In this discussion, Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, Inventor of Email, Scientist, Engineer and Candidate for President, shares how true innovation does not come from the military-industrial-academic-complex, but from the margins.
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Okay, we should be live. Okay. Good evening, everyone is Dr.Shiva Ayyadurai. Today is a very important month. It’s August 2023.
But it’s really the international month of email, email month. And one of the things that really marks it is the fact that nearly 45 years ago to this day, I created email the system as we know it today. I’m the inventor of email.
And if anyone has any doubts about it, here’s the official copyright notice, which is now in the Smithsonian, along with all my tapes, and my documents and all the artifacts. But why do I want to talk about it? Is it to say I create an email? Well, that’s only a small part of it. But it’s more to inspire everyone to a very, very fundamental truth, that innovation occurs anytime, anyplace by anybody.
I want to talk in this context, what is innovation, and then I want to sort of walk you through how email was created, but then lard, but at a larger context. Talk about where innovation actually comes from. Okay, we are taught to believe, unfortunately, in a, frankly, a big lie, that all great innovations come from killing other people war, right? How many history books have you read that say, oh, during war, people created this and during war, we created this.
So in Tamil, which is a very old South Indian language I speak, I still not to speak, but they say you can touch your nose two ways, right? You go like this, we’re gonna go around your head and try to touch your nose. Okay. This is obviously a very stupid way of touching your nose.
But those Yeah, So Matt’s trying to do it. Thanks, Matt. So those in power have convinced us that the way you innovate, you say, we’re going to fight war, and then be thankful, out of war, that you got Velcro or Tang, by the way, which did not come from innovation.
And that’s what they tried to do with email. Okay, they do not want to give people the many, many rich examples, that invention innovation. And there’s a slight difference between innovation and invention, I’ll talk about that.
That all innovation must come from trying to murder someone to kill someone and annihilate them, it surely cannot come from an individual caring for their community and trying to solve civilian problems. So just take a note of that, that we are taught over and over and over again. And it’s a very deep psychological training, that we should be so grateful for funding, trillions of dollars, to go maim and kill other people, and the little drips of innovation that come from that, that come from that effort.
All right. So we’re told that TV came from, you know, the military industrial complex, we’re told that email came from that and so on, it goes on. But what’s fascinating is that, if you look at yourself, and you go back, looking at the arc of human history, no one knows all the things that people we don’t even know irrigation, who really created it, right? Many, many things.
But the fundamental issue is innovation is in our DNA. It is part of being human. In fact, octopuses innovate, every all different animals actually innovate.
They used to think that oh, what made the human being different was we make tools where they found animals creating all sorts of tools, right? So innovation is something that goes probably all the way back to a single cell organism as far as we know. But innovation is in our DNA. And this gets very important because if you think about who’s an inventor, you think about someone with glasses, or drooling, they have a beard, and they look all fucked up.
You know, they talk in a nasally voice and have little twitches, right? And then if you do that, you must be an innovator, or you’re dropped out of a major school. So Bill Gates, oh, he went to Harvard, and he dropped out. Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook, right? But the reality is that none of that’s true.
It’s actually a form of quote unquote, racism. It’s a form of segregation, saying, You have to look like this. You have to be from this world.
And then you can create an innovate. The more fundamental aspect of this is a following. And that is this, that when you, when you accept a narrative like that, it’s actually anti human.
And it’s fundamentally even worse than anti human. It’s actually if you believe in any sense of divinity or God, it’s anti God in many ways. Why? Because, you know, if you read any of the ancient texts, it says the kingdom of heaven is within you.
Were supposed to be co creators with God. innovation, creativity is really your expression of the divine and to see A that only a few people can innovate those who go to MIT, those who go to Silicon Valley is basically denying your divinity as a human being, you follow what I’m saying? It’s basically saying that, in fact, it’s creating the concept of a caste system that only these people can create. And in fact, in India, they have a caste system, which actually did say that, that only these people are smart.
Everyone else has a bunch of dumb fucks. And only these people can innovate. All right.
And this is frankly, anti human. It’s denigrating to every human being. So for me, it’s very, very personal.
Because as many of you know, I grew up in a caste system in India, I had all these ridiculous memories of people spitting at me calling me different names, that I was considered a Shudra, which is a low caste human being, which means we were supposed to only do certain things. All right, my mom would tell me stories when she went to the well to get water, they were chased away like a pig. Right.
And this is a denunciation of what it means to be human that only these people, the Brahmins are the only smart people and everyone else is stupid. All right, it’s really fucked up, can you think about it at a very deep level. And in America, we now have a caste system.
It’s way beyond deeper than race. It’s a multiracial aristocracy, which is creating a global caste system. And the purpose of that caste system is to say that only these are the centers of creation.
So you go to Kendall Square at MIT, oh, we have a lot of smart nerds there, where you go to Silicon Valley. And what they’re really doing is to tee it up that you go to those places, and then you get funded. And then you create a Google and you create a Facebook, and you get to make a billion dollars.
And the financial models of this are quite extraordinary, because what they’re saying is a finite set of people have billions of dollars in capital, and they’re going to invest it in these finite places, almost like genetically engineering innovation. And, and it’s really fucked up. Because when you really talk to it, venture capitalist, most of them are actually little old white boys who all get together and actually multiracial group of not just white people who go to Harvard or Stanford or Yale.
And they have Mamas and Papas, and they know how to get money from an insider’s club. So they raise $10 billion fund, and then they basically give it to their friends. So if crystal starts a company today, there may be many others in some inner city have created the exact same invention.
