be here.
There’s been a prune yard rulings, a gloves, key rulings during an election cycle. When we’re collecting signatures, we’re not harassing anyone. This area becomes a public square and then he go, whoa, no, you have to leave. I said, please call your supervisor said it keeps escalating. The supervisor shows up and then typically those guys will say, hold on.
They call the attorney and they’ll most of the time if you’re. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stand firm and you’re able to articulate they say, okay, you have the right to be here, but you can’t harass people and they’ll go tell the store manager that happened to us when we were collecting signatures just 8 weeks ago in Utah.
Okay. Our volunteers are collecting. The store manager says, you can’t collect. I said, we have the right to collect 3 police officers show up. Start wanting everyone’s IDs and then I said, please bring your supervisor. The supervisor is quite nice. He said, oh, I’m really interested in case law. We said, this is a reality.
He called up the state attorney. He said, you have the right to be here. He reprimanded actually the store manager. That is a reasonable way. But think about what we have to do. David, we have to do this education. Yes, we have to do all this work. Democrats, Republicans and others don’t. Boobie Kennedy doesn’t have to do that.
He just pays people to collect signatures. But if you’re an ordinary working class person like me, and if you have working class supporters, think about the barrier to entry. 1st of all, getting volunteers to go collect signatures on a cold day is difficult. Then they have to face the police. They have to face all this intimidation and this is where the election fraud really begins.
Now, it got quite egregious. And the reason I called you, David, I’m very kind that you wanted to discuss this. Is because January 7th, which is this Sunday, which is really the 12th anniversary of my mom’s passing. I was doing a memorial service at the house and I get an urgent call from our state leader in Kentucky.
Okay. Amazing. 1 of the most well mannered young gentlemen I’ve ever met. He works as a full time electrician, right? Gets up at 7 in the morning, works until 4, working class guy. He’s seen all my videos, loves our campaign, went through all of our training and became the state leader in Kentucky.
We have a couple 100 volunteers here. He goes out to a Walmart by himself on a Sunday because, we need 5, 000 signatures. So he’s standing out in front of the Walmart, not inside, outside, very respectful, waving to people, collecting signatures. He had collected around 7 signatures. What ends up happening is a Walmart store employee comes out, again, a multi billion dollar company.
Who sells all sorts of Chinese crap. Okay. Excuse my language. Yeah. Comes out says you can’t be here. And he says, no, I have the right to be here. Here’s a prune yard ruling et cetera. Then the supervisor comes out, harassing him and he goes, no, I have the right to be here. Again, this is a working class American citizen who has been trained in.
The 1st amendment stating I have a right to be here. Yeah. All right. Then police show up and he said, and the officer says, you’re trespassing. You have to leave. He goes, no, officer, I have a right to be here. Guess what they do, David? They handcuff him. Put him in the back of a cruiser. I was on the phone with the police officer, Nick he called me, right?
. And I said, officers, please let him go. He has a right to be here. And they take him to the police station, take off all his clothes, strip search him. Wow. Cavity. Search him. Wow. Okay, this is in the United States. Put jail clothes on him. And then I did a live and I said, hey, people call the Kentucky police.
And I think they got a little bit concerned. Hundreds of calls came in. So they released him that evening. He leaves a police station. He opens up his wallet. His money is missing. They don’t give him money. They stole his money. And then he had to walk back. To his car at Walmart, and this is an American citizen, a working class person who supports someone like me.
So the issue is. It’s obvious the swarm, the elites do not want us, David. Having 1 of our own in any level representing us and think about the scene here. Walmart multi billion dollar company who made billions. Hundreds of millions during the pandemic, while small stores were getting shut down. Here’s a police officer who’s supposed to defend the Constitution and the rights of the Constitution.
What does he do? He serves a multi billion dollar company’s rights. Doesn’t purposely was never trained or didn’t choose not to train takes advantage of a young 28 year old working class. U. S. citizen electrician who on a Sunday has not done any crime. Handcuffed put in the back of a cruiser strip searched cavity searched.
Wow, and his money stolen. Wow. And this is. The level. Of how the elites do not want any 1 of us, David. I think I deserve to have a shot of being president. Okay, you have to get on. So they have the ballot access. It’s like a king has various ways. The peasants can’t get in. He’s got the big walls and he’s got the moat and then he’s got other.