But they’ll give her $100 million. And then she has no customers. They’ll actually call up their friends and say, Hey, give crystal customers.
And that’s how it’s all inside game. And then they boost up the stock price. And they say, Oh, my God, Crystal’s a genius.
And it’s all becoming an insider’s game. And what you see is the stuff that’s coming out, we’re not really innovating anything I’m sorry, Twitter is not some great innovation. Facebook is not some great innovation.
They’re not like major things that transform society. So what’s actually occurring as humanity is actually devolving, we’re not really creating anything fundamentally different, because we’re saying only a finite set of people can invent. Does that make sense? So this is deeply anti human, it is restricting the progress of all humanity.
There’s probably you know, we have 8 billion people, I would venture to say, at least half of them, particularly young kids, young people can invent all sorts of wild things. And if we’re restricting it to only well about, you know, 8000, people go to MIT, and you’re saying only 1% of those can invent, think about what you’re saying. One of like, 80 people can be great inventors.
And then you go to Silicon Valley and a few other places. So you’re only saying like, Oh, these 1000 people can be inventors, and everyone else is shit. It’s, and this is why no major significant problems are being solved in the world.
We haven’t really had any great innovations. We really have it. It’s all been incremental, little tweaking.
So in India, someone will take Amazon and call it Flipkart or something like that. Right. That’s not an invention.
Right. So humanity’s really suffering because we’re not making any massive gains in fundamental sciences. But and in fact, we’re not integrating, let’s say, very diverse kinds of ideas, ancient and modern, and science and tradition, or east and west.
But I’ve been very, very fortunate to be able to live in these multiple worlds. I was fortunate to go to MIT. But I was also fortunate to grow up in Newark, New Jersey, where I created the first email system.
So I have a very, very different perspective, that great innovations can occur anytime, anyplace by anybody. And that the impetus for innovation is not war. It’s actually people who actually love and care for other people and can actually solve problems.
So as a part of that, you I think it’s important to, you know, share my own personal journey. Because everything I share with you and everything I’ve struggled with is not like I’m reading from a cue card. It’s not like we have Madison Avenue people coming to us and saying, Okay, Dr.
Shiva, now you’re gonna say this. Now you’re gonna say this. Now you’re gonna say this.
All of Kennedy, all of trumps all these politicians. None of these people have any direct connection when they say, oh, yeah, I understand your plate. They don’t understand any of your plates.
They know nothing about everyday people. I’ve had to deal with the injustices of being a low caste Indian, I’ve had to deal with Zionism, okay. In my own personal life, I’ve had to deal with fighting people who take away your credit, I’ve had to be on the streets, helping people because they couldn’t get into places like MIT, I’ve had to organize food service workers, because my mom was a worker who worked in a factory.
And you know, she lost her life to pulmonary fibrosis, right. So this is all very real. For me.
This is not theoretical. You know, I grew up with hard working people who worked their butt off, you know, who had skills I had, you know, I earned my way into MIT. I earned all my degrees.
I started my companies without ever taking venture capital money. So all of this is very real to me. That’s why at this point in my life, I call fucking Kennedy fucking boobie effing Kennedy.
Because this guy’s an absolute charlatan. Trump has golden plated toilet seats, he makes money from working people. Oh my god, I got indicted.
Give me money. Okay. So these people are absolute frauds.
And that’s why, because of the great love I have for people I came from people I grew up with, and everyone, you know, people work hard. I value labor. Labor is more important than capital hard work.
And people get up in the morning, you know, Tony Pierce is here from New Zealand. He works in a farm, right? He’s got to get up every morning. You know, he’s got to go up when it’s cold.
Doesn’t matter what happens, right? building software, if you really are doing it alone, you got to go in and things don’t work, you got to fix problems. If you’re an if you’re a plumber, if you’re a mother, you’re a frickin problem solver. You have to do 20 different things to keep a household going, right? These people don’t have to do any of that, guys, they have 20 Maids, they fly Falcons.
That’s what Kennedy does. Okay? They don’t have to live our lives. So once you really get this, you start recognizing, why are we bowing down to them? Why are we even giving them any credence? Where’s our own dignity for ourselves? Why do you think they care for us? And they don’t, they absolutely don’t.
They steal our work, they steal our labor. They steal everything we do. And they think it’s okay.
Because deep in their mindset, they actually think they’re better than you. And more importantly, they hate you. They hate the concept of America, they hate the concept of freedom of speech, they don’t really want to give it to you.
They’ve never wanted to give it to you. And they only think we’re their slaves. We’ll work our butts off, and they’ll actually steal our credit.
So when you get to the reality of this, you start honoring your cells, and you start honoring those people actually do the fucking work. And you should have a great despise meant of them, who steal your stuff. And if you don’t, then you become what I call a house slave as Malcolm X said, Okay.
You cannot be house slaves. We have to be field slaves. We’re off the plantation, and we’re going to shatter the swarm.
So let me share with you my journey, okay. The invention of email. First of all, let’s talk about the environment, the ecosystem.
It didn’t take place in the ecosystem of a big fucking University. It didn’t take place in a bid ecosystem of big military. It didn’t take place in the ecosystem of big industry all coming together.
Military Industrial, academic complex. That’s not where email occurred. Neither did the invention of TV by a young boy called Philo Farnsworth.
Now, Philo didn’t have to deal with a color issue which I had to deal with. But TV was also created in a small farm in Franklin, Idaho. Email was created in a small medical college in the heart of Newark, New Jersey, which is predominantly African American.