Whatever alligators, right? So the 1st, so when you step back at this, and I’ve experienced all 4 of these things. Number one, they deny visibility to outsiders, meaning you don’t get on mainstream media. You don’t get to be on the debate stage. I experienced that in 2018. We collected 20, 000 signatures. We got ballot access.
I was the independent candidate. I was supposed to be on the stage. I hit all the poll numbers. Elizabeth Warren, the Republicans and the Democrats colluded. That’s right. To keep me off the debate stage. They’ve always done that. I had to take 20, 000. Out of our bank account, hire a lawyer. That lawyer, as he was representing us, he turned out he was a big Paul Ryan supporter.
So he actually screwed up the case on purpose. We were denied all the mainstream media visibility, all the debate. Because they knew if I got on, I would win. So one is, who gets visibility? And right now you can see the elections. Trump gets visibility. Biden gets visibility. Haley, they even went and found a brown skin guy who looks like me, who speaks anti establishment, but is the most pro Zionist establishment guy you can imagine.
Vivek, the snake I call him comes out of nowhere. Yeah. You see overnight, they give visibility to people. Is a Martin Scorrelli is a Martin Scorrelli, a big pharma bro as well. Not only that he’s a liar. He’s a cheater. He said, He was against affirmative action, took affirmative action scholarships. He made up a bogus drug with his mother, took it public, tanked the drug.
This guy’s a complete scumbag. But they knew, hey, there’s that guy, Dr. Shiva. He’s truly anti establishment. So they have literally watched what we do. He’s the chat. GPT. Okay. Version. Yeah. So the first step of election fraud system is who gets visibility. Second step is who gets ballot access. Now, what occurred to us in 2020 was we got ballot access and we had massive visibility.
David, we raised 2 million bucks in a federal election for US Senate, and we challenged the GOP establishment. We had bumper stickers, we had huge billboards. We put about a million bucks into billboard signs. Our opposition GOP establishment candidate couldn’t even raise 200 grand. The GOP had to give it to him.
So think about that. We overcame. The visibility, we overcame the the ballot access and then what do they do to us in 2020? They flip the machines, they stole our election in the 9 counties in Massachusetts, we won overtly in the hand counted paper ballot county. Everywhere else, 60 40, 60 40. That resulted in my famous lawsuit where we exposed how the government colludes with social media.
I’m not going to go there, but. I have experienced as a hardworking American, all levels of these 4 levels of election fraud. They have the election fraud on election day, which I’ve talked about and written about and done major papers about, right? Which is a signature verification of the chain of custody.
But the real election fraud begins with who gets visibility and who gets ballot access. So in the United States right now, we have to get on the ballot in every state. The unfortunate thing for them, David, we have about 100, 000 volunteers. Working people, and this is what scares them so much is that we will actually do it legitimately.
We don’t notice. I’ve not asked for money 1 time during this conversation. People want to volunteer. Great. Our movement for truth, freedom and health as a part of our campaign wants to mobilize Americans to wake up. And realize that these hard fought rights, no other country has. And so what they do is they make the law enforcement officers ignorant.
They make people ignorant to assert their rights. When you assert your rights, they do cavity searches. And they strip script. It’s crazy. So anyone listening, you can tweet all day. You can talk about how bad the world is, but we are actually on the ground actually where the rubber meets the road fighting 1 of the most important fights, which is ballot access.
That’s right. And doing it the legitimate way. Not begging for money like booby Kennedy or the Democrats or Republicans were actually mobilizing people to vote. Yeah. who go out in the midst of their busy schedules, stand out in the cold, 100 people pass by, five people will sign. That’s a lot of effort, David.
Oh, that’s the kind of people that have come to our campaign. I agree. Yeah. And when you look at this, it is, it’s always made me so angry. It was one of the reasons why I don’t like Democrats or Republicans, especially the institutions that are there because. You go back and you look at the ballot access and then being able to get into the debates, even if you jump through all these extra hoops that they set up for everybody else, then they still won’t let you in the debates and the debates used to be run by the league of women voters.
And then they would apply a different set of rules and you would get a few independent and third party candidates in the debates. And so then the Republicans and Democrats looked at this and said, oh, we can’t have that. So they created a presidential debate commission and other state commissions while they did in North Carolina.
Was a created their debate commission was run by the media, by the press and the press colluded with them to keep anybody except for Republicans and Democrats out of the debates because they’re looking at the people who are going to give them money and who always give them money. And so they would set up these different constructs that would change who was there.