And a lot of people are afraid to go there because they think they’re gonna get mugged. Okay, even now. So think about what I’m saying email, the thing that all of you use today, and television was not created by the military industrial academic complex.
It was invented by 14 year old boys. Just wrap yourself around that for a second and just absorb what I’m saying. A 14 year old boy in Franklin, Idaho created TV, and a 14 year old boy in Newark, New Jersey invented email and you’re looking at him.
Now, Philo Farnsworth story is quite fascinating. You know, he saw the ways that the cows on a farm would do the Z pack, you know how they, the cows, they follow the, the soil, right. And he saw the cows moving like this.
And he had an idea that he would set up two tubes. And he would send, you know, raster tracing, right. That’s how TV was created.
Right? You trace out a screen. So it came from his observation of something and generalizing it to something else. He knew how to be creative.
He had a loving family. He had a mentor, and he had access to some equipment. 14 year old kid RCA out of out of Stanford, and those guys came to his lab and he was very open.
Because when you’re a 14 year old kid, you’re just excited. You want to share your stuff with everyone. They stole all of his stuff.
And then they started producing TVs because he didn’t have the manufacturing capability. But he also got a US patent, because you could patent physical devices. So he has a patent.
And over here RCA is making his invention. And he files a lawsuit. And remember, the United States patent is for 20 years.
He fights some fights and fights some he’s not making any money. In the 19th year he wins his lawsuit. He’s only got one year left.
So he makes no money. He dies, I heard an alcoholic. It took 60 years for him to get a statue built in Congress, acknowledging he’s a father of TV.
But think about the struggle he had to go through. But he did everything. It wasn’t done by at Stanford, it wasn’t done by a big company.
It wasn’t done by the military is done by a 14 year old kid. Let that just absorb in how many other 14 year old kids are out there? Who have when you’re 14, you don’t have a sense of what’s impossible. You think out of the box, it’s a nature of being a teenager, how much how many other people’s energy? Do we now we give a lot of people weed, right? We tell them you can’t do this.
We tell them you can’t walk outside, you can’t control. I mean, the whole stuff is very constrained for a kid. So I very much empathize with Thilo story.
Now you go to my story. Okay, so this is 1978. I had just gone to New York University as a 14 year old.
I was 41 or 40 Kids selected in a very prestigious program. Even though I the cutoff of that program was 16. I was 14.
So people had to write me many, many recommendation letters saying this guy is pretty smart kid you should let them in. So I had to struggle right there, even though I was not qualified dislike now people say oh, you’re not qualified to run for president? Well, we’ll see. Okay.
The Constitution gives me full rights to run for president. So I’ve always had to challenge things. My parents have always had to challenge things.
All of you have to have to struggle. So I have great dignity for people who struggle, particularly my parents. So great.
Now I get to go to NYU. I graduate number one in that class, not number two, but number one, out of 40 kids get the honors award and you can see it all on inventor of email.com.
Now I go back to high school. And I don’t have any math and science physics courses take I finished all of them. So a very wonderful woman by the name of Stella Alexia, back.
And by the way, I have to thank my parents, my dear mom, she would drive me to the train station in Newark, New Jersey, like five, six in the morning. And then I would take a train as a 14 year old kid into New York, which is pretty wild, because you’re walking through Washington Park with people trying to sell you drugs, crime literally taking place in front of you. And what was really amazing was when I used to take that train ride, it was an hour and a half train ride, this big black guy.
His name was Jenkins. He watched me and he said, Man, you should be careful. You shouldn’t be going into New York alone.
He ended up becoming a very close friend who ended up becoming my bodyguard. And this guy worked in a bronze foundry. If you’ve ever been to them, he would make big bronze sculptures.
He would literally for others he wouldn’t be pouring molten metal is quite extraordinary. But he grew up in Newark, but he saw me as this young kid, he didn’t want me to get hurt. He ended up becoming a family friend for many, many years.
Quite amazing, right? A loving human being wanted to make sure a kid wouldn’t get hurt, and then becomes family friends. The teacher of mine was a guy called Henry mulisch who was a professor. He just recently died in Israel and I was invited to give his memorial lecture several years ago.
So you met all these amazing people, everyday ordinary people. They They weren’t fucking Kennedy’s, they weren’t fucking Trump’s, they were everyday people who loved science or engineering or love their work. So in that environment, I learned all computer science at the number one Institute in the world called current Institute of Mathematical Sciences.
As a 14 year old kid, come back into high school, I got some humanities courses to take. And a wonderful teacher, Estelle Oleksiak, she had this concept of independent study. And remember, this is 1978, the Department of Education was just created in the United States.
Prior to that, the Department of Education’s I don’t know if people know, most school rooms are single room school rooms, you may remember this, you know, one small school rooms, school houses, right. And then the school houses, if it went from zero to eighth grade, you had, every age was there, and everyone learned together. When the Department of Education got involved, they started telling teachers, you can’t teach it, or you have to teach this, you have to teach this, they took away the teachers relationship with the students so they could figure out what’s right for the student.
But still, Oleksiak was still from that old days. And she said, This guy’s smart, we got to figure out what to do for him. And meanwhile, I had found a physicist at a small medical college in in Newark, New Jersey.
And this physicist, Dr. Michelson, you know, he was a smart guy, he was a nuclear physicist, he had just come out of Brookhaven National Labs. And he was given a job at what is now known as wreckers medical school, to start using computers to analyze medical data to see if we can create new medicines or you know, new protocols or etc.