And they say we’ve created this presidential debate commission, and it’s a private entity funded by the Democrats and Republicans so they can make any rules that they want. They can exclude anybody that they want. And they did the same thing with the press. And we saw the same game being run when they were censoring people on social media.
They said these are private companies. They could do whatever they want. And we knew that the censorship was coming from the federal government. We knew that the exclusion was coming from the Democrat and Republican parties. When it came to the debates and when it came to the ballots, it’s so transparent, but they always use these fake constructs to bamboozle people.
It’s truly is annoying. Yeah. And David, they know now people are waking up to this. And so what they’re doing is they create the fake anti establishment people what I call the not so obvious establishment people who are gotten very good at watching the videos. I do you do and saying, oh, people really like that.
So you have now people just talking the talk. Boobie Kennedy just talks to talk, right? Or Trump, or all of these people, or Alex Jones, or Joe Rogan. They have the media that, you know, And the media is a part of that. They have the, Yeah, but they create mainstream alternative media, if you will. I call them the Maga Bird Press.
Operation Maga Bird instead of Mockingbird. Yeah. So now they have The old media, and now they have the neo establishment media of the grifter media network, right? And so we’re in a very important time. But our campaign, David is giving people this unique opportunity to understand this dynamic to become truly enlightened citizens.
And then we say, hey, look, get on the ground, get on the ground, hand out a flyer, people go to shoot for president calm, let people understand. That what’s been going on in this country for the last 60 years, the life span of your child now is less than you. If you have a child right now, it’s going to be short.
We want people to exercise these rights. Yes, it’s hard to go collect signatures, but do it because you will have this incredible experience. Because you have to realize, wow, I have to collect signatures. I got to collect 150, 000 signatures in Florida. How do I do that? That means you got to have, 100 volunteers who each collect 1500 signatures.
How do I do that? That means you got to make sure you got to mobilize people. Then you got to motivate people to go out. That’s a lot of work. They don’t have to do anything. These people are all cheers. They never work. They never work. They never work. They talk about working, we’re patriots.
We want to work. And by the way, it’s like God created Trump thing, talking about how he. Works all day and then he delivers his grandchild and then he has to, make a lunch for himself and everybody else. It’s what in the world? It’s totally made up, anyway, I’m sorry.
Yeah, it’s David, I think this is a key. What they’re doing is I was on the a video interview with a young gentleman, he’s in his twenties and he was like, yeah, the snake says a lot of good things. I really love it. I said, listen, your generation better realize you start you have to look at not what people say, but what they do.
That’s right. Because they are, they’re watching chat predictive analytics. They will just say anything now. That’s right. Oh, yeah. January 6 was was a conspiracy against us. Okay. They’ll just say that they don’t know what they’re saying. They’ll say anything they need to say. To win people back to the establishment.
And that’s what this is about. As people break, they want to bring people back in and they do not want people in closing. What I want to share, David, what we’re doing is we’re telling people we got to build this bottoms up movement. We have to go do the work and what you realize is that the establishment does not it’s really class war in some ways they do not want.
They have started the class war, the elites in this case, protected Walmart, a multi billion dollar company, quote, unquote, property rights versus. Individuals constitutional right to rightfully collect signatures during an election cycle and validate. That’s what the cops are trained to do or not trained to assert the constitutional rights.
And this is deliberate. Let me jump in there and say that when you look at this situation, you talked about in Kentucky where they violate even the federal law. They don’t care about that. Just like they often violate the constitution, don’t care about that. And when you experience that, and when people see that happening, even if you’re not the one who’s arrested in strip search and the cavity search that happening to somebody else.
And I think that another thing that’s very important about this, I’ve said it has to be from the bottom up, from the grassroots up, like you’re talking about, and it. It drives home the point to them that I’ve said all along, I said, it’s very important who is at the local level because they can make things better, or they can make them much worse.
In this particular case, you’ve got a federal law that was making things better. And then you’ve got the local officials there, the police and whoever is over those local officials, they need to be held accountable in this next election. And I, so I hope that is something that people who are watching this and your signature effort, I hope they pay attention to those local elections, whether it’s somebody who’s a sheriff or whether it’s a town council that’s going out and hiring these police, they need to be held accountable for that particular situation.
You need to find some people who are going to support individual liberty, or at least promise that they’re going to do. And then you evaluate them by what they do the next election. But that’s the other part of it is to see this tyranny that is happening. And to understand that’s another thing that needs to be addressed from a grassroots up.