So he was setting up a small computer lab, and this is 1978 as scientific computing lab. And he saw in me, whatever he saw me said, You know what, I’m going to give you a job. But here’s a requirement, I’m going to give you a job.
But the requirement is that we’re going to to treat you like an equal, which is quite extraordinary. That is not a caste system. You guys followed him saying, even though he’s a 14 year old kid, and he was 38, or 40, and they were everyone in the lab was 56 years old.
He goes, you’re gonna get a desk, you’re gonna show up to work on time. And we’re gonna just judge you on your work meritocracy. That’s quite extraordinary.
And he gave me access to all these computers, right, which as a kid was pretty amazing. Many computers were just starting to come. Now those old big mainframe computers, you could send simple, very simple text messages, and you had to write all these commands.
That’s not what I’m talking about, is anywhere near what I created. Okay, that existed back in, you know, the 1800s, with Samuel Morse sending simple messages through electrical devices. All right.
So Dr. Michaelson initially gives me the opportunity to use my skills in computing, to look at why babies are dying in their sleep. And I write some programs.
And in fact, I ended up publishing a paper because I was able to predict when a baby would start, stop sleeping. But the other thing he gave me the opportunity to do was to create a system. And that’s where I learned systems.
You see, in those days, a office, which could be the Office of the President of the Office of the Prime Minister, the office of a medical school, ran by two phenomenon. We didn’t have these things called cell phones, okay, these did not exist. You didn’t even have fax machines.
But the way they operated was through this inter office mail system. In every office, you literally had this hole in the ceiling, and there was these plastic tubes, which would go up, and they would connect all these offices. And every office had a secretary who would write a memo, a letter, and it would get put into these envelopes into these pneumatic tubes and they would get shot around.
Or sometimes someone came and picked up your letter, but this letter at a very particular format, it was called a memorandum to from subject, date and then a line. And then you could put CC, carbon copy, BCC, then you would write the body and then you can attack something sound very familiar, was called a proverbial memo. It was the model that was used for email.
WhatsApp doesn’t have CC, Facebook doesn’t have CC BCC, right? None of those things. It was a construct that was created. It was in many ways the first social media because if I was, let’s say writing to Terry Hicks, and Terry’s my boss, and I say dear Terry, who would like to hire Matt Moravec right, attached his match resume, and I may see see, you know, Deanna and trace See, they may be in HR, because I want them to review the resume, do background checks, and then I may BCC my boss’s boss.
So you see what I’m saying? So people, so when the Secretary put this letter memo together, she’d have to make take a piece of paper, put a carbon paper, put another paper and type it. There’s no keyboards, guys. There’s a typewriter.
All right. And if you had to do two three CC’s she had to do to type things. There was no Xerox machines yet.
It was a very hard work. If you had to do 20 CC’s. Oh, my God, she’d be there all night typing away.
And all of this got put into these interoffice mail envelopes. And by the way, how did that letter get constructed was, there was something called the inbox and outbox. And then folders, things got filed, there’s a trash can.
You see, all of these were pieces of the interoffice mail system. It’s a system everyone understand that it’s a system of interconnected parts. There’s no system, if you don’t have the inbox, there’s no system, if you don’t have the outbox, there’s no system, if you don’t have paper clips, there’s no system, if you don’t have carbon paper, there’s no system.
If you don’t have the paper clips that do the attachments, you needed all of these pieces, it was a very, very organized system. And I was asked to convert this entire system to the electronic version. And I had to do it on a mini computer, which only had eight kilobytes of memory.
Think about what I’m saying. Eight kilobytes, not megabytes, not gigabytes. And I had to do it in a programming language called Fortran for which was written for scientific computing.
We didn’t have all these other languages, because who use computers in 1978, old white guys with little pocket protectors and with their little white lab coats. And they used a program called Fortran, which meant formula translation. And I had to do in an eight kilobytes of memory.
So I’m going to play you a video right now. Because after my stuff went to the Smithsonian and, and people didn’t believe that I created email, and I to fight it, and I was in the middle of my lawsuit, which I ended up winning. I went back to Newark, and I created a small scholarship for 14 through 18 year old kids, it’s open to everyone.
Because I believe 14 to 18 year old kids are the ones who actually, I would hire if I could a bunch of 14 to 18 year olds, but unfortunately, a lot of them are on Ritalin right now and smoking weed. You know, that’s what the educational system has done to them. It’s really sad.
But for so, you know, I was asked to convert that entire system, every feature had to be there into the electronic version. And why did I do it? I did it because I loved these women who are secretaries. I saw them be laboring, writing these memos all day hurting their fingers, you know, working day and night.
And I took all of those features. And I embodied it and 50,000 lines of computer code, 14 year old kid, I used to work until two in the morning, sometimes I slept in that lab and my mom would have to come the next morning and pick me up. Because I had to go to high school.
All right. So she’d come in five in the morning that drive me back to high school. All right.
And I wrote 50,000 lines of all of this wonderful code, which emulated every one of those features, inbox, outbox, registered mail CC BCC, every address book. And I to print an email was quite extraordinary looking back at it. And I named that system email, a term never used before in the English language.
So I as a 14 year old kid wrote the code, and I came up with the word, it was not an obvious term. In 20, sorry, 1978. I looked at the word and I said, Oh, II mall, I didn’t know what to even pronounce it, right.
And the reason I had to use five characters was the operating systems only allowed five characters. If maybe it around more, I would have called it something else. named it email, wrote the code.
And let me play you a video of a guy called Bob field, who was at that time, I think, Bob muscleman, 45 years old. He’s about 80 now, and he was one of the database guys. And so instead of me telling you this, I’m going to play this video.
Hopefully, everyone can hear it. But you’ll hear from Bob sharing, you know, his let me share this here. And I have to also share it to everyone else at home on social media.
So let me just share it also there for people. So here we go. So this is one of my colleagues, Bob field and sharing.
All right, I think I just want to check. I did the sharing right? Me stop sharing again. So I just want to check because you have to Select a key here, which says make sure the audio is on.
Okay, good. So this was in 2013, when I went back, and I started this scholarship to help other young kids, anywhere in the world, anyone can apply. So let me play Bob’s video here.
Okay, so this is Bob field. Here we go. mockable to be able to build a large system, wide system, with the women and resources that he had available for getting even the ideas, just the perseverance of the implementation of the scope of this system, on the systems that we had available nowadays, computing, programmers, they have access to gigabytes worth of memory.
We were running systems where she had to write 65,000 lines of code that ran into anywhere from seven to 11 kilobytes, that’s 1000s not mega million not billion bytes of code manually segment, the code overlays, or the thing, just from the sheer point of view of being able to do that with any program was a monumental accomplishment, forgetting aside the innovativeness of what he was actually creating, that was really an act of perseverance. For us, he did it in a language that’s dedicated to numbers, and he’s doing a text oriented program. It’s nice to remember the past.
So it’s pretty extraordinary. Okay. And I’m glad I did that video, but I hope it helps you understand.
So that’s one video I wanted to share with you. Another video is when I went back to that Medical College, Dr. Michael said you can’t hear me, John.
Hold on. Can you hear me now John? That’s weird. Okay, how about now, John? Yes.
Okay. So I don’t know if you guys heard that. So that’s Bob field.
And Bob’s. Last time I heard he was quite sick, but he’s about 80 years old. But you guys understand that this was extraordinary what I did.
I work my butt off, guys. So when these fucking people say you didn’t invent email, it’s like, Are you fucking crazy? But I never fought for that you say because I was taught just to now you have to understand when I was creating this, we let Hewlett Packard This is 1978. I was so excited.
We let anyone come see our stuff. We didn’t like, you know, what’s his face, Steve Jobs, have people sign all these things that you can’t secrecy agreements. It was quite open.
Everyone saw what we did. We ran huge seminars. Hewlett Packard was watching what I did IBM because they used to sell us equipment.
So let me play this other video from Dr. Michaelson, who was my mentor, the gentleman who actually gave me this opportunity. And it’s a I think it’s here.
Let me think it’s this one here. So let me share this screen. And I have to go here.
Let me stop this. I have to sorry, I have to go here. And I also want to share with people on stream yard.
So everyone at home has a chance to see the so I did these two videos, you know, they’re not great. Well, you know, they’re not any major production. But let me bring up this one.
So I think everyone can see it here. John, can you see it? You can see it right. All right.
So let me play this video. And this is Dr. Michaels.
And this is what I went back to share. You know, the fact that we’re starting this foundation, here we go. Why am I more and more impressed every time I listen to you? Obviously, we’re all gratified that you’re here.
We can share what was a a very, very exciting experience that started in 1977. And I remember meeting your mom. Well, actually your mom and I work in the same department.
That was our group. We were called scientific data processing. And we ran this network which we call the laboratory computer network started in about 1976.
We’re actually building real networks with check connected computers way before that was unfashionable. And it worked. I remember talking to Nina.
And she said, Shiva, I have a very smart son. And I was thinking, that’s what every mother says. They all say that they have a really smart son.
And then I learned a little more about you. And we met shortly there after. And, and I was impressed immediately with your enthusiasm and the fact that you were already a computer expert.
And, and I think I made a deal with you, I thought I could, we had a covenant. But look, I’m gonna get a project for you. I’m gonna figure out something.
And we’re going to let you be part of an adult team. You have to act like an adult, you have to return the favor. And you agreed.
And shortly thereafter, I think Livingston high, arrange for you to spend several hours a day, if you were, if you were not doing any work at home, which I know you work. It is is even more amazing. But we, I, I, I thought, I think that we had the idea early on in her office, memo system.
And what was interesting, folks, and I think that Shiva makes this point very, very well. To me, it was a challenging project, but I knew that we could do it. Others didn’t, because because maybe they were sitting in labs.
They were, they were, they were looking at things on the atomic level. But we were at the point in time, where ordinary users could use their computers, you didn’t have to be a crazy expert, because 1977 Things were moving along. Actually.
It wasn’t our job to be building electronic inter office email systems. We weren’t supposed to be supporting science. And we did.
And we did. But it was it was just so tantalizing to say, Hey, we are at the point where we can take a human process, or real human process, instead of just using it using this, this equipment to crunch numbers. We were we were at at a point where we could not not only automate an important human, not process, human business process, but But humans could use it.
And I knew we had a tool. We had a primitive network that spanned at least two campuses. If I recall, it was a T one network, 1.
5 megabit net network connectivity on campuses. We had language on processors, Fortran compiler, we had a primitive database system. We had, we had text on processors, we have all the tools, and this, this ought to work.
And, and I gave Shiva the challenge, which he accepted. And he worked with us. You remember, as a team, we had many, many design that sessions.
He was he was front and center who understood everything that was going on. And, and over time, a 14 year old kid wrote almost every piece of the code, it’s possible that I wrote something, Bob, but Bob, I’m sure wrote down something we ended up it ends up with, with about 55 or 60,000 lines of Fortran which was, which was not exactly a rich, immersive environment. primitive tools, primitive editors, and debuggers.