Yeah. Yeah, what’s interesting, David, Kentucky is a home of Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and I tweeted at both of them. Okay. Now, in my view, they say some good things. But in my view that, just like you have certain tokens, Massey’s their token constitutionalist, okay? And Rand Paul just mimics certain things.
But this occurred in Kentucky, a red state, where people are supposedly patriots. Think about what I’m saying. And they didn’t reply when you tweeted at them? They didn’t have anything to say about that? Nothing. Nothing. And look, he went to MIT. I’m an MIT alumni with him, okay? This is a point here.
Because he’s part of the Republican Party. I’m not part of that club. But you should defend the rights of Americans, whatever they are. And what I predict is going to happen in 2024, the elites know that they have been conducting class war against working people in the United States. And people are waking up to that.
Yeah. So in order to subsume that reality. They’re going to have blacks versus whites, fighting red versus blue. And that’s how you started this conversation, David. Ooh, Trump versus Biden. Trump is somehow the victim to Biden and Biden you say, so they’re going to create the red versus blue, quote unquote, civil war.
And it’s vital to them, not just for their political control, but even for their economic control, George Schlattel has an article saying, you look at the Washington post they’re going bankrupt before Trump. And then they had a, a real boom during Trump. And now that he’s gone and they’ve got a cadaver in the white house, Washington post is on the ropes again.
So it’s to their advantage, just like it’s to Biden’s advantage and all the rest of them to come after Trump to make him a victim, because it energizes their base, it energizes Trump’s base. They get everybody involved and it’s all over the personality. It’s not over anything that has to do with them at all.
It’s not about any issues. It’s about these two competing personalities. It’s wrestling, it’s professional wrestling. Exactly. And this is a very important point, David. I think, I’ve made for a long time when I figured this out when I was 17 that this is WWF. We used to be called WWE wrestling and the promoters of the fights are the ones who make money because they got to hype it.
The promoters here are the media companies. Yes. Washington Post, New York Times without this fake dialectic, they make nothing. And what’s even more interesting is When you actually peel away the layer and you find out that the person who owns WWE, the person who owns UFC. I’m talking about the actual person, the person who owns the biggest Hollywood agency, which owns all the actors.
And the person who owns many politicians is one guy, Ari Emanuel, Rahm Emanuel’s brother owns, formerly known as William Morris Agency, owns all the A list actors, Joe Rogan, all these people. In fact, he was Trump’s agent for his books. Trump was going to bring him in as his chief of staff. But one gentleman who’s, by the way, pro Zionist.
Very close connections with Mossad, et cetera. One person in the United States, whose brother is Rahm Emanuel, and you can go study the history of this person, is a pro ultra Zionist who owns WWE, which is to entertain the masses. He owns UFC to, again, distract the people. And he owns pretty much every A list actor in Hollywood who zips up.
Yeah, and he’s the agent. He was the agent of Obama. He’s the agent of Joe Rogan and the agent of Donald Trump. You can look at this 1 individual. So they are literally conducting political theater, Hollywood theater, worldwide wrestling theater. And this is how they’re keeping people entertained. Yeah, while they want to suppress.
Hardworking people like me, you and others, David, who actually want to build these bottoms up movements or our volunteer who takes time off from his work or, on a Sunday goes collect signatures. So this is anti American working person. Yes, that’s what this is about. They do not want us having our own leaders.
They want to control the top down. So they have this media enterprise that gives who gets visibility. Okay, speak anti establishment rhetoric. Ask, Joe Rogan will talk about stuff 5 years later after it’s, or even or Tucker. Yeah, it’s it’s funny. I couldn’t talk about building 7 all this time.
And it’s you can’t ask questions about that or they’ll fire. And he’s still not saying what he thinks happened with it. Yeah whatever. You’re not a journalist because you should be putting your, you’re making 20 million. Yeah, if you’re a journalist, Oh, do you need that much money? Why don’t you move out of your house and be a real journalist?
Sacrifice something. Oh, I couldn’t do that. Why couldn’t you do that? Because you needed to have close relationships with Hunter Biden. Live in the same area. So you’re so Hunter Biden could write recommendation letters for your son. You’re a sellout. You were always a sellout. Don’t talk about now.
You’re a martyr. You never put your ass on the line. And that’s what these people are. They make themselves into be fake martyrs, all theater. But what happened in Franklin, Kentucky was not theater. What occurs to our volunteers every day when they go out, and any independent candidate who really is bottoms up, the intimidation they have to face, the education we have to do on the basic laws that should be unnecessary in the United States.