I believe that the design ended up with about 35 cooperating programs. This was a big system and Towards the end of the year, when we had a working model we, we, we ran a seminar in one of our big lecture theatres. And I believe there were a lot of people that are a lot of curious people who just wanted to see see about this thing, which we call email or the electronic Andrew office email system.
And we had a lecture theatre is plastered, right? There were, there were there were charts and diagrams and snippets of code across the whole room. And this stuff, 14 year old kid is on the podium, telling us all about it. So it was it was, it was a very, very interesting time.
I am, we are we are all ratified, that we, we had the opportunity. And, and I firmly believe in, in the, in the, in the thesis that innovation can occur anywhere, anytime, by anyone, if you have the right environment, again, regulations, but it was a great achievement. And we are all very, very proud.
So anyway, you heard it, if anyone is wondering about, you know, it’s I’m glad I preserved a lot of that. Those videos, but if you understand this was a real event that took place in a small medical college in Newark, New Jersey, and I don’t think I’ve shared those videos before have I crystal. But it’s important for people to understand this, that, yes, a 14 year old kid invented email.
Now I did that, in that medical school. And several years later, I won what was called one of the baby nobles. In those days, two companies Intel, and then later Westinghouse was called the Westinghouse Science Awards, you can look at it, it was considered the most prestigious Science Awards, I won one of the awards.
And it was written up in the local newspaper, New York Times in covered Boston Globe didn’t cover it, it was written up in the local newspaper. And you can look at all that. And subsequent to that.
When I came to MIT, you know, in the front page of MIT, I was, you know, accepted to MIT. That’s a whole nother story we can talk about no one even told me about MIT. There’s a lot of jealousy in the schools I went to because, you know, people like me should not be doing any of this stuff.
Right? It was only for certain kinds of people. But anyway, regardless, somehow, I made it to MIT. And I want to just share with you so all of you guys can share this with all your family and friends.
But there’s a site called inventor of email. And I had to create the site much later, 33 years later, but it’s got all the artifacts that are all here, you should all go look at it, and study it and share it with your children particularly. And if you go through this, you’ll see all the code that’s there.
You know, all the what I actually created the history of email, you’ll also understand what I had to put together all the features, you know, when I had to put this together, these are all the features of email. When I met with those secretaries I did. These are from my notes.
All these features are email emails, not the simple exchange of text messages. Okay, this is email when you log into your email, you see all these things. So I had to create all those features.
And in fact, all the code snippets are here. If you go in here, you’ll see all those code snippets. So this was a Herculean effort that I had to do many, many years later, when I was viciously attacked.
After the stuff one of the Smithsonian, I’ll talk about that. But you can see, when I first came to MIT was on the front page of MIT. You can see it right here.
You know that this? This was the official newspaper of the MIT administration. And it talked about this young kid inventing emails, right as in a newspaper called Tech Talk. But anyway, why am I sharing all of this? Because the facts of the invention of email first, I wrote all the code.
You have eyewitnesses who saw it. It’s not me making some shit up. Okay.
I did the work. Name, did email have the code. But then something more interesting happened when I came to MIT in 1981.
The president of MIT was Reagan’s science advisor, Paul Gray, and Dr. Gray had heard about my invention. I was elected student body president freshman year.
And he used to have this Christmas party at his house and I was invited. And Dr. Gray said, you know, it’s too bad that the stupid Supreme Court is not recognizing software patents.
You see, this was so early guys, people thought you could only get patents for like, you know, a brush, or, you know, physical device, like a cup, right? Or microphone that they didn’t know what software was. It’s something in the ether, right? You don’t actually see software. You know what I’m saying? Like, you don’t really see the Zoom software.
So Dr. Gray was quite upset. But he said in 1980, that computer software Act had been passed, which allowed you to use copyright law to protect software inventions.
And he told me to apply for that, which I did, didn’t have lawyers, my parents weren’t wealthy. And on August 30 1982, this way we call, you know, this email month, okay. And August 30 1982, I get issued the first US copyright for email computer program for electronic mail system.
And that’s on August 30 1982. So is there any controversy I wrote the code I by witnesses, I fucking named it email. I’ve won awards, and I have the freakin document.
There’s no controversy, the only controversy that could exist if someone wanted to fabricate it. But between 1978 to 2011, I never talked about what I did. I was very interested in fighting for people’s rights.
I was organizing protests at MIT, I organized food service workers, I wanted to understand how systems of power worked. This was interesting. Yeah, I did something pretty cool.
But I wasn’t interested in getting all the publicity and fame. I didn’t in fact, make a penny off of that. So just understand what I’m saying here.
Working people just do the work. I was so excited to be able to do this. I wasn’t thinking about making fucking money out of it.
All let me get a venture capitalist. So let me call Bill Gates, his father, and he’s going to help me no, none of that. It’s an important thing to understand that when you are innovating something, you’re not looking at making money off of it, you’re doing it because there’s this deep love of what you’re doing.
You’re creating something, the fact that I could create this was so extraordinary. Think about it, I created something that all these people used. And by the way, I had to write the manual.
And I had to do less Dr. Michael, sense of the seminars, all of that stuff. As a 14 year old kid.
Now, when I 33 years later, in 2011, my dear mom who worked in a factory had gotten pulmonary fibrosis. Because before, you know, she used to work in a factory. And then she went to get her computer science or computer programming degree.
And when she was dying in a suitcase, and I still have the suitcase right here, she had had the copyright in there, right? All my awards, all the computer code that Dr. Michaelson talked about beautifully organized. My mom was very organized, very, very frugal, but very organized.