That’s right. But that’s what we’ve become, David. And this is where the real election fraud begins with ballot access, with who gets visibility. And then they have the other election fraud on election night. And I’ve experienced all four versions of election fraud as a federal candidate. And then, of course, I got a lot worse with all the lockdowns and you can’t vote in person and we’re going to mail out ballots to you.
That was a whole new level of fraud. And I said to people in 2020, I said, I’m not voting for Trump. Oh, you’re going to support Biden’s no, I don’t support Biden with this stuff. But I said, look at why we even having an election. If he turned over the government to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, and then he adds this layer of corruption and everybody was talking about.
What was going to happen months before that it was going to be total chaos, total fraud, and it was, and then they motivate they mobilized everybody. Into a fundraising aspect that culminated into from the save America to the stop to steal in January, the sixth, it’s such an amazing fraud all the way through this talk a little bit though about what you tell people in terms of, you mentioned the life issues and things like that.
You got a much broader message than just politics. Yeah, you’re talking about health and truth and freedom, those things David? Yeah. Yeah. Look David, I have been a student of understanding systems, all systems of power, engineering systems, health systems, and what I. Having grown up, in a cast system, right?
Having seen this, having grown up as a working class kid in New Jersey. I realize there are these hardworking people who keep getting mistreated. So I was really interested in understanding these systems of power. And I realized that if you’re ever going to change, if you’re ever going to build anything, build a new world, change the world.
You always need scientific principles and engineers know this. If you’re going to build an iPhone, you better understand some basic physics, right? If you’re going to build anything and what I uncovered, David was the foundations. Of all systems in the world, all systems in the world, David, come down to engineering principles, which were discovered in the 1920s.
They actually date back thousands of years and what I used to teach at MIT, we’ve started educating people on understanding systems principles. It should be taught at kindergarten. And what those systems principles reveal, David, Without getting into the physics of it, but simply put, there’s a deep connection between freedom, truth and health freedom.
And when you study the systems principles, it’s the aspect of motion, movement of things in engineering. We call it the word transport movement of information, matter and energy. Freedom is an important principle for any society. Me being able to talk, move freely, physically move, right? Information, matter and energy, communicate through media.
Now, with freedom, you can have or transport, as we say, you can have another process, which is essential nature called conversion, taking things from one form and converting them. So in the area of truth, you and I can have all sorts of ideas why an apple falls to the earth, right? But when you have freedom, scientific freedom, where you can have discourse, we have to put all of our ideas.
You have to apply the scientific method, you have to do experiments, and then you have to validate it. That’s the conversion process in this case, right? Of taking ideas, in the open marketplace of ideas, you come to truth. Truth is really a verb, right? Because it’s always being refined, right?
Because you may find today that, that the laws of motion relate to a certain body of laws. But when things move at the speed of light, you have to change them. That was Einstein’s, right? It wasn’t Newton was wrong, but you have to refine it. So truth is a process. Yes. That cannot exist without this process of free flow of information, but when you have freedom and truth, now you can talk about your physical infrastructure, health, your physical health, right?
The health of your economy, your country, but you need all 3. Without health, you can’t really fight for freedom or truth. So you need all these 3. So our movement, our campaign as we have in our bumper sticker, by the way, quick little pitch. I want everyone to go get 1 of these because you can reach 100, 000 people.
If you place this on the back of your car, it’s a way that you can have a lot of freedom, but truth, freedom and help basically says. You can’t just talk about the 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment, you have to physically take care of your health. You have to learn how to take care of your economic health and you have to learn the process of science, how you achieve truth.
So that’s why David, I think you and I concur when you look at it from a truthful standpoint. Trump is not 1 of us. He didn’t fight for us. Okay. Alex Jones. Is you and I have talked about this is theatrics. He knew Trump was bad, but he was making money selling his supplements to the MAGA graph, right?
That’s not a truthful person. That’s right. So when you are willing to truly be a fighter for truth, freedom, health, you concur and you come to the conclusion that we need to build a bottoms up movement. So our campaign is number 1 based on health. One of the areas is health care. And by the way every Thursdays, David, we do orientations open house.