And she presented it to me. Three months before she died, the editor of Time magazine came to my home, because a friend said, Hey, this guy invented email. And he looked at and said, Jesus Christ, this guy invented email.
And he wrote an article called The Man Who invented email, front page in Time Magazine, November 11 2011. Now interesting, you have to understand. During the 1990s, I was called Doctor email, not for the invention of email.
But because I created a technology to analyze a route email I originally did for the White House. I’ve been in email multiple worlds. In fact, it was on the front page of MIT at that time.
But this came out in time the Smithsonian calls me the Computer History Museum cause me and I didn’t know who to give it to, I decided to give to the Smithsonian. And on February 16 2012, it goes into the Smithsonian, a beautiful ceremony is held, I have some of the paperwork. And the pictures in front of the Washington Monument.
I’m signing all my work over, but the Smithsonian agreed that they would display this for all young kids because I wanted to inspire young people. And the day went into the Smithsonian the next day, a Washington Post reporter writes an article called Shiva Deray honors the inventor of email, instead of celebrating that, a racist fucking piece of shit historian at the University of Wisconsin who thought he owned the history of email, that’s how these academic nerds are. They like to own something.
He was so pissed off that that article came out. He called me all sorts of names of fraud. And he was tied like this to Raytheon, which is a $37 billion defense company who was using the app symbol on their website to say they were the inventors of email because they had some nerd who looked like a nerd and all he had done was created a caveman version of Reddit at best and they had conflated him, right.
This is what I’m called stealing credit to be the inventor of email. So in my stuff one of the Smithsonian to do to two things, which was unexpected, it reset the history of email to the truth. But it also threatened a $37 billion military industrial company, who is making money off their brand by getting cybersecurity contracts.
Because if you’re applying for government country, so we invented email, you’re likely going to get that contract. I didn’t know all of this 1000s of calls coming to MIT to say I should be fired. How dare and by the way, I was teaching a free course at MIT.
Not like Elizabeth Warren, while running my company. And I see all this nonsense taking place. I’m like, What the hell’s going on.
And that’s when I realized what was really going on was, wait a minute, I want all these awards at MIT. I’m the model minority that they use. But they have a problem because I created email before I came to MIT.
It was done in Newark, New Jersey. You see this is doesn’t compute for them. And it’s a serious problem.
Because it means you don’t have to go to fucking MIT to create something great as email. You could do it in Newark, New Jersey, with the kind of people the support I have the loving mentor, right, a loving family and people excel Oleksiak. And this is the extraordinary story here.
Just like Philo Farnsworth created TV. In Franklin, Idaho, I created TV as a 14 year old kid in Newark, New Jersey, not the military industrial academic complex, not driven by power, profit and control, which is what they’re driven by both really truth science, freedom, having all this access, and in a health in a medical school. Think about that.
If you want to talk about truth, freedom, health, email came out in the environment of truth, freedom and health. Email did not get created by a world where you’re killing people. It got created in a medical institution where people were saving people, nurses and doctors, you follow what I’m saying? They want us to believe that things come from death email came from a life saving institution.
And that is what they do not want people to cherish. And that is why when the story went in, it was such vitriol such racism such caste ism but it took me for years to fight it because I had to get my wrap my head around it because I just fight for myself. Fight for that 14 year old kid.
And then we filed a lawsuit against Gawker Media call me all these names. blogs were out there saying this curry stain Indian should be beaten and and, and no Indian stood up, by the way. Thank you about that.
If I was a Jewish kid, and someone was saying this Jews should be beaten and hanged. I’m sure there would be all sorts of defamation lawsuits. But Indians are trained to be actually white supremacists, is what the irony is.
They’re trained to be subservient to be house slaves. So when the story came out, not one Indian stood up for me. Oh, only white people innovate.
Only people go to you know, you must have done into the military industrial complex. It’s fascinating. So my own race were mainly Brahmins in the United States like this dude, Vivek, Rama, shit, Swami, whatever the hell he is.
Okay. They were the Brahmins only they get to innovate. And let me bring it back home.
Brahmins is the upper caste. You know, they call people in Boston, the Boston Brahmins like the Kennedys were called the Boston Brahmins. It’s a very interesting word.
Only the Brahmins are smart. And the rest of you are dumb. fucks.
And that’s where we’re at today. Only someone called Kennedy and only someone called Trump can run for office. How dare you try to run for office? Right.
This is a caste system we live in right now. I thought I left India, my parents said but we have a caste system in the United States. It’s worse than racism.
It’s a multiracial caste system. And but they have a serious fucking problem because I’m not dead. I am alive.
And I fought this and we won in federal court. We drove that company Gawker into bankruptcy. And all the three defamatory article saying I didn’t invent email were forcibly pulled down.
But Wikipedia is a racist fucking organization. run by a bunch of probably liberal pedophiles like many of these academics, but the problem that they have is I’m alive. I’m a fighter.
We have our movement and everyone the truth. The truth is so black and white, and people are starting right now. Wait a minute, why is there a controversy? And that controversy will lead you back to the fact they want to take away? Maps? Right, Mary Ann’s Right.
And, you know, Deanna is right, Samantha’s right, Tracy is right, and all your children’s right? That you cannot innovate, you must be ordained by them. And then you get to be a nerd, you follow what I’m saying? That’s a caste system. And that’s what we’re living in right now.
So the invention of email is a very, very powerful truth, where it took place, because it should motivate you and your children to realize innovation can occur anytime, anyplace by anybody. And this story, the truth of this is shattering the swarm and saying, fuck you. And that’s why I put inventor of email.