Thursday at 11 a. m. or 8 p. m. people can go to Shiva for president slash town hall and sign up or va Shiva dot com slash orientation. We do these open houses and our open houses. David rotate. Okay. 1 open house. Is on healthcare. And when we talk about health care, David, we don’t say after I get into office, we actually teach people what the immune system is, how they can take care of their immune system as a PhD in systems biology.
It’s my full time job. You take care of their immune system, you take care of your entire body. The immune system is deeply linked with aging systems. So we’re teaching people that David, we’re teaching millions of people. Right now, becoming president, I’ll use a bully pulpit of the White House to reach billions.
The next thing we talk about is. Environment. What is our environment policy? Support your local farmers. Support local food. Once you get into that and different economy establishes, we teach people how to do that at our open houses. Next, we talk about education. David, since 1970, after the Department of Education took over, people are not learning how to think they’re being told what to think.
Yes. Now, how to think is the systems process. We live in a world of complex systems I’ve built a whole body of curriculum that I’ve been doing for years at truthfreedomhealth. com. We train people, it’s free for anyone 13 through 18, and if you’re an adult, you take it, you can give it away free.
It’s in homage to one of my mentors, Jay Forrester, who believed that at the young age, we have to teach people how to think. System syncing is a way, so we teach people that. Innovation, David. Innovation. You don’t need to be in Silicon Valley. You don’t need to go to MIT. Now, here’s my copyright for the invention of email.
I did this before I came to MIT. When I was a 14 year old kid working in Newark. So they’re very smart people outside the bastions of major academia. And that’s where most of the great innovations came from. A 14 year old boy actually created TV in Franklin Idaho. So it’s important. So we teach people as an innovator.
What are the 7 key critical things to innovate? But we are doing these in these open houses, David, we’re doing more than the National Science Foundation and then we teach people governance. What are the attributes of a leader, right? Do you say the right thing at the right time? Tucker Carlson is not any leader.
He delays truth. Glenn Greenwald is not any leader. He watches which way the wind blows, right? These people are using. When they expose truth, it’s for entertainment value. They never say the right thing. And in fact, when they expose truth, they expose a little piece of it. Yeah. And then finally, Dave, when we talk about the economy, last open house, we actually taught people what compound interest is.
Okay. Why you should take, what is a diversified portfolio? No other presidential candidates teaching people we are teaching the working people how to take care of their bodies, how to eat the proper foods, how they educate their children from a system standpoint and so on. So our campaign is already delivering solutions and the entire, our movement is delivering solutions to win truth, freedom, health.
That’s what we’re about and that’s what I’ve been doing all my life. David, these people create problems. I create solutions, right? They create problems. We create solutions. It’s very simple. And if you can look at this graph, David, look at the problem they’ve created since 1970s, 60s to today. The light, if you have a child today, your child’s lifespan is going to be shorter than yours.
That’s right. They create problems. That’s right. They create problems in ballot access. Everywhere they go, they create problems. And then like you said, David, they create the dialectic. Oh, I’m going to solve the problem left and right and give me money, send emails, give me money. So they create problems.
They create the chaos and they need that to run their business model. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It’s and it’s by design. They’re not stupid. They’re not flunkies. They weren’t deceived. It’s a very clever calculated thing. And so that’s why it’s important for you to counter this and to show people, I talk frequently.
About just the free speech aspect and propaganda and how this has grown from newspapers to radio to television. And then when they go to social media, what does that bring to the table? Now they’ve got a closed loop feedback system. They can precisely measure their propaganda and they can fine tune their narrative in real time and they can they don’t have to.
Try to approximate it with polls or anything like that. They’ve got it exactly. And so that’s what we’re up against. We’re up against people who are very calculating. People who are very smart designing. They got a long timeframe that they’re working on this stuff. And so that’s why it’s very important what you’re doing in terms of pointing this out to people, getting people educating them to make their life better.
And of course, a part of that, I think, is the politics. We’ve got to stop these people from coming at us. And it’s important to fight that at every level, from bottom up. And I think that’s exactly what you’re doing. I really do appreciate what you’re doing Dr. Shiva. Thank you for coming on and explaining that to us.
It’s very important how this system is rigged from the get go. They focal, you get little things and they blow them up and micro focus on them. And the micro focus. It’s simply talking about how it affects Trump. We don’t even care about anything else. That’s what’s truly amazing.
Thank you for joining us again. It is a for president. com. Thank you very much. Dr. Sheehan. Thanks David. Thanks for doing God’s work, man. Thank you. Thank you. Be well, David.
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