And that’s why I put MIT PhD because every time I put that they fucking hate me. And they hate you. Oh, why do you say inventor? No fucking invented email.
Fuck off. You have a problem with that. Because if you have a visceral problem with that, that means you don’t believe anyone can invent except the elites.
And that’s why the inventor of email. And the invention of email is very, very important. That’s why we’ve decided to say August is invention, international invention of email month, period.
And we’re going to share stories of it every day. There you go. So, next time you have a 14 1314 year old kid, for God’s sakes, support that kid, okay.
Let him do radical things. And by the way, I’ve started a very small foundation, we select eight to 10 kids innovation corpse, you can go to innovation corpse.org.
And tell your kids to apply. They get a little bit of money about 1000 bucks. I tried to do mentoring.
And there’s a lot of smart people in this world. And they’re not at MIT and Harvard. In fact, a lot of people at MIT and Harvard got there 50% of them because mom and Papa made a phone call like boobie fucking Kennedy’s parents, like Jared Kushner is fucking parents.
These people are not innovators or bloodsuckers. They’re parasites. And that’s why our run for president and our movement for truth for human health is so powerful because we’re dignifying us, we’re taking credit for us who actually do the work.
And we’re not going to bow down to these people. And our word is getting out there. In fact, in 2020, a half a billion people know about us, and that’s why they’re fucked right now.
Because everyday they make me invisible. People are wondering, wait a minute, he’s the one who fought Fauci. He’s the one who did the election system stuff.
Why are you not interviewing him? Tucker Carlson, you fucking bastard who grew up in the Swanson family empire, you little CIA dipshit. Joe Rogan, you doofus. You’re paid off by Spotify, you only cover stuff when it’s convenient for you, and you act like you’re smart.
You’re eating maggots on some fucking crazy show. And you are the one who’s deciding my future, fuck off. And that anger is coming up.
Because people are realizing, Wait a minute, this guy did all the work. And you don’t cover him. And the more they try to make our movement and us invisible, they’re more they’re we’re going to cut him with 1000 razor blades.
That’s what we’re doing. And that’s why it’s important. All of you recognize that not only does innovation occur anytime, anyplace by anybody, but every one of you is a walking nuclear bomb.
And the way you ignite that is through systems science. You have to understand the science of systems. Email was a system.
And my journey has been organized at science. So you can use this for liberating yourself. You can use it for creating email, you can use it for figuring out your body.
And that’s what truth freedom health is. It’s a movement. It’s a movement of your consciousness.
Now the issue is do you want to take Do you want to seize it? Do you want to seize the day? Do you want to learn this knowledge? Not only for you, but your families. That’s what this is about. This is about you becoming a whole human being a co creator with God.
That’s what it’s about. Truth, freedom and health. Those principles go back to ancient principles that have existed in time immemorial.
And the elites by the way, learn these principles and they use them for power profit control, Henry Kissinger knows everything of system science, but he’s an evil motherfucker. And about 10 to 20,000 Evil motherfuckers in the world are the ones who know the knowledge of systems and they manipulated for their goal power profit control. Well guess what? I used to teach this at the number one institutions and I’ve made this knowledge accessible to everyone.
So what what should you do? Number one know that I’m running for president? No, we finally have one of us. We don’t have to settle for the lesser of two evils. That’s a very brainwash thinking, Oh, well, you’re running as an independent, I’m not sure if or whether you’re when shut the fuck up.
The issue is we have to build a movement, because it is movements that have always changed the world bottoms up movements? And do you want to be part of building a movement? Or do you want to just do this lesser of two evils nonsense, because the lesser of two evils nonsense has destroyed your child’s health, where your child will have a shorter lifespan than you over the last 80 years. We’re building a movement, my running for office is to galvanize a movement. Don’t talk to me about whether independent can win or not stupid.
We don’t want to talk to you get out of our way. We want to talk to people want to build a movement? How do you do that? Well, you can start very simply go to Shiva for president.com.
Put a bumper sticker on the back windshield of your car, wherever you are any part of the world. Because you’re sending a signal, we want one of us. We’re done with you guys.
Number two, download a flyer, go hand it out, download cards. Number three, learn the science of systems. I’ve put it all out there for you can donate, I give it away back to you.
But become a truth freedom and health warrior scholar, you have to learn how to fight. And you have to learn the science. And you’re getting the best teacher on the planet because I do both.
And we have a lot of good teachers on this call. Our model is learn, teach and serve you learn it, you teach it you serve, and you will become on the level of a PhD anywhere in the world. You will be a scientist, you will be a freedom fighter.
And you’ll become a health activist all three you need all three things. So yes, the invention of email is a powerful system. But truth freedom and health is far more powerful than email, trust me.
Because it’s a system that’s going to liberate humanity. And that’s what this low caste kid who invented email who never forgot where he came from, loves his people is very, very honored to offer. And so we have a huge opportunity.
Thank you. So two people on stream yard. I hope this is valuable for all of you.
But we’re gonna go back to our town hall right now. Get involved and be the light. That’s my thing.
And remember, August is international email month. So all of you on stream yard and all the channels listening, go right now to Shiva for president.com.
Volunteer because we got to get on the ballot in every state that’s going to be the next war. And that’s what we’re going to do. We’re gonna get on the ballot in every state, and every one of you here can be part of that 20 minutes a day.
Go sign up, get a bumper sticker. Go to truth freedom health.com Thank you everyone be the light I gotta go back
